Our "new norm"

[peakmb]

Steve,
Fair enough. I guess I was reading more into you saying you would update us later as to your conversations and then not doing so. It felt as though you had something more significant / difficult to say. It appears not. I wouldn't try to downplay Wednesday. In spite of not being bare, it clearly was one of your closer moments recently. If Sue has rediscovered the joy in that then good has come from the weekend. Enjoy this one and thanks for keeping us all in line.

 

[golfman2315]

Easy Steve I just asked a couple of questions trying to understand if some of those things are part of the overall picture. If you don't like the questions then just don't answer. No big deal sorry if I offended you.

BTW Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head are in South Carolina.

 

[SoonToBe]

Sorry Golf - overreaction on my end here a bit too - I appreciate everyone's inputs, just sometimes, it seems like others seem to think they are in Sue's head or can read her mind.

See, it's me North Carolina, South Carolina - geography's not my stength.

 

[golfman2315]

Steve I have been very intrigued by you and Sue's journey for a long time primarily because I know I will never be able to go there. While my wife sleeps with other men neither of us would want or quite honestly could deal with the levels you guys have reached. So when I read your continued story and see things that are so foreign to us I often point them out looking for answers.

I also think when many here point out things that they think maybe potential pitfalls for you they do it because there is genuine concern for you and your marriage.

BTW show me a man who can read a woman's mind and I will show a genius.

 

[Jaxunman]

Perhaps I am missing something, but I don't quite share the same alarming feelings as everyone else. During their recent discussions, Sue told Steve that she and Paul wanted to include him more, but, there would still be times when they would want to be alone. This trip was all about Sue getting some time away with her lover, and one of those times when she wanted to be alone with him. It is no big wonder that a nightly play by play was not being sent to Steve. It is also why Sue wanted Steve to visit his buddy and keep his mind off things as a way to reduce the angst, if any, he was having over her being away.

Several times, Steve has described his feelings towards Sue as her being like a Playboy Centerfold to him. Someone he can look at and admire from afar, maybe even obsess over. He enjoys the feeling of her being someone he can admire but not obtain. Some men of the cuckold mindset enjoy the extremes of their wives being complete sluts, while others, like Steve, place their wives on a pedestal, out of reach.

While I am not currently with the gloom/doom/conspiracy crowd, there is one area I can see as problematic if not brought under a bit of control. Steve, you masturbate while watching Paul and Sue, while listening to Paul and Sue and imagining them when you are alone. Nothing wrong with that as it is the result of your voyeuristic desires being filled. What I find a bit concerning is when you are making love with Sue, rather than staying in the moment and connecting with her, you say that in your head you are imagining her and Paul fucking and that is what takes you over the top. Sue appears to be able to have perfectly satisfying sex with just you. Yet, it is you who has to have Paul in the bedroom, either in person or in your head to have satisfying sex with Sue. That is the only trend I see any danger in, at this point. This is not intended to be an attack or a criticism. Maybe you have noticed it yourself, maybe not. Women are sensitive to the connection that is happening when having sex. Perhaps Sue has noticed it already and that has been what has helped her deem it acceptable that she desires sex more from him than she does you? Just try letting it be about you and Sue more when you two are alone. That is all I am suggesting.

 

[golfman2315]

Just for clarification when I asked the questions I did about the text and the phone calls I was not expecting that Sue was going to give some type of daily recap of their sexual activities or that was what Steve was calling to hear. I was expecting them to talk about general stuff like hows the beach, weather, food, etc. It was already understood what was going on so being able to talk freely and openly in general was what I was asking about.

I could understand being shy and distance on the phone if this was a cheating or a Paul was not in the know situation but the trip and Paul freely having Sue as a lover are all with Steve's blessings. So that is why I interrupted those situations that way.

 

[SoonToBe]

May have time to update later - as of now, also surprising is that she says she's not seeing him this weekend. I asked why? when did that change? She just told me that nothing was definite for this weekend and again repeated about not wanting to overdo it and that "we'll go back to our usual schedule next week". I didn't remind her that the kids will be home next weekend yet. She's on the phone with her sister now so I had a few minutes. Ever the surprise.

 

[peakmb]

The gap between what you think is acceptable and too far and what Sue thinks of the same seems to be growing. Focused almost solely on your denial and Paul's service you seem happy. I would suggest a little blinded by the dazzle. Beware it might just be a car coming the other way. Sue seems more sensitive to it. Perhaps because she is now the one responsible for a liveable reversal when the time comes. The duty of the Alpha of course. You're in good hands it seems....

 

[SoonToBe]

Golf - thanks for your thoughtful explanation. I can much better appreciate your perspective and your concerns. Regarding the brevity of the phone calls and texts, I think Jax has some of it, that I was away doing my thing and she, doing hers. But I also know Sue and I just don't see her wanting to change the mood she had of "being with Paul" to take time to have a personal phone conversation with me. I had no expectations of that knowing what she was going to be doing and how she was likely to be feeling.

Jax - you have things pretty well summarized as I see them. I re-read your last part about what thoughts are in my head when I'm making love with Sue. There is far more than mental arousal at that point, we are usually - if we are passionate as we were - well in rhythm and really into the sensations of driving each other wild. I'll be honest and say that the visions of Pauls or whoever elses cock in her in the visibly obvious moment after he's cum in her - that "vision" can almost set me off without any stimulation at times. But that same vision has always been in my head - only early on it was (and may still be) my cock in her. She was very much like she is with Paul now when we first started dating, very into the physical side of sex. Right now sometimes it's Paul's face and cock, other times it's very much me, other times it's others. Not sure I can really control what thoughts get in there at the moment.

One thing that I PM'ed about was that someone asked me whether I had to ask her to put her rings back on when she came home and how that part went. I never wrote about it because I'd never thought about it. They were already back on when I took notice of it so I have no idea when she did it on her own but it seemed like it was as soon as she went upstairs.

Since some of our conversation yesterday overlapped with much of what she'd shared with me about their weekend away, it seems to be just easier to share where we are right now.

No doubt that they enjoyed a lot of sex, she told me that they had sex at least 8 or 9 times before she came home on Monday. She asked me how I felt about that and I told her that I expected that and that it turned me on that what I'd thought was correct. She smiled and even blushed a bit. I told her that it turned me on to think of her enjoying herself for that long with him.

She obviously sensed that there was more I and we should talk about. Rather than try to recap the call which seems to get me in trouble with my explanations, I'll try to shorten it, although likely that will lead to more questions.... She asked me if I still liked what we were doing and I told her yeah, that it still turned me on and that it was also what made me so turned on while she was away, that she was having sex with him and not me. I told her that I was enjoying it and I also told her that I thought it was Pauls unassuming character that was allowing me to relax my concerns and I told her that I hoped that was true.

She had this appreciative look on her face at what I'd just said and she said that it absolutely was true and even more that it was what was also letting her really enjoy it. She said that when I came to her and said that I wanted to be the beta, that in those following months where she literally cut me off from most/all sex, that she said she "found herself" and that she again said she hoped it didn't hurt to hear her say it but that she loves having sex with Paul. She loves everything about it - from how she shares all of herself and how she feels doing it. But at the same time she left no doubt with me either that it really is just the sex. She in a way even said thank you to me for unlocking some of this for her and that she can't believe how she can feel with him when they're together in bed.

For me, at this point, I wanted her to tell me more about how she felt emotionally about him so I asked her - I said what about the other concerns. She knew immediately what I meant. She held my hand and said she wasn't going to lie to me, but after having Paul as an incredible sex partner now for over a year, that she does have feelings for him as a close friend. She said that I had to know that sharing herself so intimately with him couldn't remain totally platonic and that kissing him and feeling his passion for this long, that she feels very close to him. I told her that part concerned me and she immediately moved right next to me and took me in her arms and pulled me to look at her from like 6 inches away and she told me point blank that no one could ever replace me and that she would never want anyone to, much less Paul. She says he's a great guy, but that I am her husband and that there is so much more that keeps us together.

There was more - but I don't want to get into it - but please beleieve me when I say that she left no doubt in my mind that she loves me and wants me.

Of course the future came up and she asked me how I was going to feel if she continued to see Paul. I asked her if she thought she was going to keep this pace up - and she asked me if it bothered me what we were doing, her going to his place - and then she asked "or is it him coming here that bothers you?" I quickly told her that neither bothered me but that I thought the somewhat rigid schedule was maybe going to be an issue eventually. She giggled and said "well, you know I like it 2 or 3 times a week".

I said something next that surprised me. I told her that sometimes I wished she'd "want" me. She turned to me and held me and she said that she always wants me. She said that I"m her husband and that she loves me and that even though sex may be fun and crazy and awesome with Paul, that it will never be what she still feels with me. She looked at me and pulled my chin towards her face and she asked me if that would make it better if maybe every other week or so, that instead of her seeing Paul during the week, that it's a night for us to make love. She said it just like that. I think she may have even had watery eyes as she did because as I said back that I'd like that, I had a little tear too.

It was her that asked me "do you want to use condoms with me on those nights? you don't have to if you don't want to...".

And it was obvious what we talked about next last night.

 

[peakmb]

Well, I'm glad you had the talk and how it went. Of course in reality it matters little whether you wear a condom in your new reconnections together but to you, it means so much more and of course Sue knows this too. It seems clear that Sue is looking for a real husband / wife moment. Something apart from the life you have been playing and enjoying. She knows that while you are still wearing the condom your head is still in the game and as a result not fully with her. Paul's rights are still in the bed with you. The real question is are you prepared to take up what she is really offering?

 

[SquirmingSub]

Was great to head that you two have spoken in more details about your concerns. As Peak said "The real question is are you prepared to take up what she is really offering?", this is something that only you will know and time will tell. From my perspective, which is a twist of Peak's question, are you going to accept Sue's offer or are you going to respect that Sue may actually want to continue her fluid exclusivity with Paul?

 

[SoonToBe]

Peak - to answer your question, yeah, I like what she's offering!!! I have wanted it to be her who wants to have sex with me and not the other way around and she is now saying that she wants some time with me, albeit every other week, still, she initiated and she's said she wants it. And that's what's I've wanted to feel and hear from her, that she is having and doing what she wants and that now it is beginning to include me more.

Squirm - I think it's something we both feel. She knows that I want her sexually but also knows I only want he when she wants it with me. Perhaps her time away with Paul has stirred a need to have time with me. She hasn't said that exactly but it's something that seems like it may be a change in her.

I guess I'm not clear on what you guys think she is "really offering". Are you reading more into this than I am? I see it as an evolution of things. If anything, my thought is that her having the sorts of intense orgasms with me at times even when I'm using a condom with her as maybe some kind of sign of some kind that she wants to be with me again/more? It was very nice, for both of us, last week when we truly made love instead of just a horny cuckold quick fucking.

The same occurred last night. We'd lit a fire in the backyard and Sue had a glass or two of wine and with her not seeing Paul all weekend I wasn't sure whether she was going to let her desires build up till she sees him this week or whether she'd want to be with me. Just about 10 pm she leaned over towards me and told me she was getting warm. I thought it was from the fire as it had started to get cold out so I didn't recognize her come-on. We were almost like a normal married couple in bed - we seemed very comfortable with each other and we both enjoyed ourselves immensely.

But before I go further I wanted to close out the whole condom discussion. Sue openly admitted to me that over time my fantasies and arousals have rubbed off on her. When we talked she reminded me just how long ago we started our Wednesday night routines and she admits that over time she's really gotten into the idea of me not cumming in her. Whether it's with a condom or me masturbating, she says that her husband doesn't cum in her is a very erotic thing for her and something that she admits, turns her on immensely. She says it's all linked together with everything, the good and different sex with Paul, my beta-desires and her own acceptance of what turns her on and what she's not scared or reluctant to let herself get turned on about.

We talked at length at times about her time away and just how sexual she was with him and how intimate they were together. She glowed at making love with him over and over and feeling him cum deeply in her also over and over. But she insisted that it's really just a physical release she is having with him - granted an incredibly intimate physical release - but she insists that neither of them have any goals or desires to do or have more than they have. She says that Paul doesn't care about what we do together (except for his occasional comment about liking that she's clean for him) and that he doesn't care if we do or don't use condoms together. So what we are doing regarding this is really between her and I. Yes, in my head, I told her how it makes me feel to put one on and know that I am giving her something with him that I can't or won't have with her. I admitted that it turns me on that he has sex with her in ways that I don't or won't.

She asked me about how I liked being the beta and whether it was something I still wanted. I told her yes, that I felt that Paul's character and how he is with her and I was a big part of me being able to let it happen. She glowed as I spoke like that and she said that she liked how she felt with Paul and agian, teasing me a bit about their trip, she told me how she loved being with him for so many days in a row. But she told me that her liking me not cumming in her these days was just that, something she likes, not something she insists on - and she said to me that given her choice right now, she would continue to ask me to use condoms with her - but she again made it clear that if I ever felt the need to have her without one, that she would never turn me away. I jokingly said "as long as you're not too sore" and she immediatly looked up at me and said "I meant it, anytime you need to ..... a little lubricant and I'd be okay" with a smile on her face.

As we talked more she looked at me and said that I should stop getting so concerned about the condoms. She giggled and said what she'd always said - that if it turns me on that I should just go with it. She hugged me tightly and said that she'd never do anything to hurt me and then said it - she said that knowing this all turns me on is still a part of what makes her want to do it. She didn't say she'd stop if it didn't turn me on and I recognize that I woudn't expect her to stop either. But she had a point when she said that I shouldn't be so concerned. As we talked I told her that some of my concerns were about what was going to happen in the future and that if she continued towards not wanting me to cum in her and if that continued - that while I might like and enjoy it, that over time I might not want to remain the beta. She smiled and said "baby, I'd always want you back" she paused for a second and then added something lke "it might take us a while to get back into our rhythm but I know we would". She looked up at me and said "is that what's worrying you sometimes?". and I told her YES. That a part of me was concerned if she began to look at this differently than I did, what we'd do. She kissed me and said that we'd do what we always do we'd work it out. She added that she 'd never hurt me and that I should always know that, that even if we do more or get into other things (whatever that meant) that it was never that she didn't want me.

I guess I strayed a bit here - but I guess what I wanted to end by saying is that we have agreed to let things continue as they are with her enjoying her time with Paul as we do now. she asked me if I was still okay with her spending one night a week with him either at his place or him at ours and I told her yes - which brought a big smile to her face. She told me with no hesitance that she loved thinking about sex with Paul and that she hoped things would be better with us when we had some time of our own scheduled.

 

[wingman]

Steve -

You now seem more comfortable with remaining the beta guys, and using condoms. Do you still think you'll want to push in new directions from here? You said their spending several days together really turned you on, would letting them spend more consecutive days together in a given week also turn you on? How about on occasion spending an entire week at his place, with you dropping by as a dinner guest mid week?

I curious how your Wed sessions go, does she tell you about the sex in the last week while you take care of yourself? Does she tease you, or compare you two? Would you take your Wed sessions a bit farther as a means of stretching the envelope?

Just trying to get your thoughts on "next steps, new directions"?

 

[raksdeer]

"she told me how she loved being with him for so many days in a row. But she told me that her liking me not cumming in her these days was just that, something she likes, not something she insists on - and she said to me that given her choice right now, she would continue to ask me to use condoms with her - but she again made it clear that if I ever felt the need to have her without one, that she would never turn me away"

Sure Steve. I also understand that as of now you also don't want status to change. She told you that "given her choice right now, she would continue to ask me to use condoms with her"..Did you ask for how long she is going to want that? Did she meant like "foreseeable future". While your desire for being denied can be understood to a degree, can you please provide more insight into why she would not like to have you "bare" ? Will she feel "violated" after having you? or "unfaithful" towards Paul? Or does she feels that you are not worthy as you are a "Beta". Or she wants to "punish" you in some fashion? Please don't feel annoyed at my questions, as I am just trying to understand it more. And what happens when it's your anniversary? Or Birthdays? As far as I can understand it, her denial is no more a game, it's serious.

 

[raksdeer]

Also I would like to understand that when she says "She turned to me and held me and she said that she always wants me. She said that I"m her husband and that she loves me and that even though sex may be fun and crazy and awesome with Paul, that it will never be what she still feels with me." Is your desire for denial literally forcing her to have "second grade" enjoyment while she does have better option.

Again as I have said earlier, please don't consider my questions as attack on you or questioning your love. I am not doing any of that. I am just trying to understand your story

 

[peakmb]

Steve,
I can appreciate that sometimes your desire to share your excitement about the adventures you get up to with Sue might seem to come at too high a price to your own personal feelings. In trying to truly understand, I and others ask increasingly searching questions about your desires and motives. You in turn have become quite good at deflecting. Answering questions in ways that reveal less or little about what is asked. If you are to stay sane, it is perhaps to be expected. Some things should stay forever private or maybe you just need more time to process. From my side though this sometimes leaves a gap between your explanation and my understanding. I accept up front that much of this will be my fault. If I don’t walk in your shoes how can I truly get it? Still..

It seems to me that Sue is embracing her time as the Alpha more than you are perhaps really seeing at the moment. Paul remains the perfect human dildo. His low profile and lack of demands means you don’t see him as a threat so you are happy to let go more now than you perhaps ever have. Equally it has enabled Sue to get what she wants out of him. Great sex on her terms and in ways she truly enjoys. No wonder she talks in terms of always wanting something extra even if Paul and she part in the future. Her weekend away really cemented how much sex she can enjoy with the right partner in a sustained period. I’m sure that a repeat will be planned by her long before she mentions it to you for ‘permission’.

Sue has left you the joker card. The ‘if you want to stop, you only have to ask’ option. This may be real but it is also at the moment an illusion. Sue knows well now how turned on you are by denial, and by using condoms when you aren’t. She knows you are not about to end that at the moment but the option, combined with Paul’s submissiveness gives you maximum security and her maximum freedom. I question whether Sue’s actually likes you using condoms ALL the time, but it does maintain the freedom which she now enjoys and this may be at least part of why she says what she does. She isn’t lying but is perhaps not revealing all of her truth. As many of us have been saying for a while, this pattern can easily be seen as Sue no longer really wanting to make love to you at all. She even said that Paul suggested she start doing something with you during his weekend stays. That idea didn’t come from you and her wording it like she did suggested that it wasn’t something that was vitally important to her either. Bouncing along in your blissful denial bubble, you didn’t really pick up on it either. It just seemed a bonus. Just last week though, you brought it up by perhaps seeing that she hasn’t seemed to really want you for some time. Maybe the feeling of that midweek session last week woke up some dormant sensation in you so you voiced your concern. It was only after this that Sue threw you the new bone. One evening every other week, in exchange for which all her other activity with Paul could continue. She even used your own condom fetish against you by giving you the option as to whether your new sessions would be bareback. She only hinted she would prefer that too, but she knew you would go that way. Just bear in mind she has repeatedly said that she gets maximum pleasure when she feels her man come inside her. So is she denying herself her own maximum pleasure or is she subtly making sure that her current world continues with you staying in your blissful bubble? I maintain if she really wanted a fully genuine session with you, she would insist on it being bareback even if you needed convincing. Even you know it’s the only complete reconnection.

I know you will say, and I completely believe you, that what is going on is consensual and exactly what both of you want at this time. I just think that Sue is using her head a little more than you are seeing or admitting at the moment. Again, no problem right now, but in the future you might just have a bigger battle than you think recovering some Alpha ground if you want to go that way.

 

[SquirmingSub]

Steve it is always good for you to share your adventures, thoughts, feelings, emotions and ideas for the future. Continue to enjoy your journey, yes you should have an open mind about everything as there can be pit falls if not navigated well. Looking forward to reading more.

 

[SoonToBe]

Well, I'll start by saying that she didn't see him last night but that she is seeing him tonight but not staying overnight. Apparently he'd mixed up when our kids will be home (this weekend, not next - they want to stay at school for Halloween, not come home). I think that's an area that could be some friction in the future as yesterday afternoon he was playing golf when Sue texted him and they realized their mix-up. She called me at work and she sounded annoyed about it. Last night I reminded her that last summer/fall that things were still kind of new for them and I'm sure he was a lot more eager to chase after her, but now, I told her that I think he feels he can pursue both, her as well as the things he likes like his golf-game. She grinned and said she didn't like feeling like she was coming in 2nd place!

Wing - other than them having gone away, there's been no mention recently about more than 1 night together for them. I'm not sure I ever went as far as to suggest they'd spend a week together but I know that she had mentioned spending 2 nights with him. I don't know that I'd say no to that but would want to understand where the "give" part of give-and-take is in that situation if she's taking another night with him. But she hasn't mentioned it so not sure it's still a priority or desire for her. If she wanted and it was okay in terms of schedule, etc., I think it'd be something I could be okay with every now and then but I don't think it'd work for me as a regular thing to have her gone 2 nights in a row. I guess that may be a limit on my own beta-ness?

Wednesday's, well not last night, are generally filled with all of what you wrote Wing. Many times she likes for me to talk to her openly and tell her what turns me on or what I'm thinking. But she does share details and will tease/taunt me at other times. I've said many times how it seems we can more easily talk to each other on Wednesdays and she has sometimes just used the time to talk to me about what she wants and to "confirm" it all turns me on, mostly by watching me and enjoying me masturbating along with her. I'm not sure how much further that envelope can be stretched.

Raks - my expectation is that if things stay as they are with her and Paul that I will very likely be using condoms with he for as long as she's seeing him, or, as long as I wish to remain as the beta for her. I am quite sure she isn't viewing this as punishment in any way as she knows how using them makes me feel when we have sex together. What I actually felt is a little bit of almost a reluctance from her to admit that she now finds it somewhat erotic for me to no longer cum in her. I don't think she feels she'd be cheating on or violating something with Paul. She's told me that she is, I guess, getting aroused at the general idea of me being a cuckold - I get this feeling when she tells me how sexy and aroused she feels at the kind of things we are doing between the 2 of us - about her being much more open about enjoying sex with Paul, but also about how she feels about it herself. While I know that she's always loved having guys cum in her, she has found an arousal in denying her husband that pleasure. It's very much in line with the feelings I get from all of this, that denying me this pleasure has somehow struck a note in both of us. I guess what I"m trying to say is that she seems to be aroused at the idea of her being this middle-aged wife/mother with this crazy sexual side. I mean I've known she's been turned on by this for a long time now. I suppose it began with Don and his insistence on her being clean for him. I am sure that while it annoyed me, that Sue obviously saw that it turned me on. I think, if i had to conjecture, it's that over time she's become aware of her own sexuality and that she's actually turned on by recognizing that it turns her on to be this cuckoldress (even if she doesn't know/use that term). That's the part that both excites me and scares me a little. I'm excited that she's turned on by it all, but I admit that it does scare me that she is truly (and maybe not just because it turns me on) enjoying how it feels for me to not cum in her. It scares me because I guess, it could be something that lingers on or becomes something she wants even when she may not have a bf, etc.

Regarding birthdays and such, Raks, I know this will sound crazy to you but I wouldn't expect anything different from her on these occasions. To be honest, it's going to sound crazy but I want her to continue with her desires on these days. I know I will want her bare and if the need is high enough, I may tell her that I need/want her - but if that need isn't that high in me, then again, as with all the other days - it'll sound crazy but in a way it will turn me on to know that we are continuing on with this. In your second post Raks, you ask if I'm forcing her - and I think you are again taking me too literally in what I was conveying. Believe me, it is not second-rate sex I am forcing her into - but I think what she was saying is what I've been conveying here all along - that there is more to our relationship than just sex.

Peak - I think a lot of what I wrote above is applicable to your post too. You said a lot that I agree with but am also not very concerned about which I think is what you and others are always leaning towards as me not seeing something or not recognizing things. I don't know that I feel the same as you do about Sue's motives for wanting to have sex with me, or rather, to make love with me every other week. You feel it's something that Paul pushed or suggested, but I think it's something that she wants. Yes, you are correct that she loves for her man to cum in her - I think her newfound proclivity of enjoying my use of condoms has different aspects - and I do think a part of it is to deny her feeling the same pleasure with me as she feels with Paul. So if anything she's possibly enjoying my use of condoms as a way of perpetuating her sexual fulfillment with Paul and at the same time, preventing me from giving her that same pleasure. If it is, then it is very much in line with how I feel as I make no secret of that being one of the things that so turns me on using condoms with her myself. So I don't see this as a bad thing. I actually feel that, in a way, if I stopped using condoms with her, that perhaps her desires with Paul would decrease too.

I'm not sure I can answer any more of this right now as there's just too much in my head that I can't fully articulate. But I'd be lying if I said that it didnt turn me on to hear that she liked how she felt sexually when she thinks about what she's doing that is just so different than what anyone would think was the norm.

 

[raksdeer]

STB, Would you be comfortable if she tells you right now - that you will be denied forever ? And she doesn't wants you to be her sexual mate...forever? I think it will be highly arousing to you if she tells you that. And not allowing you on your birthday or anniversary - the day you became husband and wife will also be great. Would it also arouse you to say for e.g., invite Paul on your anniversary and be shut out of your bedroom ? Would she like that ?

 

[SoonToBe]

Raks - you know that's a bit too extreme....