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Our "new norm"

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  • #221
Peak, I'm hoping but also know better than to over-hope that she'll want some physical time with me tonight. I know I would want it but I also know that she may come home, as you said, physically and yes, emotionally drained. I also already know that if she does say that to me that it is only going to turn me on even more. Now that I know she is on her way home, my anxiety and angst is fading and it is being replaced by an eagerness to see her, and yes, to see her naked and for her to share with me how the time with Paul was.

But I'm not going to lie and I will say that a part of me is hoping she will do just that, and ask me to wait. My cock is already hard at the thought of that possibility for as crazy as that may sound.
 
  • #222
Steve - sounds liked a very positive approach and view point.
 
  • #223
She just texted me that she's leaving his place now so she should be home by about 5:30pm at the latest.

I can't explain how horny and aroused I feel right now but I think what I'm really feeling is envy and maybe a touch of jealousy at what she's spent the last few days doing.
 
  • #224
Steve,
I can imagine that not everything went according to the plan in your own head. I suspect that the full repercussions of last weekend will take some time to fully reveal themselves. Guilt, joy, freedom, excitement, angst, secrets, amongst others will all take some time to reveal themselves and settle into another 'new norm'. Just try and stay focused on the two of you.
 
  • #225
Steve, After such a weekend I am sure that you are taking in the experience, having those conversations with Sue and having a busy week at work. We are all looking forward to reading your next post.
 
  • #226
Steve,
I hope all is well with you and Sue as you reconnect. It must have been a stressful weekend for you, but enjoyable nonetheless.

One thing has been bothering me over the weekend. You described that Sue was starting to tear up as she was about to leave and then she was trying to bolt out the door when you stopped her to take the rings. I might be completely off base, but is it possible that she was tearing up because she knew/felt that this might be a big turning point in her relationship with Paul and it might fundamentally change your relationship with you?

Also, the call you described where she didn't want to answer because Paul was there (but apparently out of the room because he gave her time to call you.) seems odd with how she describes her relationship with Paul. If it is truly sexual then why would she be hesitant to answer your questions?

I guess I was picking up a small vibe that things are moving toward something more significant with Paul. I hope it stays just sexual and does not become a threat to you and Sue. What ever happens, your loyal readers are here for you.
 
  • #227
Everyone please keep in mind that this was a very emotional, stressful event for Steve and it takes time to recover. So typically, faithful readers might have a tendency to ply their "worries" concerning when there is a pause from Steve's writings. So words for thought.

We are privileged that Steve has wrote his and Sue's journey in this area for so long as to my knowledge this is the longest on going thing shared thru his words. If I say story, Steve in the past, has tended to think I doubt the truth which is most definitely not the case but rather I truly appreciate his "sharing" his real life with us here.

One interesting note from Sue's past relationships is that when she goes alway with her "lover" at the time this has been a sign that the end is near as the newness factor tends to wear thin. Since "Paul" is ongoing" what new potential "challenges" may have arisen?

I believe with long time readers we are "concerned" and hope everything works out for the very best and eagerly await word from Steve however lets be patient and understanding that it could be a few days before he is able to absorb and find the energy to let us know how he is doing. )

Regards
 
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Wow, finally a little time.

Where to start? Knk - you over-read into her teariness - it was more something between her and I, it'd been a long time since she was leaving and literally wouldn't be back for several days - I think if i remember it right, my thought about it was an expression of her appreciation for what I/we were giving her. Thinking back, her rapid departure was likely to cut short what might have been a longer more emotional moment, especially after me removing her rings. Regarding her not answering my call, I assumed she was "busy" at the time and her coyness about sharing details with me, with or without Paul there (or using him as an excuse) was somewhat expected.

I will say that it wasn't till last night that we (finally) had sex together! But I need to explain a bit more. I didn't recognize her at first when she came in on Monday. She just looked different. Her hair was tied/held back. Somehow she'd gotten some sun because she definitely looked suntanned and she had on clothes that I hadn't seen before, a very sexy top that clearly showed she had no bra on and a tight pair of jeans that looked remarkably good on her (she'll kill me but sometimes tight pants can make her look chunky which she's not). It was also the look on her face, once I got past her overall appearance and truly looked at her face, I knew even before the door was closed behind her that she'd had a LOT of sex.

A part of me wanted to throw her over my shoulder cave-man style and drag her upstairs - but the other part of me so wanted to just be with her and experience how she felt and to hopefully have her share her experience with me. I was so horny but the same time it felt so good to be so horny for her. And I have to say that as I looked at her and I knew she'd been with him so much, while I surely wanted her, I also wanted to respect her enjoying all of him that she could even if it meant delaying my own desires.

I'll share with you the time since Monday but will likely wait longer to share some of what we've talked about regarding her time away and that sort of thing.

I knew she was a bit tired from all the traveling, even with TSA-pre-check airline travel is still a hassle. We sat in the kitchen and had a cup of coffee together and as we talked she said she hoped I understood but she was definitely not up for any more sex. We talked about lots of stuff and I guess a bit later we pulled her small suitcase up to the bedroom and I helped her unpack. I told her how hot she looked and how different she looked and how it turned me on. She told me that they'd had sex one last time at Paul's place before she came home and she admitted that she was pretty "worn out" before that and that this last time was all she could take. I was quite horny watching her put her used (soiled?) lingerie into the hamper - it was so erotic knowing she'd worn them with him.

I told her that it was a bit of a surprise how she looked and she said that when she got there that she'd wanted to try a new look and she admitted she wanted to feel sexy-er around the other women. I told her it was very arousing to see her like that and she blushed. She smiled at me as she got changed and it turned me on to see a darkened-spot in the crotch of her panties before she pulled on her flannel pajama pants over them - so no, I didn't get to see her that night other than her breasts which, in my head, looked like they'd been pawed over, for the moment before she pulled her pj shirt on. We cuddled up in bed after that and she hugged me and thanked me so much for not pushing myself on her. What I have to emphasize here is how it felt for both of us to spoon up like that, it was an amazingly close time for both of us.

She was asleep pretty quickly and I understood. She was so asleep she didn't move as I masturbated in bed next to her and then went to sleep myself.

Tuesday night we spent some time talking about things and then of all times, I got a call from work that consumed about an hour and that sort of took the horniness off the night. Sue also admitted that she wasn't all that horny yet and as we talked it just became obvious that it would simply be better to wait till last night as I was annoyed with work and it was late and her admission on top of it....

I have to add that Tuesday and yesterday mornings - my god did I have a huge hardon both mornings that I almost felt like a teenager getting hard at seeing her walking around the bedroom and bathroom and thinking of her doing the same with Paul over the weekend.

Finally, last night she made it clear when she came home that we would have some fun last night. I admit a part of me was disappointed when I thought that what she'd said meant I'd only be masturbating with her, but a part of me also accepted it as the way it is and that our time for sex has typically always been on the weekend so in a way I wasn't surprised. So I was quite ecstatic when we were in the bedroom getting into bed when she slipped off her panties and pulled her night-shirt off and climbed in naked next to me.

We kissed and hugged and suddenly a ton of emotions came out between us - she held me tightly and told me how much she loved me and vice-versa. Kisses turned passionate - her hand was on my cock enjoying its hardness and my fingers for the first time in a long time were in her pussy pleasuring her. I hadn't really realized how much I'd missed this part of sex with her, getting her revved up - foreplay if you will. I even went down on her and for the first time, tasting just her sweetness since by last night the remnants of Paul's sperm were gone. She cautiously sucked my cock too - cautiously because she knew I was quite horny and didn't want to make me cum too soon! She'd made it clear that she wanted to feel me in her.

It was really nice feeling her next to me like that - as others will likely point out, it'd been a long time for us to have alone time like this - and it's some of what we'd talked about too which I can share later. But we were quite amorous and it was clear that she wanted it which was really nice to feel between us.

It goes without saying that we were both talking and teasing each other including me telling her, as I looked up at her as I licked her pussy was that "I love that Paul was in you so much" and I told her that it turned me on so that he'd been in her where my tongue was - both his tongue and his cock and yes, his cum too. At one point I told her that I couldn't taste him in her any more and she giggled and said "next time".

Obviously both of us were on the edge and it wasn't long before our foreplay progressed to the next point. When I moved up next to her and we started kissing again she looked at me and said "you don't have to use a condom if you don't want to". I was hard already and hearing her say that made me stop and look at her for a moment. I looked at her and asked her "is that what you want?" She kissed me and asked me "what do you want?" I told her that I wanted what she wanted and told her that I felt awkward making that decision based on what I wanted. She looked at me and said "would it hurt you if I told you no?" and I said "no" and with a short pause I added "I was thinking it wouldn't be right if I did". She smiled and said "I thought you might want to too".

I cannot explain to you how wonderful it was to talk to her like that. I know it sounds horrible and cold in some ways but it wasn't - it was actually an incredibly loving close moment when the way she was and what she said and what she wanted was so beautiful to me. It was open honest and loving - she was able to tell me what she wanted but more so, she knew that I would also feel that way and would equally want it. As she watched me pull the condom on she smiled and told me she loved me. As I slid it all the way down she lay back in the bed and pulled her legs back for me. I can't even find the words to say how intense it was to see her lying there visibly and obviously aroused from my fingers and tongue and her pussy was just waiting for me. Even through the condom I could feel her and it was so intense for me. I had so many visions and thoughts in my head - did her pussy feel different (maybe a bit looser for sure) - she was so wet - and it was soooo warm inside too.

It will sound crazy to some here like Raks when I say that I loved making love to her but knowing that I was still being denied. Its a moment like that last night that touches something so deep inside me with this intense feeling of satisfaction that I know I really am a cuckold. And yes, I'll add that as thoughts of Paul's cock filling her pussy over and over with his thick warm cum consumed me - man did I ever let loose. She squealed and orgasmed quite intensely and I remained hard and kept at her and I'm happy to say that even without me actually cumming inside her, she reached one of those intense post-fuck orgasms beneath me and I felt her own wetness make her so slick inside that while she didn't squirt, she did leave a wet-spot on the bed. Actually it was quite funny, after her breathing calmed down and we relaxed together as I held her as she came down from her orgasm - as I pulled out of her and rolled over she looked at me and at first said "I thought you weren't cumming in me" but as she said that she put her fingers in her pussy and she blushed and said "oh..... sorry..... you didn't" when she saw the condom still in place - she'd cum so much it was her wetness on the bed! She rolled onto her side and slid next to me and we lay together naked feeling each other enjoying a true post-fuck moment. She slid the sheet down and reached for my cock and carefully slid the condom off. I was watching her as she held it in her hand and she said how warm it still was. I just mumured "uh huh". She tied a knot in it and I thought she was just going to toss it when she held it in front of me and she said something about how erotic it was that "this little piece of rubber is holding your sperm" and she kissed me and said that it turned her on a lot to hold it in her hand like that with the obvious unsaid comment of "it not being in me". She looked at me and kissed me again and she said that she was glad that this turned me on as much as it did her and that she wouldn't have dreamed that "...this kind of fun could be so fun..." and she said she loved me.

Gotta run for now
 
  • #229
WOW! Sex with Paul just before she leaves to meet you..and then too tired and worn out to have it with you. You are living in a cuck heaven. BTW does she refers you are cuck or cuckold ?
 
  • #230
Raks, I wasn't surprised by that at all. She's not seeing him this week at all, not sure about the weekend either. I told her later that it turned me on that she'd done that. She will call me her "cuck" sometimes and in conversation she's comfortable with "cuckold" as a noun but less as an adjective.

I want to say that she knew that her being "too tired" would be something that turned me on. She'd said to me at some point that "you know, if you'd really wanted to, I would have been there for you" referring to Monday evening and I told her "I know". If anything not sure this makes sense, but knowing that in some ways makes it both easier and more intense when we both admit to wanting to continue this condom/denial thing we're doing. It's weird but I am so turned on that she was able to tell me that she would rather I used the condom with her, even if part of that motivation still is that it turns me on, to hear her say it is something that just gets to me and so turns me on.
 
  • #231
Steve, What a great summary recap of the time you and Sue has spent together since she has been back home. Looking forward to reading more as you continue to share the experiences, the conversation, etc. Thank you for sharing the way you do.
 
  • #232
Steve,
Be interesting to know who initiated Sue's last time with Paul before she left him on Monday. He must have guessed you might want her when she returned and must have known how tired she already was. Can't really blame him for a final time for the weekend but it is a little unlike him to not consider the consequence.

I'm glad that Sue made the offer of herself bare as she did. Not surprised though. She knew the magnitude of the weekend by then and the gesture must have matched her guilt. I'm guessing by turning it down you have shocked her a bit and not allowed her that guilt release. Of course she couldn't admit that yet but I'm already waiting for the revelation of something. I'm just a bit worried that you are so excited by the denial continuing that you are not seeing the bigger picture.

Time will out no doubt.
 
  • #233
Steve,
Thanks for the great update. I must say the I am VERY happy that I was overthinking things, and that both you and Sue are getting what you want out of the relationships. Enjoy!
 
  • #234
I'm again on a call with our folks overseas so thought I'd answer Peak's post. From what she said, it was a mutual thing, she'd gone into his place and before she left, he started to kiss her and one thing led to another. I don't think I was even a thought in either of their minds but she did tell me that she felt a bit "raw" but enjoyed it nonetheless. As I said, I wasn't totally surprised by that or by her being too tired/worn-out, I think she'd have said that even if they hadn't had one last time.

I was surprised that she offered me to go bare with her, possibly as you said from her feeling guilty. But I think she also well knew that I would question/confirm it with her that would lead as it did. I don't think she was at all surprised that I didn't take her up on her offer, I believe she understands the arousal I feel is partially from not taking advantage of the opportunity. I am realizing that a major component of my arousal is in knowing what my denial leads to me missing. And really, what I feel aroused about is the undelrying knowledge that another man has had her in his way and that I have not been party to it. I can't explain it other than to say that I love knowing another man has had her and that I've not.

I thought about the things that turn me on - and I love that another guy took her virginity and I didn't. That her college boyfriend took her anally so much and I don't. I think back to the lingerie she wore/modeled for me on our first dates and knowing she'd had sex with other guys while wearing it. I love thinking of her on her first honeymoon with her ex-husband and how young and ripe she must have been and that he had that with her and I didn't. And yes, I love the things we've done - I still can get hard with just the thought of the things we did with her IUD both when she had it put in and when she had it removed. Something about knowing another man shared that with her instead of me just so turns me on. I get that same intense arousal knowing Paul has her as he does - and yes, my not going bare with her seems to fit right into that in my head - that it's another thing that so turns me on that she has with another man that I don't get to. Yes, it's weird, I know, but the more I come to understand what turns me on, the more I see how this seems like such a natural fit for me. I can't believe it one hand, after her being away I turned down the opportunity to have her bare - but at the same time - it felt so good to tell her so and to then use a condom with her. It even sounds weird to me when I write it - but at the same time - my god my cock is hard!
 
  • #236
Say STB, a hypothetical question - For e.g. if she asks you to let her spend a week / fortnight at Paul's place - would you let her do it ?
 
  • #237
Steve nice recap as usual. A few things I can't understand though.

1. The confusion on Myrtle Beach vs. Hilton Head? Those two are not even close in distance or their level of a destination. I can understand (maybe) you allowing her go away with Paul and allowing him to have sex all weekend with your wife but I can't understand you not knowing exactly where and when she will be at all times. She may be his lover but she is your wife and a mother and honestly that should trump all. This is the second time Sue has gone away with someone and you have been thrown a curve ball.

2. Everything the three of you are doing seems to be open and on the table. Knowing that why be shy on the phone?

3. Texting takes seconds and are very private so it is not like others would know what or who she is texting with. So why keep you hanging on returning your texts?

Are these things part of some plan you and Sue have to raise your excitement or anxiety level?

Peak said "Be interesting to know who initiated Sue's last time with Paul before she left him on Monday. He must have guessed you might want her when she returned and must have known how tired she already was. Can't really blame him for a final time for the weekend but it is a little unlike him to not consider the consequence." Makes me wonder if Paul might be more of a player than he is given credit for.

I passed along this advice once but I think it is worth saying again. Watch what they do, not what they say.
 
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Steve,
Right from the point over last weekend where Sue had little communication with you and thus you passed little back on to us, I always believed that the whole thing would have some significance. Some catalyst for future change, direction unknown. Sue's behaviour on return, her changed appearance, her lack of spark on Tuesday and her final bareback offer on Wednesday are all indicators that something more than three days of sex happened.

I completely believe you when you say that your turning down the bareback offer was more exciting for you than accepting it at that point. I continue to believe that this myopic obsession is blinding you to Sue's changing feelings over time. You are so excited by it all, you just aren't fully seeing what is happening. It could be that you intuitively saw the bareback offer as a pity/guilt gesture and wanted to wait until it was offered in a more genuine atmosphere but I still see the refusal as a mistake. You have gone the longest I can remember without truly feeling your wife and she asked for a reconnection. She is now equally aware of your obsession with denial so she may not have been surprised by your refusal, but as the Alpha she would have been hurt by the spurn all the same.

As I said some days ago, it may take some days for both of you to reconnect mentally and for both of you to understand the new reality such as it is. It may take a bit longer for you to fully process it and post it here. Interested as I (and others) may be to know, we can't until you fully do, so take your time. If Sue spends time with Paul this weekend, it may feel different and help you digest. Just try to ignore your denial when you do.
 
  • #239
it may be about time to start a new thread with consideration of the continued evolution within there respective relationships (Sue/Steve, Sue/Paul and Steve/Sue/Paul)
 
  • #240
Peak - not sure what to say but I'm not sure there's been any greater significance about this past weekend.
From what I've talked to her about - the changes in her appearance were largely to make her look and feel younger. I hadn't thought about it but she is older than Paul and after she said it I thought that she was probably right in not wanting to feel or look like an old-lady when I guess Paul's friends and their partners are closer to his age.

Golf - excuse me for getting the destination in NC incorrectly - that you'd read some sort of conspiracy theory in that is a bit beyond me. Both Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head are both known golfing destinations but you seem to think it's some plot that I had them confused or that Sue wasn't clear - all she cared about was that she was going away with him as she's not into golf. I was actually happier she was in Myrtle Beach - further north and further away from the bad weather and flooding in the southern/central areas.

Are you all really surprised that she wasn't into talking with me openly with Paul there for her to give me a rundown of what they'd done together? Wow what a sexy thing for her to do with her boyfriend - to talk to her husband on the phone about what she's done with her bf? How awkward and non-sexy would that be and how awkward would that be? I had no expectations of her doing that at night or anytime Paul was around her - not sure why anyone here would think otherwise. She also didn't text me a lot because that's just not how we are normally - so what would I tell my buddy why when I've visited him other times that Sue and I just did what normal married people do - exchange a few short texts and I-love-yous. I sometimes find it hard to understand how people here don't think about how this would be for Sue or I. Plus, again, I never expected her to be texting me with anything sexy or anything out of the norm - that's just not her and in a way - I also didn't expect it from her because she was away with Paul and I don't think her mind/focus was on me. So again, sorry but it just wasn't at all what I expected so others reading conspiracies into this is just kind of beyond me.

I believe I already posted how I fully expected them to have one last quickie - and to be honest - it doesn't surprise me at all and I'd even be disappointed if they hadn't had one last quickie because either of them were thinking of me. As she said to me, it was a mutual thing - he kissed her and one thing led to another.

I'll end this for now by again saying that outside of this sexual fun we're having (she's having) things are very good between us - in a way I'd say we are closer than ever and more importantly is that we are able to talk to each other pretty openly about everything. Peak - you continue to say that you think Sue's feelings are changing and such. You may be right. But neither of us wants to do anything about it right now as to us - it all seems good. Yes, even if some of you can't see it. You see her offering me to have her bare as some sort of desire on her part. I don't feel that at all and I know that if she had wanted it to happen she would have said yes instead of no. What I felt about it was that it's a first time that we have truly made love in a while - the last few times I had intercourse with her was after Paul had just finished with her and while she may have orgasmed with me, this past Wednesday night was truly making love for us. I'm kind of surprised you've downplayed that when it was something substantial and in our talks, she's said she would like to do that more often. Of course that could be all talk, but it didn't sound like it.
 
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