My wait begins

[SoonToBe]

I am sitting here looking out at the sudden fall-shower outside and contemplating what I've been posting over the past few days/weeks.

I suppose that I am perhaps not the typical cuckold in that I wanted all of this and I was the one who started Sue on this road, be it almost 15 years ago at my earliest admission of wanting her to be with another guy or whether it's 4 1/2 years ago when she want on that business trip when she finally did it.

It is an odd feeling to think back and to now know that I've always wanted her to have a lover and to now be there - it's a very odd and very erotic feeling. I know back when she first went with Brad, how apprehensive I was about everything. I still have apprehension - which I think is a good thing - but at the same time, I just love that she is finally doing what I'd always wanted. Is it strange to enjoy knowing that she has a lover with whom she shares herself completely? I know it used to make me concerned at how intimate she let herself be with Brad and how hesitant and uncertain I felt with her and Don - and to now, to now be accepting of these desires of hers and to even encourage it? And yet, I don't think I have ever felt as alive sexually as I feel now with her - denial/restrictions included. It's a crazy feeling to have, especially at this age. It's like finding another whole person inside the woman you married and loving this new person as much as the former.

It will turn me on until I hit the grave that she now openly has sex with others and that she doesn't flinch a bit at letting me know it.

 

[dana007]

STB
sound's like you and sue are on the same page again for now. so take it and run with it and have fun the both of you.

keep us posted.

 

[Harry2614]

So, looks like Sue will be looking for her, "ideal More aggressive man" while she continues to be with Frank.

You've said she likes 'Country music' and we found out she likes to dance back when you, her and Don, met up at a 'club'. Perhaps that could be her 'hunting ground', like I mentioned before, (she could even go 'out of town' so as not to be recognized) --- Or she could let herself be "discovered" at the local shopping mall, or Grocery store, like Will suggested.

Hey! maybe Sue already has another 'guy' at work, she is interested in. You know she found the first two, Brad & Don, by herself, and now that it's over, Don keeps looking better and better.

You both picked out Frank, and he is "just comfortable" and 'good enough', till someone that 'pushes her buttons just right,' shows up. I think the message there is, 'thank you very much, but I'll find him myself, this time'.

Winter's coming. Do you have any Ski trips alone with Sue planned? I hope so. If not, I have a feeling she'll be going anyway, and you will be on "restriction."

Enjoy! This is the kind of lifestyle, 'other cuckolds' write about!

Cheers, Harry

 

[cocu]

Nice thoughts to reflect on, STB, and just confirms what I've said before, that you are one fortunate son, to have someone like Sue in your life. It's been a long road, but you're getting your fantasies wonderfully fulfilled -- and not very many in the world really ever do.

Since unsolicited advice is pretty much the norm in these boards, I'll offer an observation, really just along the same lines I've suggested previously. You're in a place with Sue now (or so it seems to me) where you can tell her anything -- your darkest desires, your kinkiest fantasies, your biggest anxieties -- and she'll accept it, process it, and most importantly, won't judge or think less of you for it. (She's very gingerly doing some of that herself with you already). What a wonderful, intimate, and ultimately safe place to be!

It seems pretty obvious that Sue is going to be looking for the next thing, not necessarily to the exclusion of Frank, but certainly in addition. Probably someone more like Don, but who knows. Now, I think actually finding the perfect lover, who dominates her just the way she wants, and who doesn't have a lot of baggage and difficult issues himself, may be tricky, but I'm sure searching for that person will be half the fun for both of you.

But here's the thing: UNTIL she finds that person with whom she can take this to the next level, I think you two should take advantage of this time, and deeper level of intimacy you share, to really project ahead, to imagine, to share dreams, of what you would WANT that relationship to look like. In other words, fantasize together about something that isn't yet real, but which one or both of you would like to happen. You know, let your imaginations go, get freaky in the safety and comfort of each other!

Sue is just now understanding how to practice "mind fucks" on you. Kind of mild right now, centered around out-of-town trips and light denial. But maybe after sharing your deepest darkest thoughts, you might encourage her to act out -- pretending or playing -- that she's REALLY doing those things to you. She could, for example, pretend she's found a lover like Don -- enough real that you get your head in cuck-space about it -- and then really put you through the paces with what they're doing (and you're not). Maybe actually play with chastity devices. Or longer-term denial. Or making you her fluffer. Or imaginary gang-bangs. Or whatever might flip your or her switch. You know -- pretend it's happening and give you a solid cuckold mind fuck.

Apart from being fun in itself, doing that would have the additional benefits of helping each of you understand what you really do like, and what you don't. What gives you good cucky-angst, and what just plain hurts. What turns HER on in dominating you (maybe), or that it doesn't really work for either of you.

I offer this again, because I am constantly struck by how grounded -- maybe "locked" is a better term -- into "reality" you both seem to be. Now I get it -- reality is better than fantasy, actual is better than play. But I think one informs the other. It's how we grow, and move TOWARD something, rather than creeping slowly slowly by trial and error, and false starts, and questions about making the "right" move in real life, which can often present anxieties of irrevocability and possible damage to it.

Feel free to reject this out of hand. God knows what you've been doing so far must be right -- look how perfectly realized your cuck dreams are now. All I can say is that I see an enormous amount of good will and trust between you two right now. I think you both are safe and secure in each other and your relationship, and now's the time to express to each other where you want it to go, and if you don't know exactly, or know how to express it, then figure it out by pretending and playing.

But in any event and again, congratulations and all my best wishes to you both.

 

[far2easy]

Cocu: I was thinking similarly about role playing what things may be like. For example, since neither of you knew whether it was the cumming in her or the penetration you could try condom only sex and then long term denial to make the determination. This will give you both perspective once the new bull puts the restrictions to you and Sue.

 

[dana007]

STB
well it is now wed. again and you can look forward to the normal tonight. and is sue going to see frank on thursday again.

keep us posted.

 

[SoonToBe]

Cocu/Far2 - I think we do a lot of this sort of "what if" stuff - surprisingly - as part of our Wednesday night fun. I know I've long said my cock is a lie-detector because it seems to respond to her ideas and suggestions even before I can get a response out of my mouth. I know what you're saying about role-playing - and you're right, it may be something we gravitate towards if she becomes complacent about Frank and/or finding another lover.

She has said some interesting things lately - such as admitting that she thinks she will "always want a lover" who can give her things that I cannot. I don't think either of us mean just giving her orgasms as I'm/we're coming to understand that - at least for right now - because our daughter is still home, and I guess because home is home - that she wants this additional sexual excitement from elsewhere. I'm actually not sure that I will be able to fulfill that role even after our daughter has left for college - I say that with a bit of sadness in a way - but I also know that if I can't do it for her, that it's because - in my head - she loves me and I, her - and that she may not be able to separate that from the type of sexual experience she wants. In a sense I can role-play as a dom/master type - we've long done it before - but it's usually only sustainable for a few days because, home is home.

Cocu - you again mentioned trying out denial stuff - but that goes back to what she's already said, that without someone to fill in the gap that is left when she denies me, she doesn't see that as a win-win situation for her. I suppose if it's the absence of me cumming in her that's behind her desires for Frank or others, then that could help it along, but from what I sense from her, it's most definitely a combination thing - same for me and her - it's the combination of denying me AND her giving herself freely to her lover. So unless Frank turns over a new leaf, I don't see her denying herself - and I also don't know that it would feel the same for me (or her).

What you seem to be saying is that you think we should open up to each other about the depth-of-the-darkness that may be appealing to us. As I started by saying, I think she explores a lot of this on Wednesday nights. She's asked and said many things during those times when I've been lost in my own pleasure and she knows either from my verbal or definitely from my physical response whether she's hitting the right nerve. I think I've perhaps always guided her that way.

There was no secret for tonight - while she was dressing she came up to me in her bra and panties after I came out of the shower and she reached through the towel around my waist and gave my cock a few good strokes and said "hope you're ready for later". She laughed a moment after she let go when the tip of my cock came poking out from between the towel wrapped around my waist.

And I'll add another thing there's no secret about for tonight - that I do love jerking off for her.

 

[cocu]

Thanks for the reply. All good, and carry on! I (and many others) always look forward to your reoprts.

 

[will2112001]

Steve You are under Her spell. She controls You. "When You have a Man by the cock and balls. His mind will follow!" Sue does control when You cum. As I see it Frank is losing His grip on Sue. A vacum is starting to form.

 

[dana007]

STB
sound's like you and sue have got your wed. fun down. and are working on all the rest.

what if sue does not want to look for anyone else right now she is willing to stay with frank for now if she can getaway with him 3 or 4 time's a year. how would that be for you.

keep us posted.

 

[will2112001]

STB
sound's like you and sue have got your wed. fun down. and are working on all the rest.

what if sue does not want to look for anyone else right now she is willing to stay with frank for now if she can getaway with him 3 or 4 time's a year. how would that be for you.

keep us posted.

That sound like wishful thinking on Your part.

 

[dana007]

Will
it is not wishful thinking on my part. i know that sue is more than likely looking for a new lover right now.i just throught i would ask stb about that.

 

[will2112001]

Will
it is not wishful thinking on my part. i know that sue is more than likely looking for a new lover right now.i just throught i would ask stb about that.

I know there are a few that wish that Sue would just stay with Frank and keep everything the way it is. I didn't think You were One of them.

I really don't think Its in the cards.

 

[Harry2614]

Will: [post 289] "As I see it Frank is losing His grip on Sue. A vacuum is starting to form." (Strange choice of the word Vacuum, any pun intended?)

I don't read that Frank ever had much of a 'grip on Sue'. He has been a "good lover" from the beginning, although not at all dominant.
He was chosen by both Steve & Sue because he was 1. A friend; 2. Near by; 3. Divorced & hungry; and 4. Safe.

From the beginning, Sue choose Bill, Brad, & Don on her own. They each met her needs during their time with her, as she progressed toward finding her own desires. (We see now that Don was a little ahead of his time, but would serve Sue better now).

Although, it's easy to stay with Frank for the above reasons, He is not doing for Sue what she really desires. Frank will continue to 'serve the purpose', until she finds someone that better matches her desires & need's.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers, Harry

 

[will2112001]

Will: [post 289] "As I see it Frank is losing His grip on Sue. A vacuum is starting to form." (Strange choice of the word Vacuum, any pun intended?)

I don't read that Frank ever had much of a 'grip on Sue'. He has been a "good lover" from the beginning, although not at all dominant.
He was chosen by both Steve & Sue because he was 1. A friend; 2. Near by; 3. Divorced & hungry; and 4. Safe.

From the beginning, Sue choose Bill, Brad, & Don on her own. They each met her needs during their time with her, as she progressed toward finding her own desires. (We see now that Don was a little ahead of his time, but would serve Sue better now).

Although, it's easy to stay with Frank for the above reasons, He is not doing for Sue what she really desires. Frank will continue to 'serve the purpose', until she finds someone that better matches her desires & need's.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers, Harry

I used the word "grip" for lack of a better word. He serves a purpose right now. But??????

 

[dana007]

Harry
you are right that is why they picked frank. so i guess now we will see how long he last's now that the trip is over.

i think sue is looking now and she may have already find one i guess when it happen's stb will let us know.

stb have fun tonight with your hotwife. make her enjoy it as much as you do.

keep us posted.

 

[peakmb]

Steve,
Your sex life seems to be entering a 'zombie' period at the moment. Frank may be dead to Sue and not know it and your ration of orgasms with your wife is about to reduce by an unknown amount. Cocu has suggested talking it through, which I know you are probably doing every Wednesday night but there are other ways to plan ahead.

One compenent of sexual excitement is predicability. Currently for you this is good because you never know what Sue has planned next and this is exciting for you even if it restricts what you can do. For Sue, with you and Frank, this is not so good as neither of you deviate her plans. She gets what she wants but that is not always exciting. A new lover would solve this, not necessarily by always being dominant but simply by trying new things (for Sue) with her. Simple equality in dominance terms would do this, total dominance might not allow Sue enough of what she really wants.

As her husband, it is your duty to excite Sue by not being predictable sometimes even if your own desire is to be passive. One option may be for you to create situations every few weeks where you excite Sue to such an extent on non penetration days for you that you can 'demand' sex and she then wants it. The hell with the schedule. Establish a pattern of random demand so she is never certain herself what is going to happen.

This will not only increase her own excitement but down the line it will prevent you displaying the 'cuckold whine' when her (or her new lover) try to over restrict you orgasms with her. That you can always (if not frequently) take over in this way will also help if her possible new lover tries to pressure Sue to restrict you too much. He needs to know that sometimes, she just can't (or doesn't want to) stop you.

Just a thought ..

 

[Harry2614]

Very good suggestion, Peak.Well worthy of Steve's consideration.

You have to keep the relationship interesting, or someone else will!

Steve, I know you have done this in the past, even recently you have pushed her to the point of yielding, but then, backed off when she resisted,

Of course, before you gave Sue the control, It was her that offered to let you do whatever you wanted with her, as your Birthday present.

At this point it's becoming very routine even for you, and probably for Sue as well.

Cheers, Harry

 

[dana007]

STB

very well said PEAK/ HARRY. stb might want to think about this one.

 

[SoonToBe]

Harry/Peak - I suppose in one way it is becoming routine, at least in terms of schedule. But on the other hand, certainly as evidenced last night, there is still a lot of excitement in what we do together - both on Wednesdays and also at other times. I do recognize that these may not fully satisfy Sue's ultimate desires - but for the near future, I think it will be all we do. She's already talking about the holidays - Thanksgiving and then Christmas - so in that sense, I seriously think that she's going to stick with Frank through New Years. After that, I suppose things could happen - but I'd also venture to say that it may not be until next spring that the desires outweigh her, dare I say, complacency, and push her to look elsewhere.

I actually see Dana's suggestion - at least in my head - as the most probably course for the short term (6 months). That seems to fit both with what we talked/teased about last night as well as what she's said she'd like for herself (or what she's willing to admit to).

It seems that Wednesdays have become a time when we can both go into fantasy for a bit and explore things - so for Cocu and Far2 - that's when we seem to be relaxed and horny enough to talk openly and last night was no different. I'd been horny all day after seeing her in the morning and as I've said - I look forward to Wednesday nights.

The first time last night our conversation essentially started with her statement of "when I go away again with Frank". She smiled and loved seeing me stroking my hard cock. I told her that while it hurt for her to go away - the knowledge of what she was doing was very arousing. I told her again how seeing her rings in her jewelry box seemed to really arouse me as evidence that she is truly not mine. She cooed at how horny that made her feel when she could truly be his. And that was when she started to tell me again how not having sex with me made her even hornier. She teased me at how it seemed to turn her on when she'd see me masturbate - and she knew it made me horny to hear her say that it turned her on to see me cumming when I masturbated and she said it - "knowing yours isn't going into me but Franks is". She asked me to tell her how that made me feel. I struggled a bit to get the words out but I did tell her that while it always felt good to jerk-off, knowing I was doing it while she was going to let Frank have her pussy turned me on a lot.

She started to talk to me about going away with Frank again and I asked her when she thought she was going and she said that she'd like to "have some fun", if she can, between Thanksgiving and Christmas. She joked that it can be an early Christmas present for her and I laughed too. She moved in closer to me and then said "you're going to have to wait for me again you know?". I groaned back that I thought I could deal with it again and said that "will you be okay if it's for longer this time?". I know she could see my physical reaction - even I could feel my cock get harder and my hand to unconsciously speed up. I managed to say "what are you thinking?". She cooed in my ear how horny it made her to think that she was "giving her pussy to her lover" like that. She said that because it'd be a shorter time away (I guess she reasoned she couldn't take 5 days again), that she wanted to be sure she was as ready for him as she could be. I groaned back again "how long are you thinking?".

Her answer came in more of a moan and that's when I realized she had her hand buried in her panties - I looked down at her and she'd slid her panties down a bit and I could see quite a bit as she was finger-fucking herself. She started to answer and got as far as saying "I know you were okay with two and even three weeks..." when she looked over at me and saw me watching her. She playfully pushed at me and said "you are NOT supposed to be seeing all of that" and with her free hand she pulled the blanket up to her stomach. She turned to me and said "you'll just have to imagine now" and with that she started to move about under the covers and a second later she pulled out her panties and lay them on the top of the blanket and she said "now, that's better" and I watched her raise her knees under the blanket and then spread them and her hand started to move again - and a second later she continued in a much sexier tone of voice "you were okay for 2 and even 3 weeks back when I was seeing Don" - after a pause - she continued and said "I thought we'd try that again ... do you think you and your right hand can survive for 2 weeks this time?" I knew she was frigging herself pretty ferociously (I could hear the slippery sounds from under the blanket and see her hand moving) and at the same time I knew my cock was nearing the bursting point and she was watching. I moaned back "oh god, that'll be intense for me". And for the next few minutes she went on and on about how she wants to do the same as last time - she wants to see Frank like every other day, if she can, before they go away together again. She moaned and asked me to tell her about what I think of that. I told her that knowing she'll have her pussy full of his cum for so long will drive me crazy with desire. She replied by saying "it makes me feel so sexy to think about it" and she proceeded to say how horny it makes her to think of her as "his" for that time. I told her that knowing she'll be coming home to me with his stuff in her will be intense and she kissed me and added "I'll be restricting you too - I'm going to keep my panties on that whole time too".

We were both near the edge and when she started to tell me how messy she'll be - in my head I could "see" her wet panties sticking to her just-fucked pussy - well, that did it - I groaned and she knew what was happening - as I felt the first spurt of release for me I heard and felt her own orgasm begin next to me. With each spurt I heard her groan again and again. A few minutes later when we'd both calmed down she began to get up and move to sit next to me - she said several times how "nice that was" and how she "loves to share that moment" with me. She was just about to get up into a sitting position when she said "whoops - you're not ready for this yet" when she remembered her nakedness. As she pulled up her panties under the covers she teased me and said "that's just for 'my lover' till Friday". When they were back in place she sat up indian-style next to me and giggled at "how much cum there is" all over me - she smiled and said "I love knowing how turned on you were to cum like this" and then she looked at me and said "and it turns me on to see all of it that didn't go in me".

As she started to push my cum together to scoop it up she started to talk to me and said "it's weird to think of how much you've cum in me over the years?". She proceeded to tell me how horny it makes her feel to think that I've probably squirted quarts or maybe even gallons of cum into her over almost 30 years together. It was a good thing I'd just cum or her talk would be making me rock hard again - as it was I could feel the desire building so soon after just from what she was saying. As she put the first few finger-fuls into my mouth she said again how it made her horny to think that "this" (meaning my cum) isn't in her - and then she added "but Franks will be". In between each finger-ful I told her how it turned me on to think of her pussy getting "used to" Franks cum and she admitted to me that it turned her on to think that could be a part of why she felt the way she finally did when she went away with him.

This was one of the first times that we didn't have the TV on to occupy us afterwards. Instead she seemed to want to talk about it more.