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Our "new norm"

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  • #261
Ok.. Would you be comfortable with one years denial? Two years? Five years? I know you have not assigned a time frame, but think about what you would be able to bear? Would she be able to reconnect with you after so long?
 
  • #262
Raks, really the only thing we are foregoing is frequency and that I am likely not going to be cumming in her in the future.

We still have very meaningful and intense sex that is connecting and satisfying for both of us, I think feeling and having her cum as she does after fucking if I still stay hard even with the condom on these last few times has made me feel better about going forward with all of this too. I think that when the time comes (very punny) that I am confident things will still work as they are supposed to between us.

I know a lot of people read a lot more into this, but I can't help what's in my heart for her as well as what we talk about to each other where I still, perhapse thorugh rose colored glasses, see tihngs as good between us.

To answer your question, as long as this feels as good as it does - and I cannot explain that any more than to say that I openly love using condoms with her now and love the dimension it adds to our sex together - what it means and symbolizes sexually, how it makes me feel inside both during and after, and yes, how it so fuels my cuckold feelings by yes - denying the most intimate moment with her and giving it to Paul - yes, if it still feels like this, then I don't know that I have an end-date in mind other than perhaps to say it aligns more with when and how things change with Paul.
 
  • #263
I don't believe that Paul recognized he was giving up his potential overnight with Sue when he went golfing yesterday but she's sure to remind him of that tonight! Right about now he's surely regretting his decision. LOL.

I've been thinking about Raks' question a bit more before I run out to get some dinner I thought I would post here that - for right now, it just feels right to me that I not cum in her. She has mentioned my decision around wanting to be the beta for her and does continue to mention that to me as her other motivations - not as punishment, but when she's been able to express it, I feel it's more of "this is what YOU want". For whatever reason I feel very satisfied right now - both sexually and mentally at what we are doing.
 
  • #264
Steve, self examination from viewpoints on both sides of the spectrum is a good thing, akin, to "checking the oil" )

Regards
 
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Steve,
Thanks once again for answering my questions as much as you do. Just to clarify, I never did say that Paul had suggested Sue's recent offering every other week. That was clearly Sue in direct response to your expressed concerns about her not seeming to 'want you' as much or at all recently. It is clear that Paul is remaining passive and in no way controlling events either with you or it seems, with Sue even. I can't see this changing in the future either. Sue would only take up even a suggestion if was something she herself really wanted also, and if it was something significant she would still be likely to at least run it by you first too.

My concern was really that Sue is subtly controlling things so that the current status quo continues pretty much unchanged. As you and her are both happy with it, this clearly is not a problem. Indeed it is a huge benefit for both of you that Sue is being so skilful. That you see this continuance as a less controlled event doesn't really matter. As the beta you have happily ceded the control of your sex life at least in any case.

My only concern remains one that you are now saying you are fully aware of. What happens when you want to roll things back a bit but Sue wants to stay as you are or even go further in the future? As you have said, if this happens, you will do as ever and negotiate. Just be careful. I do this with my wife. We talk, we discuss, we negotiate and then we do what she wants ... Or perhaps it just seems like that!

I can understand your current desire to maintain your edge by continuing your bareback denial through key dates and for some time to come. After a while the elapsed time itself becomes an excitement in itself, each day a new record, something that would be destroyed by just one break.. Sue herself is also saying this same denial is also exciting her, maybe leading to a greater high with Paul as a result. The problem which may come (sorry) is that there is no compromise between maintaining the record and breaking it. You can't use half a condom. Like you I can't see anything satisfactory in insisting at some future date on one bareback session if Sue didn't herself also really want to do it. After all this time, it would be a pyrrhic victory indeed. Personally, I think the event will finally be generated by Sue. Not yet of course, maybe not for some time, but I think eventually she will look at Paul, look at you, and decide that she wants to fully experience you once more. When that day comes (sorry again), I don't think you will seriously try to stop her, do you?
 
  • #266
Steve, just wondering if you or you and Sue have thought or talked about taking you beta / denial to the next step? Which would be short term (example, for 2 months) full denial for you and Paul/Sue being exclusive.
 
  • #267
Peak - in answer to your last question, it would be no - I wouldn't stop her at that point. And you are correct, likely at that point, it'll be something that she decides, perhaps influenced by others but likely as you say it, that things will perhaps have run their course.

She came home, finally, about 10pm last night and again it was pretty obvious that she had needed to see him. I think that's what Ive started to notice too, that when she has a certain expectation about when she'll see him and their plans get changed at the last minute, it's interesting to see how she is when that happens. Annoyed was one word but it was obvious that she had really wanted to see him (it had been a while) and only seeing her come in last night did I realize that what I was seeing as annoyed was also her being horny.

Our kids are due home this evening for the weekend but Sue did say we'd have some time for us over the weekend. So maybe things are already working their way out in terms of changes between us.

I'm sure I'll have more thoughts later - it's been a busy morning.

Pnis - yeah - we've talked and we've done this before - it's something that I think she may want to do or experience every now and then, but it's not something we are actively planning.
 
  • #268
Steve - Thank you for your continued updates. While some have more concerns then others do, it would seem that we all continue to enjoy following your post and look forward to reading more about your journey.
 
  • #269
Steve,

Thanks again for your reply. I hope you have a great weekend with the family and that Sue makes it memorable for you too.
 
  • #270
Well, after the kids left last night Sue came to me and said she was horny and hoped we could have some fun together. Needless to say, I was at the ready. But I'm jumping ahead and wanted to say that we had some of our same discussions again where she really thinks I should calm down and relax and just let things happen and that there's not always more to what she's thinking or what is going on. And this is HER saying that.

What she started with was simply coming out and asking me "do you really like it that Paul cums inside me and you don't?". And when I said yes, she went into this long discussion about how she thinks I still feel too anxious and how I seem like I am over-analyzing things all the time when I should just relax about it. She told me again how she thinks it's okay and even a bit romantic that I really like what we're doing and that again she doesn't think I should feel all up-tight about it and she even commented that Paul doesn't think anything of it either. We talked and she asked me again in continuing our conversations from last weekend about whether it turned me on that I don't get to cum in her and she told me that I shouldn't worry about over-thinking it about when we'll go back to not using condoms. I admitted to her that I get hung up too much on thinking about the future and what-if's. She held my hands and said that as long as it's something that we are both enjoying that we should just both enjoy it and not get up tight about it. I told her again that it scared me a little that she was liking this so much and she giggled and said "and what about you? you enjoy it too!". I tried to tell her it was different but as soon as I started talking I realized that I wasn't making any sense, the more I tried to say "but your my wife" the more I realized I wasn't arguing against her and that the same things that turned me on - also turned her on -and as she said "there isn't anything more baby".

It wasn't all of a sudden or anything that the conversation turned, but it was obvious that as we talked more she started to tell me again how wonderful she felt having sex with him and that just as it turned me on to think about only Paul cumming in her, that it's the same arousal she feels thinking about it too. She teased me about how wet he leaves her and how she loves to feel it when he cums in her and slowly I really started to get into it too. Thing is, it was like she said, the less I felt self-conscious, the better it felt. We were 69-ing and she was sucking at the tip of my cock while she stroked it with her hands and I was licking away at her. She teased me that there was nothing from Paul in her and told me that from how much pre-cum she was licking from my cock, that she thought I needed to let myself go and enjoy it without worrying. "If it turns you on to think about it, then just do it baby.... I love you and I'll be here for you...."

We moved around and I began kissing her and I think we both felt real desire for each other. She told me she was horny because she hadn't seen Paul as much as she normally would have liked to and that she wanted me to very much make love to and with her. I was fingering her and she was already quite wet. It seemed like old times, so natural and easy for us as she lay back and spread her legs and I knelt above her and I loved the moment - knowing this time she wanted me. And I surprised her - when I nudged her knees back and I began to probe her pussy she reached down and felt between her legs and felt my cock and the look on her face when she felt that I already had a condom on was just priceless. She hadn't even seen me take one or put it on. This broad smile came over her and a moment later she relaxed and let me press into her. She was very wet and we soon let our passions take over and I have to say, we really got into a good rhythm. We rolled over at one point and she crouched over me and let me watch her as she rubbed the head of my rubber covered cock against her spread pussy. and then in just about one slow move, she slid herself down onto my cock and we both moaned at that.

But no matter what, the reality is that we both prefer the missionary position. And as we got into a comfortable rhythm, her teasing, or rather, talking to me resumed. She must have felt my cock start to throb when she asked me if I thought she felt any different inside. I moaned back that all I knew was that she felt looser. She giggled and said for me to enjoy it. I'd like to say that there was more but the entire conversation had gotten to me and it just felt so good to be sawing in and out of her. She must have known I was going to cum soon because I felt her shift her body and pull her knees back for me like she always used to. Wow did that open her up and really sent me over the edge. I plunged into her a bit more and then couldn't hold back any more and let loose. I stayed hard and kept on fucking her and again, didn't she continue moaning away and I felt her pussy getting wetter and wetter and I just kept up at it - until a few moments later she burst out in a scream that surely the neighbors would have heard and she wrapped her legs around my back and pulled me hard into her as she spasmed wildly beneath me. I felt a gush of wetness in her pussy that I quickly realized would have likely been a huge squirt of hers!!!! She finally stopped thrashing around when my cock shrunk and slipped out of her when she coughed.

We lay together and held each other and she kissed me and asked me if that was good and when I said it was amazing, she just said, see, just relax and let it happen as it happens baby. As she slid the condom off my softened cock she smiled and told me how nice a surprise it was to feel it already on and how she liked not having to think about it and she thanked me. She even surprised me by taking my softened cock into her mouth and sucking it clean - of course she kissed me right afterwards. As we caught our breath she picked up the condom and tied a knot in it and then held it in her hand and again told me how warm it felt and she then giggled and patted her pussy and said "see, no mess... from you at least...." and she then kissed me again and said "just relax about it baby and lets have some fun with it, okay?".

So - her plan is to spend Wednesday night at Pauls this week. It turns out we may head up to Massachusetts and go to a halloween party that a friend of ours from college is throwing....

gotta run.
 
  • #271
Steve - sounds like a good re-connection with open & honest communication. :) Enjoy the journey.
 
  • #272
Steve,
It may just be my perception but it seems to me that Sue has been more sexually interactive with you since she got back from her weekend away compared to the period before. Maybe she enjoyed and is grateful, maybe she is still responding to your minor disquiet after it. Maybe it represented the high water mark of her time with Paul and is now pulling back a little. After her missed opportunity last week I was certainly expecting her to spend multiple night with him this week to catch up and help get back to the heights she enjoyed. Not so it seems. Just wondered if you think there is any perceptible difference?
 
  • #273
It would seem that Steve and Sue may have found a comfortable and exciting place within the relationship, each able to be very open and honest about who they are sexually at this point in there relationship together. Also seems that this past year has been an eye opener for them and it would seem that Paul has been a good fit for them. I for one has enjoyed following Steve post as he/they have transitioned or shall I say evolved over the years. Looking forward to reading more as this year continues, it may almost be time for a new thread with consideration to the direction the relationship has taken.
 
  • #274
Thanks for the update Steve. It sounds like you had a great conversation that should relieve some of your angst. I think Sue has the best advice - Just relax and enjoy!!

Peak, I expected the same after Sue missed her opportunity. But I seem to recall that Sue used to do the same after going away with lovers - ease off time with them to make sure Steve is okay and their relationship is okay. I say Steve has a great wife!
 
  • #275
Well, she was quite happy to let me help her pick out some lingerie for tonight and she has continued to coax me and said several times that "it's okay if this turns you on" and then said that she loves seeing this side of me that lets myself enjoy even more of what she's doing. She looked at me when she held up a skimpy pair of leopard panties and asked me if I thought about how wet they'll be later tonight!

I have to say that it feels better letting myself get into it more with her including my telling her that I will surely be jerking off tonight while thinking about her - and she asked me "what are you going to think about" and I told her what I always tell her "you cumming with him". She blushed a bit at that and then told me she loved me and kissed and hugged me.

So, it's a rainy evening and that always makes her horny with a glass of red wine, so that's my thoughts for the evenings. As she said, is it so wrong to enjoy this?
 
  • #276
Not wrong at all Steve. Enjoy your night. I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking about you both.

Like you, I probably get off more thinking about Sue though...
 
  • #277
Steve there is nothing wrong at all with how your feeling, as Peak stated and I have said previously, you should always enjoy yourself, as I am sure Sue has been enjoying herself. This is a beta/cuckold dream and your living it.
 
  • #278
I suppose it'll be soon time to start a new thread, this one is getting a bit long, but at the same time, it's sort of befitting as I think, at least for now, things are settling in.

I was still horny when she came home after work yesterday after spending the night at Pauls. I wish I could explain how turned on I feel when she came in yesterday. Knowing she looked different, her hair was a little different, her clothes weren't the same - I just found it so arousing. I kissed her quite passionately when she came in and she was a little surprised and asked me what was up. I went for it. I told her that in her new way she wants me to look at things, as I stood there for a moment thinking about what to say - I said just what I wrote here. I told her how it turned me on to see her come in looking as she did and added that it was the same feeling when she came in looking very different after being away with him. I don't think she was ready for my honesty as she blushed a bit and she said that she loved hearing that from me and asked me if I'd always felt this way.

We talked for a bit and as we hugged she could feel my hard-cock and she smiled and said 'you weren't kidding". I took her bag from her and we went upstairs. We had already agreed that we'd go out to dinner, just pizza or chinese, something easy so there wasn't any rush. in the bedroom she as she started to take her stuff out of her bag she looked at me and I told her she looked beautiful and she giggled and held up those leopard panties and said "did you remember about these" and when I nodded yes she smiled and tossed them in the laundry basket. After she finished with her bag she turned and let me watch her get undressed.

I love watching her undress. So many buttons and snaps and clasps before her sexiness is revealed. Last night was no different and I loved watching her in the mirror as she took off her bra and then pulled on a loose t-shirt. Her pants followed next and she looked up as she stood there in just her t-shirt and panties and she turned to me and said "are you going to leave me alone, I want to change these too...." - and she had a smile on her face as she said that and then she added "...or are you going to want to lick me or something like that?"...." It was my turn to be surprised as she turned and walked over to me and stood in front of me and said "you can take them off of me".

I think my hands were shaking as I put my fingers in the waistband and began to slowly take them off her. She looked down at me now sitting on the edge of the bed enjoying this moment and she said "we're not having sex tonight though baby, I hope that's okay....".

Oh my god - I cannot tell you how wonderful it was to hear her say that to me so comfortably and so casually. What I did next may surprise everyone who's reading this, it surprised me when I did it. I stood up and I put my hand on the front of her panties so I could feel her warmth through them and I told her "I love hearing you tell me that" and I kissed her. She looked at me almost like I had 2 heads for a moment until I told her that "it turns me on so much that you know what you want and when... and who.... you want it with... I love that you can tell me how you feel". and I kissed her again and before I sat back down she hugged me and told me she loved me.

When I sat bac down she let me continue and I have to say - it's been a long time since I had that "first date" feeling and this was it again. I loved it as I again put my fingers into her silky panties and started again to pull them down. So exciting to see her bare-skin come into view knowing that she's still shaved bare after all this time.

It's the longest she's ever kept it bare now, over a year and she even went to her ob/gyn for the first time shaved bare - in the past she'd always let it grow in for a few weeks before but not this time!

And yes, a moment later I slid them down to reveal the top of her pussy - the little cleft at the top and I felt my cock get so hard as a million thoughts went through my mind including one of her pulling these same panties up as she got dressed with him that morning! Thing was - it was crazy - but I glanced up at her and I told her that it felt good that I could talk to her more openly and then I told her just that - about that thought - as I slid them the rest of the way down. I think if my cock was out and not constrained in my jeans, that I could have maybe cum just from the sexiness of the moment.

I cannot tell you how good it felt to say that to her and to let her feel and see how it turned me on. She stepped out of them and sat next to me on the bed now with just her t-shirt on and she looked at me and said that she loved me talking to her like that and she kissed me and then said "do you want to take a closer look?" with this sexy voice. When I nodded she just lay back on the bed next to me and raised her knees and turned herself towards me and then she said "just watch for a second". And with that she took both her hands and started to massage herself all over. One hand tweaked and caressed her breasts leaving her nipples so visible through her shirt. The other snaked between her thighs and she let me see them as they slid down and covered her pussy as she gently spread her legs. She teased me and said "do you want to see it?" and when I nodded yes she did that thing with her finger where she motioned me to move closer. As I did she moved both hands to between her legs and then moved them up to either side of her pussy and began to pull it open just a little. I could almost hear the slick sound of them being pulled apart and she knew that I'd see she was wet and glistening inside.

I wish I could say more about the next few moments last night but the next thing I knew I was running my tongue up between her tender pussy lips and wondering in my head "was that cum I just tasted?". The more I licked and certainly when she came (yes, she orgasmed several times with her hand on the back of my head making it clear what she wanted), I could taste the more obvious tang of semen but mixed with her own sweetness, it was just wonderful.

We'd moved around and by this point I was kneeling at the edge of the bed and she was lying so close. As I licked at her I slid my pants and boxers down and for the first time in a long time, I jerked off while I licked away at her. I hadn't really done that in what felt like ages only last night it felt just right. In between licking and breathing I looked up at her and told her how beautiful she looked and I have to say, it did feel good just saying what was on my mind instead of overthinking it so I just said it " I love thinking about you fucking him last night " and she got up on her elbows and said "mmmm... and again this morning...." and then lay back down and let me enjoy that thought. I'm sure it was in my head but I swore she seemed even wetter and tastier right after that. It was only after she came for I guess the 3rd pretty nice orgasm that while I stayed gently licking her swollen opening that I let my thoughts go and I got into jerking off. I guess I must have stopped licking her at one point because the next thing I realized I was kneeling back away from the bed and she was sitting up watching me as I came all over my hands, my clothes and some on the floor in front of me and the side of the bed. I hadn't really realized she was watching until she squealed "oooh that is sooo nice...." as I came and I looked up at her. She smiled and said she loved me and that seeing me doing that really made her feel so good that she really knew I was turned on.

We talked more but nothing of terrible import and after dinner, with our sexual tensions aside, we snuggled up in bed and caught up on NCIS episodes on Tivo while we cuddled up under the covers.

The plan is for him to come here tomorrow but not spend the night. I'm still a bit unclear on her proposed schedule with me on Wednesday but hoping it'll resume next week.
 
  • #279
Steve,

Thank you for the update. It sounds like a great reunion with Sue. Your descriptions are so good I sometimes feel like I am there. It´s great that you have embraced your dynamic with Sue and Paul. Enjoy it to the max and keep us updated.
 
  • #280
Knk - not sure if I've shared this thought here but I think that after Robert and now Paul who have both been quite mellow in their attitudes of just enjoying sex with Sue and not caring about or trying to influence her, that I have the feeling that I am finally relaxing about everything sexual and I wonder if perhaps the sense of connection and trust I feel from her is also enhancing that. It feels weird to say that even with the denial, that I am very much loving what we are doing and the sense of freeing her to enjoy him sexually is really amazing to feel.
 
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