want virgin gf to date others

[Daniel97]

How much time, cost and effort does it take for you to go from your apartment to Jen’s?How much do your circumstances limit opportunities to be with Jen?
From my place to jen it take 1 to 2 hours depending on traffic and fare is few dollars. So I can travel on weekends only.

What is your overall plan regarding Jen and your sexual relations with her?
Hmm tough question rt now I cant see pass my fantasy but I want to have sexual relationship with her but I just find myself unable to proceed.
and i want her to lose her virginity to other.

Do you want a cuckold marriage? Do you want a hotwife?
Once I experience cuckolding I will be able to give better answer but I feel I want hotwife and cuckold marriage with jen.

Is Jen as your life partner your only plan for the future? What would you do without her?
I see jen as my life partner but I am also serious about my life also. It might be deficult for me to get over jen and I don’t know how I will react if we break up but I feel it wont destroy my life but will take lot time to get over her.

Have you ejaculated in front of Jen before? Has she given you a hand job before? Anything more?
Have you ever given Jen an orgasm?
I have only ejaculated in front of jen 2 times and for other questions answer is no. If rubbing outside boxer is not count as handjob.

What is your overall plan in pushing Jen to fulfill your current cuckold fantasy?
Hmm I don’t have much of a plan I want jen to date other guy, the fear of losing her and jealousy actually excite me.

Do you expect the Aaron-Jen relationship to be short term? You did mention a one-month trial. Do you want the trial extended and no longer a trial?
I want them to date for more than one months like for 6months. I feel 1 month is too less for jen and aaron relationship to develop into anything sexual.

Do you expect Jen to tell Aaron in a few weeks that she decided to be exclusive to her boyfriend and end the Aaron-Jen relationship?
I feel Jen want to continue relationship but if she remember our trial period she might end it with aaron. I want her to continue.

Are you prepared for or desirous of Jen having an ongoing fuckbuddy relationship with Aaron?
I am prepared.

What rights to Jen would you want Aaron to have in the future?
Hmm tough question

Are you prepared for Jen to be exclusive with Aaron, reducing you to friend only status, for some unknown period? Perhaps forever?
For some unknown period I am prepared but forever no.

Most high school couples eventually break up when they go to different colleges. Getting Jen to date Aaron adds to that risk. How much risk of losing Jen to Aaron or a future Aaron are you willing to accept?
I don’t want to lose jen but I know many young relationship break in different college and there are possibility that jen could have found another guy with my doing anything. So I think aaron is just acting like catalyst to that risk while having my fantasy.

Do you two intend to go to the same college next year or next after that?
We both have totalky different fields of study so it might not be possible.

Is Jen a submissive? Are you a submissive?
Jen is shy and bit submissive but during date she know what she want, she is just sexually inexperienced. I feel I am submissive as many times I fantasised about being slave or sissy to jen and her lover.

To what degree do you dominate Jen? It appears obvious that Aaron can dominate Jen.
I don’t know if I have ever dominated jen but I am very persuasive about my fantasy. Ibdont know if aaron cab dominate her because we don’t know about aaron except for few kisses. Why do you feel its obvious he can dominate jen.

To what degree is Jen playing with Aaron as an act of love toward you? To what degree are other rationales and drivers for Jen in play? Does she now want this adventure?
I don’t want jen to do this just for me I want her to enjoy herself and experience other guys. Its depends on jen how far is she willing to take it.

Aside from deceiving Aaron, what are Jen’s greatest concerns or fears?
I feel she is bit concern that I want open relationship and that I also want to date other girl which I have told her clearly I wont. Another is jen don’t want to be seen as a girl who cheat on her bf and date other guys.

Jen has told you so far: 1. Aaron is spending most time with Jen; in class, at lunch, after class, on dates, and now the entire weekend. 2. Jen finds him interesting, romantic, sexy, and fun. Other girls like him for her. 3. Aaron is good looking, has a good body, and is a better kisser than you. 4. Aaron is more assertive, more world-wise, more confident, more exciting, better positioned for dates having a car, knows the city better, and provides more novel experiences than you. 5. Aaron got her so hot and bothered by sexy kissing that she didn’t notice him holding her breasts. 6. When she did notice, she kept on kissing. Breast holding used to be for you alone. 7. Jen admitted that breast holding now is the starting point for Aaron. How do you feel about these Jen admissions?
I talked jen into this fantasy to hear her say this thinks about aaron I like humiliation. And know aaron is more man than me.

What are you going to do to step up your game given Jen’s admissions regarding Aaron?
I will try to continue what I am doing and give jen space to grow her relationship with aaron.

Jen said ‘she is ready’. She was hot and bothered with Aaron on Friday and with you on Saturday.
She was ready to do it with me not aaron but I don’t know even if we have continued how far we would have taken it since we did not have condom or anything so we would have stoped in middle.

Has she talked with you more about being conflicted by being hot and bothered by two different boy friends?
Nope

When she masturbated after you left Saturday was she primarily thinking of Aaron or you?
Only jen will know. Maybe I will ask her.

 

[BabyBoy]

I really don't think Jen will leave you! It sounds like she is enjoying this as much as you are! But she is ready for sex and I hope you two find happiness and joy in your sex life! I hope your fantasy is fulfilled and Aaron takes her virginity and the keep dating for awhile, then you get her back fully! I love to see happy couples doing what they like! Please keep us updated!

 

[George]

Daniel,
Thanks for your reply. I feel Aaron shows dominance of Jen in how quickly he held her breasts without her objection.

I understand your natural tendency is to let things happen. But in fact your guidance has been critical in starting Jen down the Aaron path. I think you should thoughtfully continue to influnce events. This risk of loss of control sounds like fun, but loss of being relevant to Jen is not fun at all. I think you should override some of your 'stand back' natural tendencies and error on the side of interacting with and influencing Jen. Not doing things likely looks to Jen as weakness and indifference. She is worried by your 'date others', 'lose your virginity' requests/pleas/demands means you now or soon will love her less and treat her more as an object to satisfy your selfish fantasies. Or you are too weak to be there for her. Either way or both, you need to be there, and be active, supportive, and more assertive than you have been so far.

You say you want to give Jen space to develop her relationship with Aaron. But this is not just a Jen-Aaron relationship. It is a Jen-Daniel relationship with an Aaron insertion. Your actions support and demonstrate that in your desire Aaron is an 'add-on' to your relationship with Jen. You need to reconcile in your mind and actions your conflicting views.

My comments are designed to help you keep Jen as a life partner. I think that should be your key objective.

I fully agree with BabyBoy's hopes. Take steps to help them be true.

Given the two hour travel time, you need to go to her, occasionally in mid-week. You will have to work on her in being OK with roommates and friends knowing she has two boyfriends at the same time. And if Aaron finds out and gets mad some weeks from now, OK. Good riddance Aaron. There is a never ending pool of future Aarons. You are the one who is permanent.

 

[BabyBoy]

This is a women worth keeping! She came to you after Aaron turned her on! This is a good sign that this is healthy! I agree with George, there is a unlimited guys for this! Since she seems to keep you at heart if he doesn't work talk to her about looking for another! Keep up the awesomeness!

 

[tfx]

Daniel from how you describe Aaron, and the fact that you are lying to him to his face, get prepared for an ass kicking. He's going to beat the crap out of you. You're being totally selfish and messing around with someones feelings, and its not fair to him or to Jen... all for your self gratification. Sorry to rain on the parade guys but imagine you were Aaron and you get strong feelings for someone only to find out that it was a big joke played on you. I think you'd feel like shit after and some of you would want a little payback.

 

[George]

Have to agree. That is why Jen insisted on telling Aaron she has a boyfriend. Aaron likely will wind up viewing Jen as a good fuck, actually worth his time and effort. But Daniel? Aaron will learn that Daniel is lying to him and in Aaron's eyes is making Aaron a fool and object of ridicule. A Daniel butt kicking is one of Daniel's smaller problems. Creating an Aaron enemy in the midst of his college friendships is a bigger problem. But the key problem is the loss of Jen. Daniel is realistic that he may lose her anyway if they don't go to the same college, but he is playing with fire.

While we can cheer Daniel on in activating his cuck desires -- while we can help him have a successful adventure -- while we can help him manage the many downsides -- while we can help him reduce his risk of losing Jen -- I suspect most readers would suggest he wait activating his cuckiness until he and Jen are in a stable marriage.

Most of us applaud cuckholding when it strengthens the marital relationship. Most disapprove cuckolding for shellfish reasons imposed by one partner upon the other, however recognizing there are many versions of mutual accommodation, and that the surface aspects may hide different underlying dynamics. So knowing only what we read, we tend to withhold judgment.

My sincere suggestion to Daniel is: Play with Jen, expressing your honest cuck desires, because you have already started on this path and are already committed. But:
1) Keep the Aaron dating, he is falling in love with you game, a game you both play.
2) Bring the Aaron game to an end shortly after he takes her virginity. The Aaron game should be a short episode that has an end. ("I'm going back to my boyfriend--thanks for the experience.")
3) Do not use this first cuck game as a time to play with Jen-Aaron emotional commitments.
4) Make love to Jen every week after she loses her virginity.
5) Only if Jen readily accepts, make the Aaron game a single episode to be possibly repeated months later with a different boy within a situation that has less emotion laden facts.
6) Divert your cuck desires into more tame 'doing together' games that can excite you both. For example: Take her to a party wearing a sexy outfit you picked out. Have her flirt and play the slut. Let guys do things on the dance floor. Then take her home and make love to her while you both laugh about the game you played.
7) Always, always support her and be there for her, regardless of what happens. You are her rock.

 

[Sam_in_MA]

Daniel

I think you are making a selfish mistake. You are thinking about what you want, about your fantasy and not thinking about what Jen may want or have dreamt of. She has known you as a classmate, friend and bf for such a long time, no doubt she has fantasized of giving you her most precious gift.

Trust me when I tell you that she will be disappointed and regret letting someone else have that present, especially under these terms, your terms and your manipulation. Think of how it is going to affect her relationships with other me the rest of her life, knowing she was manipulated.

No matter what happens with Aaron, if you continue this path you will lose Jen not only as a gf but as a friend and I think you will greatly regret this.

Please take a moment to think of Jen and her feelings instead of just your own and your fantasy.

 

[George]

Sam,
Thank you for making a stringer statement than I. I should have mentioned the wisdom of stopping the game now. Perhaps Daniel thinks that 'giving her/them space' is equivalent, but it is not. His desires are driving the action.

 

[ngl1145]

He's being selfish and messing with another guys mind to get his fantasy to come true. In the end with regardless of how far his girlfriend gets, Daniel wants her back n the big picture (future). He already knows that Aaron wants exclusivity. If he goes on, this is deceitful. If Aaron knew that she was Daniel's girlfriend and that he wants him to sleep with her, that would be a different story.

 

[tfx]

Yeah... now is not the time i'm afraid. You have your whole life to still get into the lifestyle, but when you do you can make sure it's consensual and that no one ends up being hurt. If you really care for Jen and value Aaron on any level you really should put an end to this now while you still can and re-visit it later. Sam put it quite well... you should take his advice.

 

[jwff]

Daniel

I think you are making a selfish mistake. You are thinking about what you want, about your fantasy and not thinking about what Jen may want or have dreamt of. She has known you as a classmate, friend and bf for such a long time, no doubt she has fantasized of giving you her most precious gift.

Trust me when I tell you that she will be disappointed and regret letting someone else have that present, especially under these terms, your terms and your manipulation.

I must offer the most stringent objection to the terminology used here. "Her most precious gift?". Are we to understand her as some sort of walking hymen, whose sole value lies in her virginity? Were I a woman, I imagine I would find this line of thinking remarkably offensive.

***

Daniel has made it clear in his posts that his bond with Jen is on a intellectual and emotional level. He remains committed to her irregardless of how or if the sexual aspect of their relationship materializes. That is a very mature way to think; he should be lauded for it.

I don't see the 'manipulation' suggested by Sam_in_MA, ngl1145 or tfx. If anything Daniel has taken the high road by candidly discussing his interests and desires with Jen. He's been remarkably open through the whole thing, and again, he should be lauded for it.

As for tfx's suggestions about Aaron, I can only say: This is f**king college. Everyone dates around, with a lot of people. You try to hit it off with all sorts of people, knowing full well that most of it will go nowhere. Aaron might be a bit peeved if when he figures out that Jen and Daniel are together; on the other hand, he might not. Considering that they've been on exactly two dates so far, I can say that the commitment level so far is pretty small.

 

[ngl1145]

I must offer the most stringent objection to the terminology used here. "Her most precious gift?". Are we to understand her as some sort of walking hymen, whose sole value lies in her virginity? Were I a woman, I imagine I would find this line of thinking remarkably offensive.

***

Daniel has made it clear in his posts that his bond with Jen is on a intellectual and emotional level. He remains committed to her irregardless of how or if the sexual aspect of their relationship materializes. That is a very mature way to think; he should be lauded for it.

I don't see the 'manipulation' suggested by Sam_in_MA, ngl1145 or tfx. If anything Daniel has taken the high road by candidly discussing his interests and desires with Jen. He's been remarkably open through the whole thing, and again, he should be lauded for it.

As for tfx's suggestions about Aaron, I can only say: This is f**king college. Everyone dates around, with a lot of people. You try to hit it off with all sorts of people, knowing full well that most of it will go nowhere. Aaron might be a bit peeved if when he figures out that Jen and Daniel are together; on the other hand, he might not. Considering that they've been on exactly two dates so far, I can say that the commitment level so far is pretty small.

Jwff, He's open with Jen. That I give him credit for. He's manipulating Aaron and that's just wrong. He's telling Aaron to date her telling him that he's not her boyfriend when in fact Daniel still wants Jen as his secret girlfriend but to date other guys.

 

[tfx]

I don't see the 'manipulation' suggested by Sam_in_MA, ngl1145 or tfx. If anything Daniel has taken the high road by candidly discussing his interests and desires with Jen. He's been remarkably open through the whole thing, and again, he should be lauded for it.

As for tfx's suggestions about Aaron, I can only say: This is f**king college. Everyone dates around, with a lot of people. You try to hit it off with all sorts of people, knowing full well that most of it will go nowhere. Aaron might be a bit peeved if when he figures out that Jen and Daniel are together; on the other hand, he might not. Considering that they've been on exactly two dates so far, I can say that the commitment level so far is pretty small.

Daniel and Jen have not told him the truth. Daniel has lied to him on a bunch of occasions and is saying things and doing things to force a result that he wants. That is the definition of manipulation.

In college people do fuck around and cheat etc. and get upset and cry and lose friends over it and get their asses kicked. You're forgetting that part... that happens in college too.
Daniels going to do what he wants, i'm just letting him know that there is a possible scenario that he needs to consider. That he will lose Aaron as a friend and possibly a circle of friends; it will get out in the public domain and he'll be treated like a leper.

 

[George]

it will be interesting how Daniel responds to these varying suggestions and interpretations.
In the meantime, Aaron likely spent the day with Jen again. Some say he's had only two dates with Jen, but actually he's already spent many dates worth of time, conversation, and holding hands with her. Every school day is a date.
My hope is whatever Daniel chooses he will be more assertive, more direct, and less deviously pulling strings from the shadows in the name of giving them space.
At least, Daniel needs to assure Jen of his permanent, unconditional love, and thankfulness that she is doing these things for him.
I think Daniel, if he continues, should agree with Jen that he will immediately come clean with Aaron, and admit to Aaron that he talked Jen into dating him, but now she likes dating and kissing Aaron, and that Aaron has a legitimate chance to take Jen away from him.

 

[jwff]

Daniel and Jen have not told him the truth. Daniel has lied to him on a bunch of occasions and is saying things and doing things to force a result that he wants. That is the definition of manipulation.

In college people do fuck around and cheat etc. and get upset and cry and lose friends over it and get their asses kicked. You're forgetting that part... that happens in college too.
Daniels going to do what he wants, i'm just letting him know that there is a possible scenario that he needs to consider. That he will lose Aaron as a friend and possibly a circle of friends; it will get out in the public domain and he'll be treated like a leper.

Eh, I'm not persuaded by this line of argument. He might lose Aaron as a friend, but... they've only known each other for a few weeks - some loss. It isn't like they're old war buddies.

As for Aaron's part in this, I basically see him as angling to get into Jen's pants; considering the Daniel is doing his best to help him get there, I think that it's would be a bit difficult for Aaron to be credibly angry under the circumstances. At best, he might assume that he's simply taking advantage of Daniel's weakness; at worst, he might view Daniel as a bit of a weirdo, but considering that he goes to Jen's college and not Daniel's, I imagine fallout would be limited.

I would be in a position to agree with you if, say, Aaron admitted to him a deep and heartfelt connection to Jen, or if there were substantial evidence that he was treating this as something much more than a fling. But all involved are only two weeks into all of this, and I just don't see any evidence of this from what Daniel has shared, or any reason to assume it from 'reading between the lines'. If this situation were ever to emerge, I'd echo your sentiment. But we're just not there.

Anyway, with all opinion's aired, I hope Daniel will soon return to give us his take.

 

[Daniel97]

Some update for last few days as expected jen is spending a lot a time with aaron in college. And yesterday aaron came to jen room and made out with her. Jen was bit reluctant to share details but she says they did not did anything what we haven’t done. Aaron asked her again if she have decided to be exclusive for this weekend and jen agreed. I wont be having any date with jen this weekend.

Few days ago jen told me about aaron request and Jen wanted to talk to me before deciding anything. I told her to go for it as we will be together for thanksgiving. Jen told me she also thought so and aaron deserves that since he have been very understanding and kind towards her we are playing with his feeling but she wanted to know if I was ok with it. I assured her aaron is big boy and can take care of himself and I am ok with her dating aaron only during this weekend.

I know people think I am deceiving aaron, they are right and I deserve an ass kicking from aaron when he will come to know about truth. But people are kind of blowing it out of proportions. We don’t know if aaron is serious about jen or not. Everyone have lies to others to gain something and I have done the same. Aaron used me to get jen to talk to him and learn few details about her so he used me and I am using aaron. If aaron decided to get serious with jen I will let him know the truth and maybe receive the asskicking everyone wants me to get

That’s the quick update for now I did not want to go into details.
I am getting lot of different responses from people some positive while other negative. And some are confusing me and making me question my fantasy but I have decided I want to go forward with my fantasy and hope for the best.

 

[George]

Daniel, don't worry about the comments, but learn what you can from them. All commenters know only a very little about your situation. BUT, they are all trying to help you. Yes, we are sometimes overblown as we anticipate what might happen, bur each of us has good intentions.

Please share your thoughts, Jen's thoughts and your experiences. I hope you tell us more.

 

[jwff]

I am getting lot of different responses from people some positive while other negative. And some are confusing me and making me question my fantasy but I have decided I want to go forward with my fantasy and hope for the best.

Take it from me - the longest and most popular threads on these forums are always contentious. The fact that you get so many comments means people are taking an interest in your story.

If you go and take a look at some of the threads run by forum stalwart SoonToBe, you'll find the 'doom-and-gloom' crowd periodically makes appearances - i.e suggestions that his wife is about to leave him and elope with her lover, etc. There have been some hiccups here and there, but he's still going strong 7-8 years on.

That said, I think that this forum tends to be much more open-minded than some similar sites. The crowd at places like OHW tend to be a lot quicker to judge.

 

[Saraha]

Daniel, don't worry about the comments, but learn what you can from them. All commenters know only a very little about your situation. BUT, they are all trying to help you. Yes, we are sometimes overblown as we anticipate what might happen, bur each of us has good intentions.

Please share your thoughts, Jen's thoughts and your experiences. I hope you tell us more.

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Jen/Aaron have been dating for only two weeks - far too early for them to know what the future holds for them - but I feel that it is only a matter of time before they will become lovers. The stage is set - it will happen.

Marriage could be 3-4 years away.

 

[Daniel97]

thanks everyone for showing interest in my situation. it will try to talk with aaron and try to get few details about things he planned for her.

One thing that i dont understand is why do people always associate virginity with love and marriage in this forum. jen might never forget the guy who will take virginity but that does not mean she will marry him and spend rest of her life with him.

Few people asked me how far i want their relationship to develop or do i want to see jen get pregnant with aaron child.
i want jen to date aaron for 6month to 1 year. while it excite me if jen have unprotected sex with aaron and become pregnant with his child but i dont want this part of my fantasy to become reality, i dont want jen to become pregnant. But its jens decision how far she want to take her relationship with aaron.

Off-topic : please recommend nice and long cuckold stories set in college or high school.
last week i read "stolen innocence" in kindle it was a story about Reverend's daughter who lost her virginity to playboy instead of her boyfriend.