Do you get the same satisfaction and feeling jerking off for her while cleaning her pussy as you do when you fuck her? like a sense of fulfillment? If so then why not just continue with that and tell her? You both seem to really enjoy it. Then she wouldn't have to even tell you or question you about having or not having sex.
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Far2 - no - I can't say that - fucking her even with a condom on is still far better than jerking off. I accept that she may not want it at times and then yes, jerking off is quite intense with the added mental arousal of her intentional denial as was the case last night. But even for all our denial play and desires, I think the reality is that every 2 weeks or so if not more often, I think we both feel a little physical connection is needed.
Steve,
That is a good point you bring out about the sense of connection with her. You two have a strong emotional connection, as well as a mutual enjoyment of your individual kinks that mesh together well. You are both giving the other a gift of love - the enjoyment of your individual sexual pleasures. That act of loving probably enhances your connection.
It is good that Paul, and Robert before, is not trying to break that connection so you can relax and enjoy it. I hope it continues for as long as you like it.
I think you gift of
That is a good point you bring out about the sense of connection with her. You two have a strong emotional connection, as well as a mutual enjoyment of your individual kinks that mesh together well. You are both giving the other a gift of love - the enjoyment of your individual sexual pleasures. That act of loving probably enhances your connection.
It is good that Paul, and Robert before, is not trying to break that connection so you can relax and enjoy it. I hope it continues for as long as you like it.
I think you gift of
Steve,
It seems clear that you couldn't answer Far2's question in a single way and your narration over the years supports your answer. At some times currently you do find as much satisfaction in handling yourself in the full knowledge that Sue is being very well catered to, but not all the time. Some times it is clear that you need Sue to want you enough to reconnect, but with her playing the Alpha to your Beta, you do need it to be that way round. It would be a real turnabout, and maybe a big warning signal to you both if it were you initiating and Sue acquiescing at the moment.
In the meantime it looks like more normal service (so to speak) is being resumed with Sue seeing Paul twice this week before your scheduled session next week. That will be your first fully timetabled connection in your new routine in that it will occur on a given date and perhaps at a time when you might just not be fully in the mood or spontaneous as it were. For you any connection will probably be enough to get you up for it (pun intended) but for Sue, it might just be a bit more difficult on the day. She will have had a lot of good sex before it and more scheduled closely after it too. Guaranteeing her mood on the day might just be trickier.
Anyway, enjoy Halloween. I hope nothing happens to scare you on the night. Will it still be better than the party up north you were intending to attend?
It seems clear that you couldn't answer Far2's question in a single way and your narration over the years supports your answer. At some times currently you do find as much satisfaction in handling yourself in the full knowledge that Sue is being very well catered to, but not all the time. Some times it is clear that you need Sue to want you enough to reconnect, but with her playing the Alpha to your Beta, you do need it to be that way round. It would be a real turnabout, and maybe a big warning signal to you both if it were you initiating and Sue acquiescing at the moment.
In the meantime it looks like more normal service (so to speak) is being resumed with Sue seeing Paul twice this week before your scheduled session next week. That will be your first fully timetabled connection in your new routine in that it will occur on a given date and perhaps at a time when you might just not be fully in the mood or spontaneous as it were. For you any connection will probably be enough to get you up for it (pun intended) but for Sue, it might just be a bit more difficult on the day. She will have had a lot of good sex before it and more scheduled closely after it too. Guaranteeing her mood on the day might just be trickier.
Anyway, enjoy Halloween. I hope nothing happens to scare you on the night. Will it still be better than the party up north you were intending to attend?
Peak - you are correct, the answer to Far2's question is much more situational than anything - what feels good one time may not be the same the next, etc. You are very correct in how you phrased the end of your first paragraph. And I agree that the proposed fixed-schedules may also not lend themselves to spontaneity. This past weekend is a good example.
I don't have a lot of time right now to add more - but this weekend was a good example of what you are saying about spontaneity and surprises. I thought that perhaps we'd close down the candy for the trick-or-treaters and that I'd have some time to maybe join them once Paul got here, but she surprised me and asked me (well, more told me) whether they could be alone and she looked at me and said that we wouldn't be having sex that night - but she told me that if I took good care of the trick-or-treaters, that we'd have some time on Sunday (yesterday).
I joked with her afterwards that her screams and moans at times sounded like Halloween sounds. Once I knew they wanted to be alone I gave them their space and kept busy. Paul and I only talked for a few minutes and it was mainly generalities. I have a feeling that unless we see each other and interact more, that its' going to remain semi-awkward between us in short situations like this. I am however reaching the point where I think I may need to open things up with him a bit more. I am continuing to be surprised at how enjoyable it is with Sue by taking it more as something we should enjoy together more and not feel anxious about. But for now, it was pleasantries and generalities along with a bit of innuendo when I told him that she'd be down soon and that she was getting ready for him.
It was equally quick when he left and I went up to find the bedroom door now open. The smell of sex permeated the room. Sex and sweat. His but definitely hers too - an almost sweet smell beneath it all. She was braless but had pulled panties on before I came in and we had some time together. Her breasts were so warm still and they were still flushed from her excitement. We kissed and she told me that they'd been at it almost the whole time. We spooned and hugged and as I lay next to her I knew she could feel how hard my cock was but I also knew she didn't want it and wouldn't be paying attention to it at all. It was another clear point where my relaxing about it instead of focusing on it really made them moment just so nice. I told her that it really turned me on and that I loved holding her like I was and at the same time know that Paul had cum in her not too long before. She snuggled back and said "twice". I'm quite sure she felt my cock throb but I knew that moment wasn't for me, it was just more of her night with him and instead, I hugged her back and I told her honestly that I was glad she'd had that with him. I didn't share the more explicit thought of her wet pussy lips being just 2 thin layers of fabric away from me..... I mean I knew I was horny and I would have loved to have fucked her right then, but at the same time, it just felt good to go with it and to know that the next day she'd be hopefully making it good for me. I can't explain how it felt but it felt good to be horny for her.
It wasn't till last night that she told me she loved how I was with her the night before. We kissed and I can honestly say I felt her desire for me without a doubt - and I think really, the way I was with her on Saturday night really did help things. She told me how she liked being alone with Paul and reminded me that it's the first time she'd done so in a long time - until I reminded her he'd spent the night here several times alone with her - but I knew what she meant. I told her that in some ways I really liked coming up to her when he'd left and finding her in bed looking and feeling so beautiful. She blushed a bit until I told her that I loved finding her like that, so vulnerable and still feeling so intimate and warm all over. As we kissed and I ran my hands all over her I told her that it turned me on to know how she was when we were together the night before and that she'd been with him just before. There was no doubt of how she felt with me at that moment, she wanted me and it felt really nice. She stroked my cock as I played with her body and as we moved into a 69 during foreplay she told me how she could taste the precum each time she'd suck my cock and I told her that I could still taste Paul's cum in her pussy which made her moan.
It felt really good to just do what she'd said, enjoy it and not feel so uptight about it. When we moved back into the missionary position I told her that she was still wet from him and that it'll be a great lubricant for me. She smiled and moaned and told me she loved me as I got ready to have her myself. Again - as if by instinct she reached down and felt my cock and she looked at me and said "wow, I never saw you put it on" referring to the condom. I told her that I opened it before and took it out of the package so all I had to do was quickly roll it on. As I rubbed my covered cock up and down her pussy slit I told her that I was already hard. She got up on her elbows and looked at my cock through the sort of translucent polyurethane and she said that she loved that I was doing this for her. As I rubbed it around her now opening hole I told her that it was for me too that I was doing it and I looked at her and I told her honestly that ".... it just turns me on that I don't get to feel you...." and with that I pushed partway into her. That wasn't true, I do feel her - just not bare - and in that moment last night when I told her honestly that it was for me, my god did it feel so good to admit it.
The polyurethane condoms are very good at letting me feel her, but we both know that it's not bare-skin. I cannot tell you how swollen and hard I was as she looked down at my covered cock pushing into her. My god I surely would have loved to have felt her slickness against my cock but at the same time, I simply can't find the words to describe how turned on I was at not feeling that. She was pretty well lubricated and once I was in her, I slid in pretty much effortlessly with just her moaning to "go slower" the only thing I heard. At half-way in her she pushed her hand out and stopped me and said she needed a minute and that "You feel huge to me baby". Maybe it's the new state I feel with her, not sure or whether it was just in our minds - but I too thought I felt huge in her.
The rest is as you well know it. She did tease me by asking me again "does it feel any different in there baby?" "you know, Paul's shaped different than you...". Only this time my answers were maybe a bit more open myself when I told her "you do feel more roomy baby" and "he's stretching you out inside" as my answers. I'm sure she had her own thoughts in her head, she responded quite beautifully as we got more and more into it with her thrusting herself upward at me to take me in even deeper until finally she came hard and almost immediately afterwards, I let go with my own dose of pleasure". She squealed and her eyes opened a bit wide as I finally came in her - at first I thought maybe the condom had broken or something based on her eyes and face. We lay there afterwards until she felt me softening and she reached down to hold the condom in place while she slid my now soft cock out of her pussy. We'd both cum pretty hard and I had sort of figured from the start she wasn't going to be into being pounded into afterwards to have her own huge orgasm. It was pretty funny when she pulled up her hand from between us with the condom in her hand in an almost triumphant stance!
I'd like to say that things ended at that point but when she held the condom in her hand and she felt how warm and how it felt sort of thicker and not as runny (at least not yet) she told me again how incredible it was to her that she held it in her hand and her eyes even fluttered a bit when she told me how erotic it felt to "hold my husband's cum in my hand" with the obvious implication of it not being elsewhere. I looked at her and I told her what I was thinking - I told her that it turned me on like crazy to know that I haven't cum in her except for those few times this year. It was a really close moment, we were naked and kissing and hugging in bed and she told me that it really turned her on too. I told her what I'd said here, that there were so many times I so wanted her, but that this moment where we were together and being so open and honest with each other, I told her that it felt good for me to not cum in her and that while I really did miss it, that at the same time sharing a moment like we were and from how I felt (harkening back to Far2's question) I told her that what I had in terms of pleasure and satisfaction and love for her far outweighed the tiny increased pleasure, and I held her hand with the condom in it and said "that leaving this inside you would have given me". As we kissed I told her that I loved what we were doing.
So, that's it. Will she be horny for me on Wednesday as she's planning before Paul will come here this coming weekend? I don't know. Even she's confused at times about when she thought it would be better to have sex with me. LOL.
I don't have a lot of time right now to add more - but this weekend was a good example of what you are saying about spontaneity and surprises. I thought that perhaps we'd close down the candy for the trick-or-treaters and that I'd have some time to maybe join them once Paul got here, but she surprised me and asked me (well, more told me) whether they could be alone and she looked at me and said that we wouldn't be having sex that night - but she told me that if I took good care of the trick-or-treaters, that we'd have some time on Sunday (yesterday).
I joked with her afterwards that her screams and moans at times sounded like Halloween sounds. Once I knew they wanted to be alone I gave them their space and kept busy. Paul and I only talked for a few minutes and it was mainly generalities. I have a feeling that unless we see each other and interact more, that its' going to remain semi-awkward between us in short situations like this. I am however reaching the point where I think I may need to open things up with him a bit more. I am continuing to be surprised at how enjoyable it is with Sue by taking it more as something we should enjoy together more and not feel anxious about. But for now, it was pleasantries and generalities along with a bit of innuendo when I told him that she'd be down soon and that she was getting ready for him.
It was equally quick when he left and I went up to find the bedroom door now open. The smell of sex permeated the room. Sex and sweat. His but definitely hers too - an almost sweet smell beneath it all. She was braless but had pulled panties on before I came in and we had some time together. Her breasts were so warm still and they were still flushed from her excitement. We kissed and she told me that they'd been at it almost the whole time. We spooned and hugged and as I lay next to her I knew she could feel how hard my cock was but I also knew she didn't want it and wouldn't be paying attention to it at all. It was another clear point where my relaxing about it instead of focusing on it really made them moment just so nice. I told her that it really turned me on and that I loved holding her like I was and at the same time know that Paul had cum in her not too long before. She snuggled back and said "twice". I'm quite sure she felt my cock throb but I knew that moment wasn't for me, it was just more of her night with him and instead, I hugged her back and I told her honestly that I was glad she'd had that with him. I didn't share the more explicit thought of her wet pussy lips being just 2 thin layers of fabric away from me..... I mean I knew I was horny and I would have loved to have fucked her right then, but at the same time, it just felt good to go with it and to know that the next day she'd be hopefully making it good for me. I can't explain how it felt but it felt good to be horny for her.
It wasn't till last night that she told me she loved how I was with her the night before. We kissed and I can honestly say I felt her desire for me without a doubt - and I think really, the way I was with her on Saturday night really did help things. She told me how she liked being alone with Paul and reminded me that it's the first time she'd done so in a long time - until I reminded her he'd spent the night here several times alone with her - but I knew what she meant. I told her that in some ways I really liked coming up to her when he'd left and finding her in bed looking and feeling so beautiful. She blushed a bit until I told her that I loved finding her like that, so vulnerable and still feeling so intimate and warm all over. As we kissed and I ran my hands all over her I told her that it turned me on to know how she was when we were together the night before and that she'd been with him just before. There was no doubt of how she felt with me at that moment, she wanted me and it felt really nice. She stroked my cock as I played with her body and as we moved into a 69 during foreplay she told me how she could taste the precum each time she'd suck my cock and I told her that I could still taste Paul's cum in her pussy which made her moan.
It felt really good to just do what she'd said, enjoy it and not feel so uptight about it. When we moved back into the missionary position I told her that she was still wet from him and that it'll be a great lubricant for me. She smiled and moaned and told me she loved me as I got ready to have her myself. Again - as if by instinct she reached down and felt my cock and she looked at me and said "wow, I never saw you put it on" referring to the condom. I told her that I opened it before and took it out of the package so all I had to do was quickly roll it on. As I rubbed my covered cock up and down her pussy slit I told her that I was already hard. She got up on her elbows and looked at my cock through the sort of translucent polyurethane and she said that she loved that I was doing this for her. As I rubbed it around her now opening hole I told her that it was for me too that I was doing it and I looked at her and I told her honestly that ".... it just turns me on that I don't get to feel you...." and with that I pushed partway into her. That wasn't true, I do feel her - just not bare - and in that moment last night when I told her honestly that it was for me, my god did it feel so good to admit it.
The polyurethane condoms are very good at letting me feel her, but we both know that it's not bare-skin. I cannot tell you how swollen and hard I was as she looked down at my covered cock pushing into her. My god I surely would have loved to have felt her slickness against my cock but at the same time, I simply can't find the words to describe how turned on I was at not feeling that. She was pretty well lubricated and once I was in her, I slid in pretty much effortlessly with just her moaning to "go slower" the only thing I heard. At half-way in her she pushed her hand out and stopped me and said she needed a minute and that "You feel huge to me baby". Maybe it's the new state I feel with her, not sure or whether it was just in our minds - but I too thought I felt huge in her.
The rest is as you well know it. She did tease me by asking me again "does it feel any different in there baby?" "you know, Paul's shaped different than you...". Only this time my answers were maybe a bit more open myself when I told her "you do feel more roomy baby" and "he's stretching you out inside" as my answers. I'm sure she had her own thoughts in her head, she responded quite beautifully as we got more and more into it with her thrusting herself upward at me to take me in even deeper until finally she came hard and almost immediately afterwards, I let go with my own dose of pleasure". She squealed and her eyes opened a bit wide as I finally came in her - at first I thought maybe the condom had broken or something based on her eyes and face. We lay there afterwards until she felt me softening and she reached down to hold the condom in place while she slid my now soft cock out of her pussy. We'd both cum pretty hard and I had sort of figured from the start she wasn't going to be into being pounded into afterwards to have her own huge orgasm. It was pretty funny when she pulled up her hand from between us with the condom in her hand in an almost triumphant stance!
I'd like to say that things ended at that point but when she held the condom in her hand and she felt how warm and how it felt sort of thicker and not as runny (at least not yet) she told me again how incredible it was to her that she held it in her hand and her eyes even fluttered a bit when she told me how erotic it felt to "hold my husband's cum in my hand" with the obvious implication of it not being elsewhere. I looked at her and I told her what I was thinking - I told her that it turned me on like crazy to know that I haven't cum in her except for those few times this year. It was a really close moment, we were naked and kissing and hugging in bed and she told me that it really turned her on too. I told her what I'd said here, that there were so many times I so wanted her, but that this moment where we were together and being so open and honest with each other, I told her that it felt good for me to not cum in her and that while I really did miss it, that at the same time sharing a moment like we were and from how I felt (harkening back to Far2's question) I told her that what I had in terms of pleasure and satisfaction and love for her far outweighed the tiny increased pleasure, and I held her hand with the condom in it and said "that leaving this inside you would have given me". As we kissed I told her that I loved what we were doing.
So, that's it. Will she be horny for me on Wednesday as she's planning before Paul will come here this coming weekend? I don't know. Even she's confused at times about when she thought it would be better to have sex with me. LOL.
Ok, it's Wednesday. I hope you are looking forward to tonight's date with a happy ending Steve. I just wonder, if you detect (or even ask) whether Sue is in any way not completely into it or even seeing it as a mercy fuck that she has to deliver tonight, would you call it off? Unlikely I guess, but with the sex so good with Paul, there must be a small part of you that is unsure if Sue is completely on board with her new regime.
Of course there is one bit of advice if she appears in doubt. Suck it and see ...
Of course there is one bit of advice if she appears in doubt. Suck it and see ...
Alas - wicked busy day - but surprise surprise - Sue did stay with her promise and she was definitely in the mood last night.
It surely didn't feel like a mercy-fuck! Had it felt like she was reluctant or not "into it", I would not have pushed or pursued it further but she was very amorous early on and that left no doubt early on in the evening. It wasn't a quickie - definitely not, she virtually insisted on fucking for a while and she came twice before I reached my own limit.
If I have more time later I'll share more, but our talking and teasing has become very arousing as it's been a bit more open - it's feeling more and more comfortable to tell her how it turns me on to know she's fucking Paul and all of that. She equally seems to feel much more comfortable in return too. I know we've been here before, but this time, I just have to say that it seems to feel more honest and genuine in how we seem to be dealing with each other.
I'll end this post by commenting on the question about it being so good with Paul. My thoughts only are that while she may really enjoy it with Paul, that I think - at least the thought that I like to have - is that it's still not the same as being with me.
I didn't follow the last line though...
It surely didn't feel like a mercy-fuck! Had it felt like she was reluctant or not "into it", I would not have pushed or pursued it further but she was very amorous early on and that left no doubt early on in the evening. It wasn't a quickie - definitely not, she virtually insisted on fucking for a while and she came twice before I reached my own limit.
If I have more time later I'll share more, but our talking and teasing has become very arousing as it's been a bit more open - it's feeling more and more comfortable to tell her how it turns me on to know she's fucking Paul and all of that. She equally seems to feel much more comfortable in return too. I know we've been here before, but this time, I just have to say that it seems to feel more honest and genuine in how we seem to be dealing with each other.
I'll end this post by commenting on the question about it being so good with Paul. My thoughts only are that while she may really enjoy it with Paul, that I think - at least the thought that I like to have - is that it's still not the same as being with me.
I didn't follow the last line though...
Steve - You both seem to have entered a very comfortable place for both of you. I would agree with you that your your connection with Sue, physically, sexually, emotionally is very much different then her connection with Paul. You both seem to give Sue something different, something that she needs from each of you. It is wonderful that you and Sue have found your place at this point in the relationship and it is great that you have given her the freedom, encouragement and support to explore.
Steve,
So glad all went well and Sue was so up for it. I'm sure you're glad ttoo. I'm equally sure that the love you have for each other plus the rare times you truly connect these days makes such times extra special for both of you. Not necessarily better than Paul but different and more cherished.
Sorry about my previous last line. It's a phrase more commonly used in the UK. It refers to someone reluctant to try something, like foods. So just try it, and see. Obviously the pun doesn't work if you don't know the first bit. Lost in translation!
So glad all went well and Sue was so up for it. I'm sure you're glad ttoo. I'm equally sure that the love you have for each other plus the rare times you truly connect these days makes such times extra special for both of you. Not necessarily better than Paul but different and more cherished.
Sorry about my previous last line. It's a phrase more commonly used in the UK. It refers to someone reluctant to try something, like foods. So just try it, and see. Obviously the pun doesn't work if you don't know the first bit. Lost in translation!
Peak - yeah, it was, I think relaxing for both of us. She never checked that I'd put a condom on and she later said she only really knew when I was getting really close and she said she could sort of "feel" the condom slipping a bit - and obviously when she heard and felt me cum she knew. She later told me that she really enjoyed how we've changed our sex a bit to give us each a bit more "mental stimulation" and arousal and as we talked, it seemed so easy and comfortable to talk about it and hear her say that she likes that it was good for me and that this seems to be "our new norm" which finally matches the title of this thread!! LOL. Ugh - time for a 4pm conference call.
The plan as of now is that he's coming over tomorrow afternoon and is likely spending the night.
We've talked a bit about things and she's very happy that we've reached the point where we are now and she can openly share her excitement at being with him with me. She's been encouraging me to tell her how I feel when I see her with him and when they are having sex together, and I have to say that it's been very erotic not feeling self-conscious about telling her that I enjoy seeing him fucking her and that I enjoy waiting my turn for her. She in turn has been incredibly appreciative, and has told me several times how special she feels when she sees/feels/finds-out that I've not even asked her or made her really aware of me putting on and using a condom with her - she says that it makes being with me much more relaxed and pleasurable for her knowing this "edge" (she got that from me) is there with us when we have sex. She says that it turns her on very much to know that I am truly giving her something special to share with Paul. It felt weird but I am getting more comfortable with telling her that it's something that really touches me and gives me the craziest feelings. But really, its the look in her eyes and how she'll hold my hand when we're talking - sitting on the porch with a glass of wine last night enjoying the surprise summer-like temps - that says these moments are really close for us both and in a way, incredibly intimate.
We've talked a bit about things and she's very happy that we've reached the point where we are now and she can openly share her excitement at being with him with me. She's been encouraging me to tell her how I feel when I see her with him and when they are having sex together, and I have to say that it's been very erotic not feeling self-conscious about telling her that I enjoy seeing him fucking her and that I enjoy waiting my turn for her. She in turn has been incredibly appreciative, and has told me several times how special she feels when she sees/feels/finds-out that I've not even asked her or made her really aware of me putting on and using a condom with her - she says that it makes being with me much more relaxed and pleasurable for her knowing this "edge" (she got that from me) is there with us when we have sex. She says that it turns her on very much to know that I am truly giving her something special to share with Paul. It felt weird but I am getting more comfortable with telling her that it's something that really touches me and gives me the craziest feelings. But really, its the look in her eyes and how she'll hold my hand when we're talking - sitting on the porch with a glass of wine last night enjoying the surprise summer-like temps - that says these moments are really close for us both and in a way, incredibly intimate.
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