Our "new norm"

[SoonToBe]

Well, she's off for a manicure/pedicure - she says it always makes her feel sexy and horny. I never thought about it but I guess when she's with him, that's sometimes all she has on is her nail polish so I guess it makes sense.

She's already told me that I will not be having her later tonight and that while I can always watch if I wanted, she kissed me earlier this morning and said that later on tonight, that she'd like to be alone with him. She said she hoped I'd be okay with that and then she smiled and said that I can certainly have her tomorrow as Paul will likely be leaving early to get in yet another round of golf. She sounded kind of annoyed at that but I guess it's a lucky thing to even be able to be playing at this time of year.

We again have purchased a number of ski-lift tickets in advance and we're now looking at the calendar to see when we want to pencil in on the calendar. She's already told me again that this year that she'd like it if Paul could stay and maybe ski with us. She pointed out that it's a year later and that she thinks I'm getting more comfortable with everything and that with him now staying over somewhat regularly again, that it's not such a big deal if they sleep together when we're away too. When we talked she told me that it'd be nice if I could join them sometimes too for some fun when we're away but she also added that she would still want some alone time too. I admit I had some angst kinds of feelings but I also knew that she wanted me to focus on the positive and to not feel so anxious so I went with the good thoughts of the 3 of us having fun together and me maybe getting to fuck her while we're away as she had hinted so I told her that I thought it'd be a lot of fun. She really seems to be liking that I am trying to be more open minded and put my concerns behind my arousal.

i guess maybe it's something natural, I don't know, in my mind I want her to come home and feel sexy and relaxed for later - but it is kind of weird that I found myself picking stuff up around the house just a few minutes ago before I sat down here. That is a strange feeling, to not even recognize or notice that I really am leaning towards enjoying being the beta even when I don't know it. And I have to say that when I was in the bathroom putting some stuff away, that it also struck me that I saw her razor and shaving-gel in the shower and it gave me a moment to pause and think that we're going into the 2nd winter in a row now where she's keeping her pussy bare for Paul. I"m actually kind of hard wondering if she might have done a little touch up like this when she was away with him last month..... Fuck I'm hard yet again.

 

[peakmb]

Horny as you are Steve, this is no time for you to be thinking straight but here goes anyway.

I can see why the idea of going away with Paul on holiday has an attraction for both of you in its own way but I also think it has a huge downside, and one that has nothing to do with the sex. Time away like that is precious and rare and is an opportunity to relax away from the pressures of jobs and home and other things. A spiritual reconnection. Meaning of the soul not religion. I can't see any of that happening with Paul there. Your new schedule now allows so little quality extended time together for just the two of you. The kind that takes a few days to relax into not the odd night or two. At present I don't mean the sex side at all. You both seem ok with current balance there and if it ain't broke don't try and fix it, but I really think you could usefully spend the kind of time with Sue that Paul recently did away. I'm sure you'd find time to make condom love if you did but probably only as a by product of a deeper connection.

Tend the garden a little.

 

[SquirmingSub]

Steve – It is amazing the subtle changes, the little things you began to notice once you have fully embraced being the beta man within the relationship with a more alpha learning woman. While I tend to not be a fan of labels, it would seem to me that within Paul being here after a year, he has found his place within the overall relationship, he has become a Friend With Benefits to Sue, on the other forum some might even consider your current relationship more poly leaning as there seems to not only be a physical connection there also seems to be an emotional one even if limited. The time that Sue spends with Paul is no longer truly pure sexual and as a beta myself with a wife that prefers a similar type arrangement I can see were this works best for Sue and Paul and you respectively. It would seem to me that Paul has committed the core of his available time to Sue and it is understand correctly, they are sexually exclusive to each other with exception to Sue selective sexual contact with you.

As to the Ski trip (Winter Holiday), as you have mentioned in your post, Paul has become much more integrated into your relationship and has spent a good amount time with you and Sue respectively over this past year and yes it is clear that Paul has become Sue’s primary lover. It would also seem that over time you and Paul may find more things in common to make the non-sexual conversation much more fluid and easy as it would seem that he is here to stay for the foreseeable future. Enjoy the journey and the time away as the overall relationship continues to evolve.

On a side note, Peak does have a good point, it is always good to have time to connect/reconnect (emotionally, spiritually, etc) with Sue and the reconnection does not mean that you have to be having sex. The time to be together, the time to relax from the pressures of jobs, home life and other things. Time for you both to focus on each other which will not happen with Paul there, I would strongly recommend that you both set aside a some weekends throughout the year to get away if you are not already doing it. My wife and I share a regular date night “typically nonsexual” and weekend trips “typically about every-other month” which have been very good for reconnecting of sorts, just US time. So I would recommend consideration of what Peak suggested in this area.

As always, thank you for your continued shared with us and enjoy your journey.

 

[SoonToBe]

Ugh - hoped to have time to post today but have been swamped with problems at work - on a conference call as I'm typing this so have to run.
Hope to have time on Monday to share some thoughts from the weekend.

 

[SquirmingSub]

Sorry to hear that work has occupied your time today. Looking forward to your next post

 

[tegelad]

I agree with SquirmingSub; however, I would suggest that maybe the trip for the two of them be longer? E.g. if it was a long trip like 4-5 days, you would only come in for the middle part (come in late, leave early) ... or put a twist in it where you arrive first while they are at your house preparing for the trip, and then leave early to give them plenty of space ... that should help your beta feelings .... plus it would allow you to prepare/clean the house for their arrival back, and then have him stay a night or two ... you could then have it as extended play time for her....

 

[SquirmingSub]

plus it would allow you to prepare/clean the house for their arrival back, and then have him stay a night or two ... you could then have it as extended play time for her....

Tegelad – You have a very good point. If Steve was up for the challenge; it would be a great idea (a gift of sorts to Sue) for Steve to offer Sue some alone time with Paul during the ski-trip by making adjustments to his actual time there. I think your correct that it would give Sue and Paul some space and could in turn also help to enhance Steve’s beta feelings. I must say that even I like your thoughts on the topic.

 

[SoonToBe]

Sadly today has progressed like I expected, a continuation from yesterday.

I will share a quick synopsis. Paul arrived about 6:30pm on Friday night and he brought with him a ton of chinese food. He'd called before he left and we'd told him what we wanted. That coupled with a bottle or two of wine started the evening off nicely.

After dinner we sat around and talked and as the wine sank in, Sue slowly moved towards him on the couch - not sure if she even realized it. At one point we talked about going skiing together. She and I had talked ahead of time and we agreed that we would only schedule one trip with him for early in the season (January) and see how it goes with him staying and skiing with us instead of him going off with his friends for the daytime. She agreed and she said she recognized that skiing was something that she and I did together and that she wanted it to remain that way so she knew ahead of time that it would only be once or twice that he might go with us. I will say that when we talked about it she asked me how I liked it last time and I told her that it was very erotic seeing and being with them for 2 nights in a row and knowing they were having so much sex. She giggled and, as if she suddenly remembered it, she said with a sexy voice "oh yeah, I get horny when we ski.... don't I?".

They started to make out on the couch in the living room when I left them alone for a little bit and I made some noise as I returned to alert them. But even so, I could tell by her face that she was horny and that he'd likely had his hands all over her already. It was around then that I guess I remembered that she hadn't seen him in a week - so that explained their eagerness.

Sue came to me as she led Paul upstairs and told me she'd like some alone time with him and then I could come up. She patted my hard cock and reminded me that I would have some time with her on Sunday.

I went up maybe 15-20 minutes later and I seem to always walk in on them when he is going down on her. I stood there in the darkened hallway for a few minutes watching the two of them. She was sucking on his cock but not in earnest, she was too busy enjoying his tongue to care. But she did open her eyes and see me and she smiled when she saw me and that I was eagerly watching, a moment later she closed her eyes and lay back against her pillow. She left the door open to the bedroom so it was obvious she wanted me to watch.

I stayed in the doorway long enough to see them move out of the semi-69 position and for Paul to notice me and say "hey Steve" to me before he turned back to kissing and caressing Sue. It's obvious he's oblivious to me in a way. As they kissed I saw her hands on his cock and his fingers playing with her pussy and I noticed how he's become aware of what really turns her on. I moved closer as he played with her pussy and watched as he'd gently spread her pussy lips apart and how he'd just touch her gently around the edge of her swollen lips and from where I stood, I could see her pussy spasming in response and each time, more wetness would appear that he would rub all around. He rubbed at her clit like he owned it - using both fingers to pinch it gently and then making her moan loudly as he more firmly rubbed the little button. All the while though his fingers never penetrated her - he'd rub and gently touch and tease all around her vaginal opening - making it ooze wetness the whole time - but he'd never push his finger into it. He'd gently touch her butt teasing her rosebud which also made her moan deeply, but he'd then go right back to alternating between teasing her opening and all around the hood of her clit.

I know I've watched him before but this was the first time I think I really watched and felt good about it. He was able to elicit such response from her it was really beautiful. His cock was so hard that I was worried she might tear the head off it!

I could go on but obviously, not much later he moved into position and I don't think either of them remembered about me as he penetrated her for the first time. She squealed and man did my cock ache at seeing how he pushed at her a few times and then, as if it were nothing, he just pushed firmly and he popped right into her. She gasped when she felt it and her eyes opened wide at it but I don't think she saw anything.

I so wanted to jerk-off but at the same time I knew I wanted to wait until Sunday to have her. At that moment- knowing I wanted to wait for her and staying there watching, it was almost difficult to keep my mind under control and to keep myself from getting too lost and into it. I have to say that watching him begin to fuck her, watching him slowly pull his cock out of her and seeing it seem to keep coming out of her was just totally erotic - right up to hearing her moan as she must have felt the fullness when even I could see he was pulling at her as if he were going to pull out. But hearing her gasp and squeal again as he pushed into her for that second time was just beautiful. I'm not sure of how else to describe what can only be described as intense pleasure in how she sounded.

They fucked hard for a while and Paul started to talk to her about how much he'd missed her this past week and how much he needed to feel her right then. If she could have pulled her legs back any more she could have been in the circus as she gave herself to him while I watched. She'd cum several times by the time I realized that a really big one was approaching and at the same time I thought that Paul hadn't cum yet and I wondered if he knew. Sure enough, a few minutes later he kept going at her as he let out a loud moan and it was such an erotic sight - he didn't stop as he came in her and I could tell he'd cum only when the wetness on his cock clearly changed from her clear slippery wetness to the thick whitish cum that coated it after he'd let go in her.

It was much later than I'd realized when they'd finished and I'd already put some spare clothes and such in the guest-room so when they were done and it was obvious that neither were going to pay attention to me, I left them alone and went back downstairs. It wasn't more than maybe 15 minutes later that I heard the bedroom door upstairs close and then I heard the click of it being locked.

 

[peakmb]

Squirmy ..and about as likely as pork chops being served at a bar mitzvah. Don't forget the kids. How are they going to explain Sue staying there by herself and Steve leaving her that way. Plus the purpose of visiting ski resorts is to ski and nobody wants to cut that side short. But then stranger things can happen. I don't see it though.

 

[SquirmingSub]

Squirmy ..and about as likely as pork chops being served at a bar mitzvah. Don't forget the kids. How are they going to explain Sue staying there by herself and Steve leaving her that way. Plus the purpose of visiting ski resorts is to ski and nobody wants to cut that side short. But then stranger things can happen. I don't see it though.

Peak – So very true, I was simply giving some consideration to what was posted by “Tegelad”,

 

[SoonToBe]

LOL - you guys are funny, I'd skipped replying as the suggestions seemed too far fetched for me....

To conclude quickly as it's already almost 5:30pm - I spent Saturday night trying to sleep with a hard-on every time i heard noises (and I did hear them). I also knew that he would likely be leaving early on Sunday to get in another round of golf - actually I didn't blame him as the weather was really awesome yesterday and as Sue had said, having sex with her beforehand seemed to improve his golf-game! So when I heard them going at it on Sunday morning I wasn't surprised, I only wished I could have peeked in and seen them in the midst of all the blankets after having spent the night together. That image always gets to me and Sue even joked with me that sometimes she thinks it's the non-sexual stuff that gets me more worked up than the sex itself!

I heard commotion in the bathroom and then heard the shower come on. It wasn't until Paul came downstairs maybe 20 minutes later all dressed and ready to go that I realized that he actually was leaving. We talked for a bit and he said that he'd really enjoyed his night and he thanked me for being a great guy. I told him what I'd said the night before at one point, that I was comfortable with him enjoying sex like he does with Sue and that it was something I enjoyed. I had some coffee ready and he took a cup with him (we have styrofoam cups for when the kids are home) and as he was getting the last of his stuff together Sue came down from the bedroom in her bathrobe and gave him a hug and a kiss and she went down to the front door with him. I could see from the foyer above that she opened her robe for him as they kissed and his hands were visible inside it. As he turned to go she pulled the robe shut and came back up to me. She smiled and said she was going back to bed and that I should bring up a cup of coffee and come up with her. Before I could say anything, I guess it was the look on my face she giggled and opened her robe and let me see her naked beneath and she closed it and said she'd be upstairs in bed.

It was very erotic walking in and seeing her under the covers and the robe on the floor and she told me she was still all warm all over if I wanted to cuddle up with her. I jumped at the opportunity, I kicked off my lounge pants and went to get in bed. As I did she said "can we wait till later though baby, I'd just rather wait till this afternoon if you don't mind". In that instant I realized she wanted to still enjoy having been with Paul and I said a reluctant "ok". As I slid in under the covers I have to say that it felt very intensely sexual when I realized that I was lying where Paul had slept next to her in my side of the bed and it just really turned me on to be thinking about that - and I told her so. She giggled and as I pulled up close to her she reached her hand out and felt my hard cock in my boxers and she said "mmmm, I promise you can have me later baby".

She felt so warm and cuddly and she let me run my hands all over her. Her breasts felt wonderful and her nipples were so hard. She let me touch the outside of her pussy and even let me feel that she was still wet further down lower but she asked me to not penetrate her with my fingers just yet and promised that I could have her later again. I think she was really building me up and it was working.

We talked while we sipped some coffee and she told me how wonderful the sex had been with Paul and how he'd missed her and that sort of stuff. I joked that he must have had quite the load of cum for her and she giggled "that's why I want you to wait till later". As we talked and I told her that it had turned me on all night long to think about her she teased me and said "take a look if you want" and when I pulled the blanket and sheet up away from her, she turned to me and spread her legs a little and let me see that she was very wet and when her pussy opened just a little, it looked very wet inside. Before much more could happen she put her legs back together and rollled back into spooning with me. I told her honestly that it was driving me crazy to be so close to her knowing her pussy was full of his cum and that I had to wait for later to have her.

I don't know how long she tormented me in bed before I couldn't take it. I felt like a teenager as I stood there next to the bed when we were finally going to get up and my cock was sticking straight out of my boxers bobbing away. She walked over, bent down and kissed the head of my cock and said "later" after which she said it was her turn in the shower.

She teased me from that point until about 3pm when I came in from working out in the backyard to find her waiting in the living rooom for me and asking me if "my big sweaty worker is ready to have some fun with me". She knew I'd been working on moving some stuff around behind our shed and she was very appreciative since her planting/gardening stuff was always difficult to get to until I'd moved things around. So when I showered myself and came out she was lying in bed with some lingerie on and she said "how about it being our turn now?".

I was surprised that she was so amorous with me but she was and she giggled that she had liked that I'd left her alone with Paul the night before and she said "you must be ready for me by now, huh baby?" and she reached down and under the towel she felt my cock which was already stiffening as well as my heavy balls.

I'd like to take the time to recap some of the teasing but to be honest - I have to be done in a moment here and I think everyone can understand when I say that she teased me about all they'd done the night before and how she was still "wanting a little bit more". We got into bed and she encouraged me to go down on her as long as I took it gently. She was so swollen and puffy and ever so sweet and tart tasting that it was just incredible. And that led to me produdly reaching for and pulling on a condom and us both staring at just how big and hard my cock was (the condom felt very tight!) when it was finally my turn. She really encouraged me to "have what you need baby" and "I"ll be there for you" - and she sure was!!!!

 

[peakmb]

Steve,
Sounds like you should have had Maria Carey singing in the background there... also sounds like a good day was had by all on Sunday. You really are in nice space at the moment. Events can always intervene but it's going to take something significant to dislodge any of the three of you from the pile at the moment, and why would you try?

 

[SquirmingSub]

Steve,

As always, such a great post, a wonderful recap of your weekend. You and Sue have truly found that place that work best for you both as each of you have opened up to be able to share so intimately with each other even as you both include Paul in your relationship.

Sleep well, Good Night

 

[far2easy]

How much did it turn your cuck senses on when you heard the door shut and lock?! That had to be the best part. Only thing sweeter would have been having you clean up her pussy after they were done and then had you leave. Nothing better than leaving the taste of their love making on your lips while you attempt to sleep!

 

[tegelad]

My thought was the kids weren't there/involved. What I was trying to do is build the extra humiliation factor ... if kids did mysteriously pop up/into the house hold while either is away it could be explained by a work trip. If he was there and they arrived, it could be explained by having him as a friend of soontobe needing to crash. The kids if I understand are college age .... from my memory being home was the last place I was thinking about being when I was in college.

Squirmy ..and about as likely as pork chops being served at a bar mitzvah. Don't forget the kids. How are they going to explain Sue staying there by herself and Steve leaving her that way. Plus the purpose of visiting ski resorts is to ski and nobody wants to cut that side short. But then stranger things can happen. I don't see it though.

 

[SoonToBe]

What I didn't post about was that as part of our newfound openness and honesty, that Sue told me that while she really does orgasm with me and doesn't fake it, even the times I can get her to really keep going after I cum when she seems to sometimes really get off - she said that I should still know that it's not the same without her actually feeling me cum inside her. I think I surprised her when I told her that I knew that and even more when I said that it was something that turned me on, that he would give her that and I don't right now. When we talked about it she asked me about how that made me feel and I told her that it was something that really turned me on and I told her outright that only Paul cumming in her was something that made me just incredibly aroused and horny all the time. Some of this again came up in the past day or so when we had some time together and she told me she was seeing him again tonight. What I wanted to say was that as part of all of that talking she asked me if we could just accept this as part of what seems to turn us both on and not get all worked up about it and when I said yes, she asked me if she could tease me about it and how that would make me feel. I told her that we could try it at times.

I had re-read some of what I'd posted recently and I realized that this was something that was relevent because that was the first time she started to tease me that way.

Again, it's a busy morning with work but wanted to complete the earlier post and say that she teased me about "how wet I feel" and then later on when I was really getting close she started to say things about "only Paul gets to feel me bare though" and "too bad you can't really feel it". Well, that was it - wow was that it - I could probably spend quite a few sentences sharing how intense it was to hear her say that and at the same time feel her warmth all around my cock and that it just did such things in my mind that when I finally came - holy shit - it was crazy how awesome it felt. I don't know if was just feeling like we could talk openly and being all turned on by it all or what - but when I pulled out of her even I was proud of how much cum was in the condom. She pulled it off of me and she again held it in her hand and told me how warm and thick it felt and there was just no doubt from the look in her eyes about how she felt holding it in her hand like that. She pulled me to her and we kissed and hugged and she told me how much she loved me.

So - how could I be upset with her for wanting to go to him again tonight. She's not staying overnight though, says she doesn't want to tonight. And after our time on Sunday she asked me if I would like to "play with her" sometimes when she comes home from being with Paul. I told her an eager "yes" and she said that she would try to let me have some fun but she immediately added that "I'm not going to want to have sex with you" and that she liked to keep the feeling of being with Paul with her and not to be replaced by me and she also added that's why she's not really been into it in the past and she suggested that maybe I could just enjoy her but not necessarily make her cum. I joked back "yeah, like you'd ever not want that" and she giggled and said it was how she felt then, but that I was probably right.

Gotta run now - will answer Far2's and Tgelads posts later today

 

[SquirmingSub]

Steve, simply wow, another amazing post.

 

[SoonToBe]

Far2 - yes, I will surely admit that it turned me on incredibly and I am quite sure that I managed to not jerk off was part of what made Sunday so good for me. They weren't noisy at all except for just a few times when I heard one or the other cry out or moan but otherwise, it was perhaps even more erotic for me to not be hearing them in a way, it surely did make it easier to wait.

Tgelead - yes, our kids are away at school. I'll admit to a bit of arousal at the crazy idea you had but it does present a bit of an issue in actually putting it all together and such. It's a bit much to coordinate her having a business trip and then meeting me skiing without coming home and all of her gear somehow being with her already and such. But upon re-reading it, I admit to some arousal at the idea.

I will end here with the thought that I have of whether I want Paul to be aware of or a part of this new openness stuff with Sue. I am sure he already knows much of it, but I am not sure that I want it to be him participating in it. I think that maybe something I am truly feeling now that I can say I feel strongly about - it really is just Sue that I want to feel this sexual tension with and the feelings associated with it. I don't think I really want to hear Paul telling me or teasing/taunting me about him being the "only one" to have this or that with her - nor do I think Sue wants that or it likely would have happened already in some way. Its an interesting feeling to recognize now after so much time with her with other men, but again, perhaps our openness and honesty with each other is finally letting me really get into the arousal with her and I can see this now.

I'm not sure how many 55+ year old guys can say they are still learning and enjoying new things sexually but I am loving it.

 

[SoonToBe]

Well - she called about 10 minutes ago and said she was leaving work and that she'd be home later tonight but "not too late". She reminded me of leftovers in the fridge for dinner. My cock is hard already - I swear I could cum and cum and cum sometimes.

 

[peakmb]

Steve,
The analogy of leftovers in the fridge for your dinner is priceless. I just hope they were suitably wrapped in plastic film!

I'm sure she had steak with all the trimmings...

By the way I share your unease about Paul joining in with the teasing. However much you and Sue trust him, with Sue you are always sure her love is behind whatever she says, it's part of why it works. You can endure the pain in a safe way. With Paul you could never be sure, plus he doesn't and couldn't know enough not to cross over the line into real pain sometimes. It would be the beginning of the end for him as Sue would never forgive him or herself for a while for allowing it. Of course the goblins will urge you on, deeper into their own fantasies but ignore the siren calls. Some things when lost can never be recovered fully and trust is one of them.