want virgin gf to date others

[HappyFace]

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[Saraha]

Take it from me - the longest and most popular threads on these forums are always contentious. The fact that you get so many comments means people are taking an interest in your story.

If you go and take a look at some of the threads run by forum stalwart SoonToBe, you'll find the 'doom-and-gloom' crowd periodically makes appearances - i.e suggestions that his wife is about to leave him and elope with her lover, etc. There have been some hiccups here and there, but he's still going strong 7-8 years on.

That said, I think that this forum tends to be much more open-minded than some similar sites. The crowd at places like OHW tend to be a lot quicker to judge.

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Jennifer and Aaron have only been together two weeks - too early for us to be jumping to conclusions how this will pan out, but I feel they are on track to become lovers.

Plan B is at least one other girl is interested in dating Aaron, even though Jennifer is his preferred "trophy girl".

 

[tfx]

Eh, I'm not persuaded by this line of argument. He might lose Aaron as a friend, but... they've only known each other for a few weeks - some loss. It isn't like they're old war buddies.

As for Aaron's part in this, I basically see him as angling to get into Jen's pants; considering the Daniel is doing his best to help him get there, I think that it's would be a bit difficult for Aaron to be credibly angry under the circumstances. At best, he might assume that he's simply taking advantage of Daniel's weakness; at worst, he might view Daniel as a bit of a weirdo, but considering that he goes to Jen's college and not Daniel's, I imagine fallout would be limited.

I would be in a position to agree with you if, say, Aaron admitted to him a deep and heartfelt connection to Jen, or if there were substantial evidence that he was treating this as something much more than a fling. But all involved are only two weeks into all of this, and I just don't see any evidence of this from what Daniel has shared, or any reason to assume it from 'reading between the lines'. If this situation were ever to emerge, I'd echo your sentiment. But we're just not there.

Anyway, with all opinion's aired, I hope Daniel will soon return to give us his take.

I hope it turns out, i really do and i don't want him to get his ass kicked which is why i mentioned he needs to consider some other scenarios playing out and consider all the players involved.

 

[Daniel97]

Jen is having second thought about her relationship with aaron. Today jen and aaron were making out at her room, aaron pulled removed her shirt started opening her jeans but jen stopped him.

Jen told me she and aaron discussed about their relationship, jen wants to take their relationship slow and dont want to rush things. She said aaron looked disappointed agreed and told her he wont force jen into doing things she is not ready.

Jen told me they kissed and cuddle in bed while talking for an hour before jen kissed him goodbye. I asked jen if she is falling in love with aaron. She was bit reluctant to tell but kept asking her. She ask she has feeling for aaron but not sure if its love.

Hearing about her making out with aaron and other things was too much and i begin masturbating while taking to her. Jen must have realised from my voice what i was doing because she got angry and hung up.

I called her many times but did not take my calls. I messaged her multiple times finally she sent angry smiley and said she forgive me. And i should prepare a apology gift for her.

I an planning on going to her room tomorow and spend time with her since i wont see her on weekend.

 

[George]

Good, absolutely go see her. If you can take a thoughtful, perfectly appropriate gift, even better. At minimum take flowers, if possible her favorites.

Not telling you to do anything! But I suggest you consider a radical change in your plan and lovingly take Jen's virginity during your Thanksgiving. Then hours or a day later while being comfortably cuddling intimate, tell her she has the freedom if she wishes give herself to Aaron -- regardless you will always love and respect her.

 

[jwff]

Hearing about her making out with aaron and other things was too much and i begin masturbating while taking to her. Jen must have realised from my voice what i was doing because she got angry and hung up.

I called her many times but did not take my calls. I messaged her multiple times finally she sent angry smiley and said she forgive me. And i should prepare a apology gift for her.

This sounds like a point where the two of you should sit down and have a chat about how things are going, because it sound's like Jen might be out of her comfort zone.

Both of you should discuss what you do and don't like about the current situation. Be honest about your desires and your interests. Ask Jen to speak in depth about the current situation, and about how she feels.

A good approach here is to use open, as opposed to closed questions. Closed questions are simple yes / no queries that don't engage the respondent. Open questions encourage the respondent to answer in detail.

So, for example:

Closed: "Do you want to keep see Aaron?" (This is a less useful question, because Jen can simply answer yes or no, without providing context)

Open: "What are you feelings about seeing Aaron?" (This is a better question, because it encourages a more detailed answer)

One of the other things that you should talk about is your own interests. You like hearing about Jen's interactions with Aaron - it's something that turns you on. Make sure that Jen understands this, so that when you press her for details, she knows that she's fulfilling your desires, and doesn't worry that you're interrogating / grilling her.

Be frank about what kind of play you'd like to do. Do you want to Jen to tease you, or make humiliating remarks? (i.e small penis mocking, etc.) Do you want her to flaunt her relationship with Aaron, and inspire jealousy? Let her know! You can't guarantee that she'll be willing to fulfill your desires, but at least she'll have an idea of what you're into.

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One of the big areas you should discuss is limits - basically what each of you wants do and do not want to do.

From your descriptions, it sounds like Jen has serious anxieties about: 1) Developing feelings of intimacy with Aaron. and 2) Becoming sexually intimate with Aaron. You should talk about and address each of these.

Part of it might be that Jen is worried about offending you with these developments. You should reassure her that you are committed to your relationship with her, and will remain dedicated to her no matter how things develop with Aaron.

However, it may be that Jen simply doesn't feel ready to fulfill some parts of your fantasy at this point. You need to listen to your GF carefully, and if she does have major objections at this stage, you should discuss backpedalling on the cuckold play for now.

I know it can be very discouraging to take a step back when things have gone so far in the last few weeks, but if your GF has serious concerns, you need to respect her position. Keep in mind that, just like Rome, most Cuckold relationships weren't built in a day. If you take a look at the superb example set by forum user SoonToBe, you'll see that he had many false starts, where he took a few steps back when the cuckold dynamic moved into places that made him or his wife feel uncomfortable. Despite this, nowadays he and his wife are working the cuckold dynamic in ways that they couldn't have imagined a few years ago - taking a little while to back up and catch your breath doesn't mean that you're giving up entirely.

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Once you've discuss your limits, you should both come up with an idea of precisely where you want to take this fetish, together, at least for the near future, and a promise to get together and talk later when the situation changes. Right now, Jen seems a bit lost as to whether how her relationship with Aaron should progress, if at all. Having a clear understand of how you both want to proceed will help dispel any uncertainty.

Some areas you should come to a firm agreement on might include:

1) How far does this relationship extend? Are you both okay with Jen developing feelings? How intimate (physically) should Aaron and Jen become, should things progress in that direction?

2) What are your expectations for each other? For you, it might be that Jen let you know about the details of her interactions with Aaron. Jen will have expectations too, perhaps regarding a heightened level of attention from you, or perhaps a firm commitment not to judge or condemn her for her action with Aaron. Make sure to get an understanding of what your GF expects from you.

3) What is the position to be adopted vis-à-vis Aaron? That is, what are the rules that Jen will give to him? Should Jen tell Aaron that this is strictly a casual / no-commitment relationship? Or will you leave this open?

4) What are the limits or endpoints of this play? What things are out of the question, and under what circumstances should you stop / take a break from the cuckold dynamic? (For instance, if one of you feels hurt / isolated / disconnected, etc)

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To Recap:

1) Have a discussion about each of your likes and dislikes with the current play. Be honest about what you want and what turns you on. If Jen is having second thoughts, strongly consider taking a break from cuckolding while you work out her concerns.

2) Establish limits. Make sure you know what Jen does and doesn't want to do, and inform her likewise for yourself.

3) Decide on the road forward. Establish your expectations from one another, and set the boundaries of your play.

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One thing that i dont understand is why do people always associate virginity with love and marriage in this forum. jen might never forget the guy who will take virginity but that does not mean she will marry him and spend rest of her life with him.

I think that a big part of the fantasy, for a lot of people, is the idea that their hotwife / cuckoldress is being lead around by her pussy. Sometimes, this idea leaks into people's writing / judgements.

 

[George]

i was hoping someone else would mention this, but I guess it's up to me.
Daniel, Jen may be getting tired of performing for you so you can masturbate. You are supposed to love her, not use her. She's feeling used. Worse, she's feeling unloved. She's not a performing monkey.

Please today and over Thanksgiving put her needs and wants first. Among those is her "I'm ready" desire. Her "I'm ready" comment couldn't be more clear. She wants someone to make love with her. And that someone is you, not Aaron. You should respect her wishes.

As it stands you you have left her to fight a battle she knows she will lose as you push her and Aaron works to seduce her. She is not happy about you putting her in this position. She feels you are putting your fantasy ahead of your love for her. She may want to play, but with you, not for you.

Make love to her over Thanksgiving. Honor her. Worship her body. Make love to her early enough so you can repeat lovemaking before she leaves. Why? Because the first time for virgins generally doesn't work well. Subsequent times are better.

Good luck.

 

[jwff]

Please today and over Thanksgiving put her needs and wants first. Among those is her "I'm ready" desire. Her "I'm ready" comment couldn't be more clear. She wants someone to make love with her. And that someone is you, not Aaron. You should respect her wishes.

George, I think that you may be reading a little too much into this. I think Daniel's earlier comment - which I agree with - bears repeating.

One thing that i dont understand is why do people always associate virginity with love and marriage in this forum. jen might never forget the guy who will take virginity but that does not mean she will marry him and spend rest of her life with him.

I think that sitting down and hashing out the couple's respective desires and concerns where this should be headed. There's no rush for anyone to be losing their virginity.

 

[Daniel97]

i was hoping someone else would mention this, but I guess it's up to me.
Daniel, Jen may be getting tired of performing for you so you can masturbate. You are supposed to love her, not use her. She's feeling used. Worse, she's feeling unloved. She's not a performing monkey.

Please today and over Thanksgiving put her needs and wants first. Among those is her "I'm ready" desire. Her "I'm ready" comment couldn't be more clear. She wants someone to make love with her. And that someone is you, not Aaron. You should respect her wishes.

As it stands you you have left her to fight a battle she knows she will lose as you push her and Aaron works to seduce her. She is not happy about you putting her in this position. She feels you are putting your fantasy ahead of your love for her. She may want to play, but with you, not for you.

Make love to her over Thanksgiving. Honor her. Worship her body. Make love to her early enough so you can repeat lovemaking before she leaves. Why? Because the first time for virgins generally doesn't work well. Subsequent times are better.

Good luck.

thanks George for your comment, i know you are trying to help me not lose jen. but first let me tell you about my fantasy for more than a year i have been fantasising about jen losing her virginity to guy other than me, its the most important part of my sexual fantasy. I love the pain, humiliation and jealously at the thought of jen losing her virginity, i get off on those emotions.

jen maybe not ready to lose her virginity to aaron i won't force her to do anything she doesn't want, its jen decision to whom she want to lose her virginity. but still i will try my best to fulfill my fantasy. i know it sound selfish but i just cant stop thinking about anything.

to the people who think i will lose jen i know i am acting like a spoiled brat and playing with fire, but i believe our relationship will be able to overcome it.

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i talked with jen today morning and she was not angry. tonight i am going to apologise to jen in person and let her know how much hearing about aaron and her excites me.

 

[George]

Good, Daniel. Be good to Jen. Virginity loss is not important in the long term. But most women consider it very important in the immediate term. You and Jen live in the immediate term. How you treat Jen today and over Thanksgiving will impact your short- and long-term relationship. You are at a 'cusp event'. Please be thoughtful and considerate of her needs. Best wishes.

 

[Daniel97]

Today i spent much needed quality time with Jen. I didnt brought up my fantasy and we just talked about us. But we did have a talk about aaron and weekend dates.

She told me on saturday aaron wants jen to spent day in his room watching movies and want jen to get to know more about him and his life and vice versa. Aaron assured her he wont do anything she is not ready for and asked if she wanted to change plan for saturday.

I asked her the same question i asked before what does she feel about aaron. She said she like him and loved spending time with him and he is more than a friend, she like him a lot but she loves me. She told me she aaron might dump her when she said she already have a bf and want to take thing slow. But he have been very kind and considerate about her feeling and have not done anything inappropriate.

I was too excited hearing jen talk about aaron with such emotions. I wanted to touch my self right there in dinner table. I am glad jen did not notice my discomfort or hardon.

After dinner i walked her to her room, since it was getting late and cold we decided to kiss each other goodbye.

I think jen is starting to have feeling about aaron, a part of me just want to go to aaron and beat the shit out of him I don’t know why since aaron did not do anything wrong and if I tried he will easily kick my ass. But I cant stop getting turn on by thought of jen falling in love with aaron. Jealousy and emotional pain excite me more than anything.

 

[jwff]

Today i spent much needed quality time with Jen. I didnt brought up my fantasy and we just talked about us.

It's completely understandable that you spent the day just reconnecting. I would, however, suggest that you try to have some further discussion with Jen about your mutual desires, comfort zones and expectations some time in the near future. Maybe before or after she tells you about her date with Aaron?

Thanks for sharing; looking forward to hearing how things go over the weekend.

 

[Saraha]

Daniel and Jennifer have been in love since 9 years of age, and are expecting to marry when their education has been completed.

Aaron and Jennifer have been dating for a couple of weeks with Daniel's encouragement, and Daniel is now becoming very eager to be first to take Jen's virginity. He has made an attempt to pull her jeans off, but Jen said she wasn't ready to go that far and pushed his hand away.

Aaron didn't spend enough time "above the belly button carressing face, neck, arms, breasts, love bites over a number of weeks. When the top half of Jennifer falls COMPLETELY in love with Aaron, she will CRAVE to be touched down below automatically.

Women like to dream about what can happen between her and a man, so once her dreams grow powerful from repetition, she will move towards wanting/expecting it to happen. (Aaron is jumping ahead of her dream).

Aaron probably had a full-on sexual relationship with his ex girlfriend over 18 months, until he/she realised a long distance relationship was going to be too much for them. They mutually agreed to call their friendship off.

Aaron has been quick to promise he will take things slower with Jennifer, but he has played his hand of wanting sex with her, so it will happen sometime in the next few months.

Jennifer is falling in love with this handsome, sporty man who has already placed her on a pedestal and is taking her around in his car, fussing over her, and landing kisses in the right places.

LOVE BITES are a natural progression of ownership marking her body and showing he is "definitely into her".

Can Jennifer be in love with two boyfriends at the same time, without having to choose which one she loves the most or scaring off one by stating precisely who she will eventually marry.

Sex will superglue Daniel and Jen together long-term, and Aaron will get to meet Jen's mother. That would be a big milestone.

Jennifer likes having two boyfriends - but I am surprised that Daniel can't trust Jen enough (after 9 years) to explain carefully to Jen that his fantasy is that he wants Jen to lose her virginity to another man.

She needs to know WHY she should lose her virginity to another man. Jen did ask Daniel if he wanted her to have sex with Aaron - Daniel had a chance to say YES, but he was suddenly nervous........then the moment was gone.

I think girls find it hard to seperate love from sex, because they don't like their bodies to be used by someone who intends to fuck and run. Lots of virgins have been notches on a guy's belt or bedpost.

Some men use sex as batting practice. Fuck 30 young woman, try a few cougars and then settle down with a wife.

"Virginity belongs to a future husband" is a belief in many cultures.

I wonder whether something in Daniel's inner mind wants him to be drawn into a "better man struggle challenge" to see who walks Jennifer down the aisle?

At the moment the love triangle is Jen/Aaron together 5 days a week, Jen/Daniel 2 days a week = is this a glimpse of how a cuckold marriage would work in Daniel's mind?

If this goes on for 3 more years, nothing will break Aaron and Jennifer up.

Aaron doesn't even know he can make Jennifer a "keeper" and possibly marry her - he does not need to worry about a "boyfriend still hanging around". 5:2 the cards are stacked in his favor, just needs to "stay in the game" and show Jennifer how much fun they can have together.

Part of the fantasy appears to be not telling Jennifer that Daniel wants sloppy seconds and the right to "stir another man's sperm porridge".

If Jennifer reads some more cuckold literature and feels the confidence to give Daniel the "big talk" --- "I want you to wear a chastity device ASAP; and for the next 3 years, "I am going to fuck Aaron only, and you can do cleanup duties, and be released from your cage for a weekly prostrate milking by mum who will be the Keyholder", I wonder how Daniel would handle that progression?

 

[Saraha]

She said she like him and loved spending time with him and he is MORE than a friend, she like him a lot but she loves me.

But he have been very kind and considerate about her feeling and have not done anything inappropriate.

I was too excited hearing jen talk about aaron with such emotions.

I think jen is starting to have feeling about aaron, a part of me just want to go to aaron and beat the shit out of him

I don’t know why since aaron did not do anything wrong and if I tried he will easily kick my ass.

But I cant stop getting turn on by thought of jen falling in love with aaron.

Jealousy and emotional pain excite me more than anything.

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Aaron is the perfect bull to turn you into a fully obedient cuckold who could yet get to keep his car clean/polished.
Are you good at housework or cooking, coz they will need breakfast in bed at some point?

 

[Saraha]

I think Daniel should stick firmly to his fantasy of not marrying a virgin. :clap::yumyum:

 

[Daniel97]

If Jennifer reads some more cuckold literature and feels the confidence to give Daniel the "big talk" --- "I want you to wear a chastity device ASAP; and for the next 3 years, "I am going to fuck Aaron only, and you can do cleanup duties, and be released from your cage for a weekly prostrate milking by mum who will be the Keyholder", I wonder how Daniel would handle that progression?

i would love to get humiliated by jen and kept in chastity as a virgin for next 3 years but the thought of not being able to have sex with Jennifer for next 3 years or masturbrating is too much. i dont know if i would be able to do that.

i always wanted to try wearing a chastity device and I am thinking after thanksgiving i will buy one and see how long can i go without masturbation. Does the long time chastity actually shrink penis. I love small penis humiliation but my penis is average sized is there a way to temporary shrunk it with lasting side effects. I have heard there is a drug that shrink your penis to peanut size but it have very bad high.

I wonder whether something in Daniel's inner mind wants him to be drawn into a "better man struggle challenge" to see who walks Jennifer down the aisle?

I feel so too thought of losing jen to a better man make me go mad with jealousy and lust. It excite me beyond words but it’s a part of fantasy I don’t want to become reality I want jen marry me.
Another thing I don’t want jen and aaron to date for 3years, I want them to date for lesser time and then jen can move to another guy. But all this is jen's choice if she want to continue dating aaron she can do that or if she does not want to date anyone I would be disappointed but it but I don’t want to control jens life.

Aaron is the perfect bull to turn you into a fully obedient cuckold who could yet get to keep his car clean/polished.Are you good at housework or cooking, coz they will need breakfast in bed at some point?

 I wont say I am good but I know the basic things about cooking and housework. Enough to get them coffee and breakfast in the morning.

Part of the fantasy appears to be not telling Jennifer that Daniel wants sloppy seconds and the right to "stir another man's sperm porridge".

I don’t want to dump too much on jen just yet. She still haven’t even seen his penis yet so sloppy seconds are far away. Instead of sloppy seconds I would love to eat her creampie. I have eater my sperm many times I don’t like the taste but it does not make me puke and would love to eat jen and aaron juice from jen pussy.

LOVE BITES are a natural progression of ownership marking her body and showing he is "definitely into her".

It will be awesome if aaron leave few hickey in jen for her bf (me) to find. And few in the places which I haven’t even seen yet.

 

[jwff]

i always wanted to try wearing a chastity device and I am thinking after thanksgiving i will buy one and see how long can i go without masturbation. Does the long time chastity actually shrink penis. I love small penis humiliation but my penis is average sized is there a way to temporary shrunk it with lasting side effects. I have heard there is a drug that shrink your penis to peanut size but it have very bad high.

If you do decide to buy a chastity device, I'd strongly suggest that you bring up the possibility of tease-and-denial play with Jen. If she's open to being your keyholder, it can be an excellent way for a cuckold couple to engage in 'sexual' play and maintain an intimate connection even if they're not having regular sex. Plus, it's a lot more fun to play with a chastity device as a couple.

I don't think that chastity causes your penis to shirk. Keep in mind though, that many people with average-sized packages indulge in the SPH fantasy, since compared to a 7 or 8 inch tool, most average guys seem 'small'.

 

[Daniel97]

If you do decide to buy a chastity device, I'd strongly suggest that you bring up the possibility of tease-and-denial play with Jen. If she's open to being your keyholder, it can be an excellent way for a cuckold couple to engage in 'sexual' play and maintain an intimate connection even if they're not having regular sex. Plus, it's a lot more fun to play with a chastity device as a couple.

I don't think that chastity causes your penis to shirk. Keep in mind though, that many people with average-sized packages indulge in the SPH fantasy, since compared to a 7 or 8 inch tool, most average guys seem 'small'.

thanks jwff for advice. but right now i want to do a test run to see if i am comfortable in chastity or now.

 

[jwff]

thanks jwff for advice. but right now i want to do a test run to see if i am comfortable in chastity or now.

Okay, that's cool. Make sure to shop around and read reviews before you buy, though - comfort is very important, and not all brands are equal in this regard.

 

[George]

I haven't seen a discussion of these events from Jen's perspective. What is Jen thinking? How is she feeling? We all seem to assume that Jen will keep Daniel as a boyfriend to cuckold and deny, and thus denying herself of his physical love as well.