Hey all - well, that was a depressing day yesterday. I had thought maybe Sue would relax the whole panty-restriction thing and maybe want to make love last yesterday when we returned home, but instead she just wanted to cuddle with me and "feel close". Last night when I'd said that I'd thought we might have, she said that she would lie next to me if I wanted to masturbate and she then said "but that's all you're getting". So, she is most definitely enjoying her sense of control during the week - perhaps you all (Will and others) are right, she has taken control?
Before getting into other stuff, I do need to say again that come last Friday and straight through the weekend, she wanted and definitely enjoyed sex with me several times so despite all of the playing we are doing, I still feel very connected with Sue and still relish the moments when I can feel he cum under me during sex. She still says that the orgasms we share together are very different than what she has with Frank.
So, I'm afraid for now that other than the day to day interplay between us, that there may not be a lot more to post here until we get to Thanksgiving. We did talk more about that. She says she's started to talk to Frank about "getting away one more time" and she held my hand and said "just a few days this time" and then added that the longer build-up period to their time should help. I asked her what she was thinking specifically and she said "I thought our last time would be the weekend after Thanksgiving" and then said "we'd go away maybe around the 8th - maybe that weekend?". I did the math in my head and that meant she wanted 2 weeks "without me" and when I told her that she said "you'll be okay, right?"
It seems so strange now to talk so easily and openly about her going away with him again. I remember the first time how it pained me to hear and think about it, but now, yes, the time away will be tough - but at the same time, damn if it doesn't turn me on to hear it from her and think about it.
Harry - you and others asked what Frank thinks is going on. He knows we practice some forms of mild-denial - he knows that Sue doesn't have sex with me at least a day or so before she sees him. Beyond that, she's said "that's just between you and me" meaning her and I. So I asked her "what did he think was going on before you went away" and then I said "I thought he wasn't up for all that much". That's when she said to me what the biggest issue is - as she put it "It's me that wants it, not him". What she said was that during that week when she saw him like 4 times - she said that he knew she was doing it to get turned on about the trip with him. But she says that he thinks she came home and had sex with me after most of those times. I told her that we had an excuse about her going on a work-related trip this last time and asked her what she was going to tell our daughter and our family when she's gone over a weekend - and she said calmly that she's already started the story, that she's going to visit her old college roommate again before the holidays.
Ffred - you'd asked about what we told our daughter - but I think you may have misread things. Sue wasn't gone that entire time, she just restricted me from having sex with her that whole time, she was only gone for 5 days or so and the excuse was as I'd stated, a work-related trip.
Peak - you asked about "someone to fill in for you". While I didn't question it I just assumed that it related back to what I'd already said - that if she is going to deny me for a longer period of time, that she'd want to have a lover who would fill-in-the-gaps - as I said, I now totally believe that she wouldn't want to go without sex herself just to deny me. I also believe that if she did find a guy who wanted more from her - some what like Don - that she would do what she says and begin to deny me more.
So - it is now Tuesday morning and other than recanting sex from this weekend and sharing my ever evolving crazy thoughts, I'm not sure there's much more to really share at this point.
Several people have PM'd me asking if they thought Sue might want to "try out" a black guy. I know she's never had sex with a black guy before but it's also not like it's something she feels she has to do. I would be okay with it - I would say I would like to see her to it at least once, for me, just to see it - the color contrast, if he's big - to see her reaction, etc., but I also think she's self-conscious enough that I don't think she could be comfortable thinking of a black guy as her "boyfriend" much less travel with him. Sorry, don't mean to sound racist or prejudicial, it's just that I know Sue and a one-night-stand or short-time thing might work but nothing longer or more involved - at least not just yet.
Alas, I think perhaps I've reached the end of this thread? Or perhaps not - maybe "my wait" is really just the wait for her to either go away with him again or to even take the next step. Only time will tell.
Before getting into other stuff, I do need to say again that come last Friday and straight through the weekend, she wanted and definitely enjoyed sex with me several times so despite all of the playing we are doing, I still feel very connected with Sue and still relish the moments when I can feel he cum under me during sex. She still says that the orgasms we share together are very different than what she has with Frank.
So, I'm afraid for now that other than the day to day interplay between us, that there may not be a lot more to post here until we get to Thanksgiving. We did talk more about that. She says she's started to talk to Frank about "getting away one more time" and she held my hand and said "just a few days this time" and then added that the longer build-up period to their time should help. I asked her what she was thinking specifically and she said "I thought our last time would be the weekend after Thanksgiving" and then said "we'd go away maybe around the 8th - maybe that weekend?". I did the math in my head and that meant she wanted 2 weeks "without me" and when I told her that she said "you'll be okay, right?"
It seems so strange now to talk so easily and openly about her going away with him again. I remember the first time how it pained me to hear and think about it, but now, yes, the time away will be tough - but at the same time, damn if it doesn't turn me on to hear it from her and think about it.
Harry - you and others asked what Frank thinks is going on. He knows we practice some forms of mild-denial - he knows that Sue doesn't have sex with me at least a day or so before she sees him. Beyond that, she's said "that's just between you and me" meaning her and I. So I asked her "what did he think was going on before you went away" and then I said "I thought he wasn't up for all that much". That's when she said to me what the biggest issue is - as she put it "It's me that wants it, not him". What she said was that during that week when she saw him like 4 times - she said that he knew she was doing it to get turned on about the trip with him. But she says that he thinks she came home and had sex with me after most of those times. I told her that we had an excuse about her going on a work-related trip this last time and asked her what she was going to tell our daughter and our family when she's gone over a weekend - and she said calmly that she's already started the story, that she's going to visit her old college roommate again before the holidays.
Ffred - you'd asked about what we told our daughter - but I think you may have misread things. Sue wasn't gone that entire time, she just restricted me from having sex with her that whole time, she was only gone for 5 days or so and the excuse was as I'd stated, a work-related trip.
Peak - you asked about "someone to fill in for you". While I didn't question it I just assumed that it related back to what I'd already said - that if she is going to deny me for a longer period of time, that she'd want to have a lover who would fill-in-the-gaps - as I said, I now totally believe that she wouldn't want to go without sex herself just to deny me. I also believe that if she did find a guy who wanted more from her - some what like Don - that she would do what she says and begin to deny me more.
So - it is now Tuesday morning and other than recanting sex from this weekend and sharing my ever evolving crazy thoughts, I'm not sure there's much more to really share at this point.
Several people have PM'd me asking if they thought Sue might want to "try out" a black guy. I know she's never had sex with a black guy before but it's also not like it's something she feels she has to do. I would be okay with it - I would say I would like to see her to it at least once, for me, just to see it - the color contrast, if he's big - to see her reaction, etc., but I also think she's self-conscious enough that I don't think she could be comfortable thinking of a black guy as her "boyfriend" much less travel with him. Sorry, don't mean to sound racist or prejudicial, it's just that I know Sue and a one-night-stand or short-time thing might work but nothing longer or more involved - at least not just yet.
Alas, I think perhaps I've reached the end of this thread? Or perhaps not - maybe "my wait" is really just the wait for her to either go away with him again or to even take the next step. Only time will tell.