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My wait begins

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  • #161
Wow, your experiences as related by you are very, very detailed, and this is much appreciated, want to tell you! I've been re-reading this thread and wow, just incredibly arousing for me, and I'm not even emotionally invested in it! I can only imagine how it must feel for you, and you have shared a lot of that, quite well, I might add! I am understandably curious to hear what Sue would like to talk with you about. I wish you well with that conversation as with all things.
 
  • #162
> She HAS said though, that there is more we need to talk about so I expect tonight may be a bit
> less active and a bit more passive (talking). There's still a lot that I want to know about and I
> suspect she feels the same about having more she wants to talk about - I can just sense it
> when we're together.
OMG, this sounds like an interesting conversation is coming. Please let us know
how it goes. Do you think it might be about taking your denial "play" a little
bit further?

-Hiki
 
  • #163
Well, I can't wait to hear what she's got to say. My prediction is that she'll want you to wear condoms when you get to fuck her, on her new denial schedule, whatever that turns out to be.

I'm just guessing here, but I bet she really had planned (and wanted) to "make" you wear a condom on her homecoming, but your reaction made her reluctant to take it there. It seems to me she's really turned on by denying you and wasting your cum. Maybe she wants to try giving exclusive "cum rights" to her lover, to turn you both on.

Everybody's got free advice, so here's mine: let her take the lead. Ask her: where does she want this to go? Trust her, and let go of your ego. You want to be her cuckold. No, check that, you ARE her cuckold. So give her the power; authorize her to truly mind fuck you. My bet is you'll love it. Either way, you're a lucky man!
 
  • #164
cocu said:
Well, I can't wait to hear what she's got to say. My prediction is that she'll want you to wear condoms when you get to fuck her, on her new denial schedule, whatever that turns out to be.

I'm just guessing here, but I bet she really had planned (and wanted) to "make" you wear a condom on her homecoming, but your reaction made her reluctant to take it there. It seems to me she's really turned on by denying you and wasting your cum. Maybe she wants to try giving exclusive "cum rights" to her lover, to turn you both on.

Everybody's got free advice, so here's mine: let her take the lead. Ask her: where does she want this to go? Trust her, and let go of your ego. You want to be her cuckold. No, check that, you ARE her cuckold. So give her the power; authorize her to truly mind fuck you. My bet is you'll love it. Either way, you're a lucky man!


I think that train left the station. Steve Doesn't Sue already Fuck Your Mind?
 
  • #165
I think maybe the train is just starting.
 
  • #166
It left the station. But its got a hell of a long way to go!!!!!
 
  • #167
I had read some of the latest posts earlier this evening and Peak's advice seemed to resonate with me (thanks Peak!). I say that because I heeded his advice as part of some of what we talked about tonight.

We weren't going to have sex tonight - she's confirmed that earlier in the evening when I'd come up behind her in the kitchen and she said "you're not getting anything tonight - I need a break already!". I suppose she's right when I thought that she's been getting is for the past 7 days - but that same thought also got me horny.

After dinner we were upstairs as our daughter had commandeered the den-TV. In our bedroom we started to talk and she actually said that she was happy she "wasn't having sex tonight". I joked back with her that I didn't want her getting worn out down there which made her laugh with me. It was a good ice-breaker. We had the TV on but she seemed to want to talk more about her new revelation - that she was able to let herself go. "It was really different than last time with him" and I asked her to tell me more. She said that she's always felt really comfortable with Frank and I added that I felt the same way. I asked her if they'd really had sex every time she'd sent me an X. I'd counted 10x's - actually 9x's and I knew they'd gone at it one last time before they left on Saturday. And you know that this has been in the back of my mind - when she said "yeah" as her answer, I asked the next obvious question "did he cum in you each time?" and to hear her say "yes" so calmly - oh my god - needless to say neither of us were surprised when she suggested I let her sleep and I go "take care of myself" - but in my head I've been thinking 10 times in 5 days - and then 4 more times the week before they left. It humbles me a bit to think that he'd cum in her 14 times before I got to reclaim her - no wonder I was so horned up for her and even now, I feel like a teenager being so horny and cumming so much.

Anyway - she told me again how she'd really cum hard some of the times - and she seemed to be very calm and open about saying "it was so much better than at the wedding". Yes, of course it killed me inside to hear that she responded so well - and so many times. She then said "I want you to feel something" and I wasn't sure what she was leading to but she stood up and came over to my side of the bed - she pulled up her night-shirt and revealed her pussy to me (no panties!!!!) and she spread her legs a bit and she said "feel me - go on - push your finger in me". As I did she looked at me and said "do you feel how wet I am inside?!" I admit - wow - she was really soft and hot and yes, very wet! I joked with her "that's from me yesterday and the day before" and her answer was "maybe - but I was like this all of last week too" and she proceeded to say that by the end of the week she was away - that she said she felt like a teenager again when she would get so wet sometimes (which did bring back a lot of memories). Thing was, she was very concerned about how I felt hearing this. I mean she was calm about telling me it all which was kind of sexy in just hearing her talk like this - but she started to then say things to make sure I was okay. She said again how it wasn't so much Frank as it was her own desires and in her own head. I told her that she'd told me this the other day and I reminded her about what she'd said about "it could be anyone". She said she was still concerned that she'd hurt me by saying all of that and then she said "With all you've given me and let me do, I just want to make sure it's all good for you and that you'd always be honest with me if it wasn't". I pulled her to me and hugged her and said something like "as long as we can talk about it, we'll be okay". She seemed relieved and for as calm as she was before that exchange, she became much more animated after it - as if she maybe finally felt she could tell me more?

Like earlier in the conversation, it wasn't the easiest to listen to her rave about "how good it felt to cum like that" - and she proceeded to tell me how wet she was all week. She held little back as she told me how she'd easily have multiple orgasms this time with him - and she also told me that she was very aware at times of how he felt in her - especially when she'd cum - and she said she was able to tell him what to do to intensify it (sharing what I already know and do - that she likes to continue to be fucked as she cums but that she likes it less forceful but with longer-strokes - as she described it "when he's wet from just cumming in me". I have to admit it, when I could stay focused on the sex part - it was sooo erotic to hear her talk like this. It was kind of eerie when she said how my keeping her rings also seemed to influence her - she said that in her mind it sort of symbolized my wanting her to let go and that she found it exciting to think of that way - and that she thought it helped her. I was a little dry when I managed to say I was happy and that it turned me on to see them in her jewelry box knowing what it meant - she smiled at that and said she liked knowing that. She even told me that at one point she felt good enough to consider letting Frank try to fuck her ass - I gave her a surprised look and said "really?" in a choking kind of voice and then I added "and?". She looked at me and said "don't worry baby, I told you I don't like that - so yes, you were the last to do that to me and it's probably going to remain that way!" and with that we both laughed which felt good because I was feeling kind of edgy. She held my hand and she said "I'm really glad that you're not all freaked out by this". I told her that as long as she and I are still "us" that things will be okay. It was an awkward moment and I felt she needed to hear something from me so I said "it still turns me on that you are so horny these days" and I could see she wanted to hear something more so I added "and yes, it turns me on incredibly". It was a nice moment between the 2 of us - she pulled me in for a hug and a kiss and said she loved me and I returned the thought.

I think she may have wanted to talk more - it was only about 10pm - but we'd spent over an hour and a half talking about all of this that I suggested we go and join our daughter and watch some TV with her and as I said to Sue "maybe spend some time with her?" (our daughter) and she agreed and said "you're right". We went down and the 3 of us watched Castle on Tivo from last night and then we watched Leno's "Headlines" before our daughter went off to bed. I know she'd said "no sex tonight" earlier but now, after all of that talk - damn, I was horny again. When we were washed up and ready for bed, lying there she leaned over and kissed me and reached for my cock and then said with a laugh in her voice "again?" which is when she said what I said above - that I should go have fun and let her sleep....

I know we haven't yet talked about the pink-elephant in the room - the whole denial thing - but tonight, it just didn't seem right to bring it up if it didn't come up of it's own accord. Despite my wariness at what she may say, I want her to be comfortable and confident enough with me to say what she truly wants to say.
 
  • #168
Steve
great post i am glad you and sue can talk so openly about it all.

i hope that sue feel's confident enough to tell you what she realy want's now that she has had. this time to refind her self again.

keep us posted. look forward to what she has to tell you what she want's now.
 
  • #169
You two have great and open communication, and that will always serve you both well as you continue to move forward. Thanks for the updates and hope to hear more soon.
 
  • #170
Just a few words before heading out to work....

I'm struck at how much I am noticing our return to relative normalcy these past few days. I'm surely enjoying it and actually hadn't realized how much I missed and am enjoying her lack of modesty.

Beg4 - I am sure that tonight our openness and communication are going to be called on again. Over coffee before she left we talked about watching the debate tonight on TV and as she was finishing and getting ready to leave she turned and saw me looking/ogling her and then came up to me and said "you know, there's something we haven't talked about yet." I gave her a kiss and I said "I know" and she replied "I haven't been ready to talk about it yet, but I think we should tonight". I held her again and said "it's okay - when you're ready" I paused and then said "I do want to talk about it too". She held me close and hugged me and I felt her grind up against me and when she pulled away she had this sly smile on her face - I am sure she felt my cock feeling a little stiff in my pants.
 
  • #171
STB
well it sound's like you and sue are going to at last after she got back try to get the so called pink-elephant out in the open.

keep us posted.
 
  • #172
Sue's new attitude

Steve, I know you are seeing a new attitude in Sue, and you are in Awe of it, and a bit fearful of it too.
She is being more BOLD in telling you what she wants, and 'what to do' like last night, telling you "no sex tonight" and to "go take care of yourself"

Also the Boldness she took on Sunday Sept. 23. (have you seen the 'paper' she was reading from), when she said, speaking to you, "You are my husband". Then speaking to Frank, "You are my lover". In that she has defined each of your 'rolls' in her life, right now. I think it is very significant that she specified you solely as her husband and Frank solely as her 'lover'. I think that will 'play out' in the near future as the next level or 'escalation' of your 'experience' begins. It also indicated that Frank is not 'loosing favor' in Sue's life.

It's not so surprising then, that in your 'discussion,' last night she was able to describe becoming, what she wanted, on the trip, and to experience the 'freedom' to have the 'pleasure' she wanted, and that Frank was able to be a part of it and not you. She was quick to say that you can, and have provided this for her, when you have been able to 'get-a-way' together, and on other occasions. But without the issues that 'come along' with marriage and family, she was able to have more 'freedom,' this time, with Frank. (as I read it)

What I think is so incredibly unique and fortunate, is that Sue, (because of your cuckold desires) at 'midlife,' and 'post menopause,' can re-experience what she enjoyed so much, in the past. To "go away" with a boyfriend on a 'romantic get-a-way' and freely enjoy, Great Sex with him, Not for him, or you, but with him.

Sue got to live out what many married women only 'dream' of.

Sue's 'desire' to do this, and the sex that resulted, is what is 'stimulating' her hormones, which gives her that"glow" you have described, The "spring" in her step, and the constant 'lubrication' in her vagina. The body can & will respond to your desire.

Cheers, Harry
 
  • #173
Your ability to communicate so well as a couple amazes me. This night's
discussion is going to be quite something, I think. You have been nudged
another couple of steps from hotwifing to cuckolding recently. Have you thought
about what denial escalation she might have in mind? Maybe a new denial schedule
or "condom sex only" requirement for hubby? How do you feel about the latter,
where the only come allowed in her pussy would be Franks?

-Hiki
 
  • #174
Dam
Harry well said that is a very good guess to what will be said tonight and may happen as well. i guess we all will wait and see when stb post's there talk.
 
  • #175
Tonight: What will Sue tell Steve?

Steve, I hope this analysis is not offensive to you. I present it as 'my opinion only.' Only you , and Sue know the real truth. I just think I am close. Harry

This may not answer the question above, but, (in my opinion) may be the foundation for the next chapter for Steve, Sue & Frank.

What Sue did in 'defining' Steve's roll as her "husband," and Frank as her "Lover," (but not her husband,) [post#98 Sep. 26] was to accept Steve's desire to be a 'cuckold.' It was clear in her presentation, that she accepted her, 'power' and 'control' of both men.

From beginning, to present, Sue has been working at, being a loving wife, while trying to provide the 'angst,' and 'denial,' that, "turns Steve on, as a Cuck, and getting a little pleasure for herself" while at the same time, not doing anything that would, "hurt him.”

If you read STB's whole story, the phrase "I don't want to hurt you" [or similar] has been spoken many times by Sue.

I think that phrase will be used less, because she now knows, that Steve want's to feel the angst, and want's to be 'denied'. And as long as they communicate, neither will be "hurt".
Sue has read, a lot of, Penthouse letters, and now apparently, also Cuckold stories.

As have most wives of a cuckold, Sue can reason that, this is not just for Steve, but for her to enjoy as well. So she planned the trip to Charlotte. It was to see if setting aside her obligations with Steve and family, (even if in her own mind) would allow her to be free, to really enjoy sex with Frank, her [boyfriend] lover.

Well, it did, so tonight, or at least by late Sunday, Steve will know what Sue's plans are, and what roll he (and Frank) will play in them.

Cheers, Harry
 
  • #176
Harry,
I think you are getting a bit over excited. Do you really think, upon reflection, that Steve would really agree to that? Or that Sue would try to impose it? Unlikely. Lets just wait and see. The truth is often stranger than you (or I) think.
 
  • #177
I agree with Peak, Harry. Overexcited speculation. I am perfectly happy to wait for the details from Steve on how it all unfolds.
 
  • #178
peakmb said:
Harry,
I think you are getting a bit over excited. Do you really think, upon reflection, that Steve would really agree to that? Or that Sue would try to impose it? Unlikely. Lets just wait and see. The truth is often stranger than you (or I) think.

OK, I edited it. Does that make it better?
Cheers, Harry
 
  • #179
Hey all - no news here tonight. Actually all 3 of us, daughter included, watched the debate tonight and then talked about it for a little bit afterwards. I won't reveal our political leanings but the debate did change my daughter's opinion which was pretty remarkable to hear her say. 'Nuff said about politics.

Sue thinks I'm sending an Email about work so I'll be brief.

I'm not sure what to think. I make no bones about it - for whatever reason, her denying me sex is just a wild turnon. I am sure that her actions the week before she left was both for her own benefit but also to push my buttons too. She could have kept it from me that she got together with Frank and she certainly didn't have to include me on Sunday. And as others have pointed out, she was pretty clear about it to both of us, Frank and I.

So, I'm not sure why I have this ill feeling at times wondering and maybe even worrying about what she may want to tell me. I honestly don't think she would ever force me into something that didn't work for me - so I'm not concerned about that. But at the same time I'm not so naive to think that if she pushed for something enough, that I do know I might give in too.

I've said all along that while I do want this feeling - for her to want to deny me - that it's not something I can ever see as a long-term thing. I think of Rick and Brenda - and yes, I'll admit I can almost see it from Rick's perspective, it IS satisfying in its own way to see the woman we love so being pleasured and fulfilled by another guy. But the difference is that I simply can't go months without having intimate sex with her.

What would I be willing to do? I can't really say what the limits are - as long as they don't exceed what I can't even really put words to in terms of what is and isn't okay. For me, this is the main reason I both haven't brought it up on my own as well as feeling relief at avoiding it tonight. She already knows it turns me on that she will deny me - I'm not sure myself of what I will and won't be okay with - so maybe some of what Peak said was very true - that I shouldn't jump into anything or agree to anything off the bat.

Perhaps it was easier for me last week when she was away? I've been thinking about this too. Was it easier for me - knowing I wasn't going to have sex with her - to simply not have her here with me? Would it have been more extreme for me to have her here but be with Frank as much (if it could be done - it's a hypothetical question)? I have thought about it....

More tomorrow or whenever "it' happens.
 
  • #180
STB
sound's like you are at odd's with your feeling's about it all right now so as peak said do not. jump in head first and i think i would watch what i wished for as well.

good luck and keep us posted.
 
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