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Scars Of African **** - True

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Hello everyone, my name is Vivian, 37. I would like to discuss and try to understand why many white women out there are attracted to black men.
Before I start, I have to say that mine, is not a random case. There is more to it then any of you may ever be able to understand.

Please note that I have not joined this forum searching for anyone or to have a good time. After scouring the net for a couple of years, and joining a number of sites dedicated to **** victims, I still feel like a broken person inside and all the sweet talk and pretentious compassion people have offered me just makes me more angry rather than solve anything.

I feel the need to talk about (and try to come to terms with) something that happened to me 4 years ago whilst doing volunteer work in Africa.
I want to understand the psychological side of what happened to me and I feel that can only be achieved through total OPEN talk, not conservative methods.

I seem to have found that frankness on here, even though at times, I must admit I do find some of the things I read extremely vulgar. I know many women find black men attractive but unfortunately I am in a situation now where I feel physically feel sick if a black man comes anywhere near me.
I would appreciate it if men (especially black ones) could learn to have more respect for women.

Please note that, what follows, is a true and accurate account of what happened to me, and even though it`s painful to talk about it, I feel other women should know how cruel black men can really be.

5 years ago I joined a charity organisation specialising in providing education to children of the poorer countries. I got involved with the volunteer scheme and ended up travelling to Gabon and then Cameroon working with children as a teacher. Apart from the suffocating heat, I must admit that I thoroughly enjoyed the first year in Africa and got on well with the locals.
After Gabon and Cameroon, in 2002, I was to accept a third assignment, going East, again with children, this time working in Nigeria. I spent 3 months in a town on the outskirts of Lagos, helping the local school. It was in Nigeria that my life changed (for the worse). I was visiting Lagos on a weekday and midway through the afternoon I had my bag snatched, with all my belongings, monies, documents etc. I was obviously destrought, but was unable to find anyone to help. Compared to the more warm and friendly people form Cameroon, the Nigerians where extremely uncaring.

Lagos has got to be one of the busiest places in the whole of Africa, but I was unable to find anyone willing to lend a hand. As I set off towards the train station, I realised I my return ticket was in the bag.
It was already late afternoon and I must admit I was starting to panic, looking at the tramps and homeless people populating the streets. Once at the station, I jumped on the train without even thinking
about it. To my surprise, about a half-hour later, a ticket-controller boarded the train. An older nigerian man, looking tired and un-cooperative.

To cut the long-story short, he made me leave the train at the next stop, unwilling to listen to anything I had to say. The sun had already started to go down and I had no idea where was. Some tacky old station, in
the suburbs of Lagos. Empty and boarded up. My heart was absolutely pounding with fear, my knees trembling in shock. I just wanted to collapse to the floor and start crying, I almost wanted to throw up. I knew that white tourists in Nigeria, rarely leave their hotels after dark due to all
the muggings.

I left the old station and walked for at least an hour, not knowing where I was going. The smell of the area was revolting. Rubbish everywhere, graffiti. It was some kind of old industrial area, no-one around. Half an hour later, it was pitch dark. I remember, falling to the floor crying my eyes out for at least ten minutes. As I resumed to walk ahead, I spotted the headlights of a car coming towards me.

It went past seemingly innocently, but as it reached the end of the road it made a u-turn and started heading up behind me. As it slowed next to me, two Nigerians started talking to me in a local dialect.
I couldn`t understand what they were saying but they were both laughing. A few steps foward and the car stopped. The one man got out and started shouting at me. His voice was extremely loud. The next thing I knew he had grabbed my wrist and was pulling me towards the car.

I couldn`t even scream, my heart was in my throat. Again, I felt like being sick, and just wanted to be somewhere where there were lights and people. I was pushed into the back of the car and the Nigerian got in with me. He pointed his finger at me and yelled something in a menacing way. After that he grabbed the back my neck and pushed my head into my knees. For about 20 minutes we travelled like this, me staring down at the floor of this filthy car. I remember staring at his big feet. He was wearing some
tacky old thong sandles, dust covering his feet. The smell unbearable. I though I was going to throw up.

I remember thinking "this is going to be the last day of my life". I thought of my family back home, I thought of how I had travelled to Africa.
I tried to think of how I would be able to convince them to let me go, but I couldn`t communicate with them.

It was completely dark. As the car came to a halt, the driver started shouting over to some people, he seamed to be calling somebody over. It was completely dark. The next thing I knew, I was pulled back up.
The car was under an old bridge surrounded by a group of black men
all staring down into the car at me. The driver said something and everyone started laughing.

The group soon despanded, and the car started off again. As we headed forward I heard the engines of two cars starting up behind us, as well as a motorcycle. Their headlights following us. About ten minutes later, we stopped in front of an old building. It was in another old industrial area. The two cars soon parked behind us. I was dragged out of the car with violence, the other men all whistling and yelling behind me. The motorcycle arrived soon after with two more nigerians. There must have been at least nine men
plus the two in the car with me.

I was dragged up two flights of stairs, into this filthy derelict place.
All I could smell was urine. I remember spotting syringes on the way up as well as empty bottles and cigarette butts everwhere. Graffiti on the walls, rubble on the floor. I was literally terrified.

We reached the third floor and I was ****** into a room, behind a metal door. The men quickly gathered inside laughing and yelling. I was placed up against the wall as the Nigerians stood looking at me. One of the men entered the room with a tacky old mattress, and roughly threw it to the floor.
As they all stood staring at me and laughing, one of the blacks stepped forward and and made a loop hole with his fingers, he put it in front of his mouth and began simulating oral sex whilst laughing at me as all the others cheered.

This was when I realised that these men were going to **** me. One of the Nigerians then yelled something to the rest of them and they all began undressing in front of me. I stood there, up against the wall as the black men pulled their pants off. My heart was thumping again. I just wanted to get away, as far as possible from that place. I started crying like a child, begging in English for them to let me go. It was the most afraid I have ever been in my life. I remember screaming "Please let me go!". But the more I cried, the more they made jokes and laughed at me.

What followed next, still haunts me to this day. I really dont want to go into too much detail as it is still extremely painful for me to recall. All I can say is that I was dragged over (still crying) to the mattress and thrown on the floor. The men pinned me down and surrounded me. My clothes were completely stripped of my body and I was spread out on the mattress totally naked. I remember them all kneeling down around me and rubbing my body over and over again.

I cried and cried. But nothing, they were like animals. The first man penetrated me, whilst a second grabbed my neck almost choking me, forcing me to take his penis in my mouth. After that I lay there for hours being **** over and over again. My body was abused like a piece of meat.

The men left the building in the early morning and I eventually made it back to the charity home. Although completely distraught and in a state of shock.

As a consequence of this ordeal, for the past few years now I have suffered acute physical, emotional and behavioral problems. Together, these symptoms are known as ****Trauma Syndrome (RTS), a type of post-traumatic stress disorder. They can include shock, nausea, insomnia, eating problems, listlessness, crying, nervousness, compulsive washing,
poor concentration, mood swings, memory loss. I can honestly say that the majority of these problems have been part of my every day life for the past few years.

To this day I cannot understand how women can find Black men attractive. The way I was treated 4 years ago and some of the stuff I read on this board from black men who think it`s ok to treat women like meat astonish me.

To all the women out there, who think its great to act out being abused by black men, you need to understand that it is also mentality problem which encourages these men to treat women in certain ways. They surely do not need encouraging.
 
Shocking, and true about your ordeal...

and it puts black men like me in a bad light.

I married my wife, and promised her that I would protect her. I would NEVER stoop this low, and have been taught about maintaining the safety of a woman...and in the BDSM lifestyle, it is rarely followed.

Today, MOST black men are treated like the men in your account - which I will sympathize with you, and apoligize for the negativity of my race. (Hard to pick a good apple from a rotten tree.)

And MANY american women think that '****' are fun. Being of african descent, I'm very saddened that there are some cultures that are so callous...especially in this day and age.

I hear people telling me to take a vacation to Africa...NOT WITH WHAT YOU WENT THROUGH! (This is from a Black man, who is appaled at this.)

To say that you learned a lesson is shallow...you lived through a nightmare that haunts you to this day. They are bad apples...NO DIFFERENT THAN THE COMMON DRUG DEALER, PIMP, OR PRISON CONVICT.

I apologize for your harrowing plight...and my wife and I will pray for your healing.
 
How are you going to get over it if you don't explain the details of what happened? You have to get it off your chest. What did they exactly do to you? This is just a chat board, so know one has an idea who you are. If you can't get it off your chest now then when will you? It's been four years. Did you get pregnant due to this horrible act? Did you contract a STD? Did they catch any of your violators?
 
I will point out some things that are needed...

although it does not ease your pain and suffering:

Education, experience, and faith.

To this day I cannot understand how women can find Black men attractive. The way I was treated 4 years ago and some of the stuff I read on this board from black men who think it`s ok to treat women like meat astonish me.

To all the women out there, who think its great to act out being abused by black men, you need to understand that it is also mentality problem which encourages these men to treat women in certain ways. They surely do not need encouraging.

I use MOST, SOME, and MANY in my statements...but for Nigeria, ALL of that country is corrupt and callous.

MOST blacks like you said earlier in your account of your ordeal are caring. It is when you venture into the BAD areas is when trouble happens. Educating yourself about the latest current events is the key.

Learn from experience. If you aren't doing so... sstart telling others that venture into that area may help with healing to a point. (You faced the vileness of mankind in a country that is now a blemish on the rest of my race.) It won't bring back the peace you had, but working to prevent this ordeal from happening again is a start.

The last thing I will add is to have faith. Pray to the lord for healing and strength.

Finally, spend time with your family. This Mother's Day, I am spending with my wife...who is white. Her mother has terminal cancer, and my wife is unable to spend this day with her. I show her how caring I can be by doing the household chores, while she rests. To your quote of how women can see a black man as attractive: SOME women look at the positive qualities in American Black Men. (Or Blacks in Europe.)

And for your other comment: The men need UNDERSTANDING! Positive...NOT negative Encouragement is one part of it. (ensuring their safety, background checks, etc.) Telling them about the downside will help, but completely discouraging them will lead them to try it.

I have to ask you to work on telling people you know about the country of Nigeria. Inform them of their corrupt nature, and warn them not to visit that country. Not to backlash people in the African continent, but SOME countries are so corrupt, callous, etc., that you will be seen as a target...as you have proven. :call:

As I told you, I've had teachings from people in the BDSM lifestyle about this issue. My wife has learned about practicing safety from living in the rough sections of Milwaukee, and she told me that if this had happened to her, then she would NEVER trust a Black man again.
 
PornoRican said what I was thinking...

but he made it short and to the point:

How are you going to get over it if you don't explain the details of what happened? You have to get it off your chest. What did they exactly do to you? This is just a chat board, so know one has an idea who you are. If you can't get it off your chest now then when will you? It's been four years. Did you get pregnant due to this horrible act? Did you contract a STD? Did they catch any of your violators?

qwerty2000...Vivian...I have attended abuse counseling classes as part of my psychology courses. (As a Moderator.) I told you in a more calm and civil way what PornoRican said above.

Painful as it sounds...if you don't explain your ordeal, you will give those bad examples of my race the out to commit these atrocities again. Nigeria is a bad place, and voicing your disdain for black men is understandable. However, to have closure...you have to deal with the issue by confronting it.
 
what happened to you is horrible.
but i have come to learn that some black men are actually decent, loving men just like the white men you've known all your life.
No, you'll not find too many of them in here, as many of them prefer to act like stupid, lowlife nigger thugs. but there are some very decent black men out there. Your situation sucks but don't hate a whole race of people just for the rotten apples you've encountered in your life.
 
Damn, anna...thanks for your comforting words.

anna-mwf added:

what happened to you is horrible.
but i have come to learn that some black men are actually decent, loving men just like the white men you've known all your life.
No, you'll not find too many of them in here, as many of them prefer to act like stupid, lowlife nigger thugs. but there are some very decent black men out there. Your situation sucks but don't hate a whole race of people just for the rotten apples you've encountered in your life.

Homer Simpson said it best...D'OH!

Thanks, anna.
 
@ BlackdomL, I promised myself I wouldn`t go into too much detail. All I can say is that no, they didnt catch the perpetrators. Lagos is absolutely corrupt and the authorities are completely unappreciative of any such allegations - an absolute disgrace. I tried to explain several times to them, but they insisted asking me where it all took place and what the men looked like. I had no idea where the place was as it was dark and I was shaking from fear. With all respect, but most black men, especially Nigerians (who have extremely dark skin) look very similar. So I couldnt give a decent description.
Anyway, I was so traumatised by everything that I just wanted to leave the country for good, and after that I made contacts to get the first flight out of Lagos.
 
Point Taken...and tough to heal a gaping wound.

qwerty 2000 said:

I promised myself I wouldn`t go into too much detail. All I can say is that no, they didnt catch the perpetrators. Lagos is absolutely corrupt and the authorities are completely unappreciative of any such allegations - an absolute disgrace. I tried to explain several times to them, but they insisted asking me where it all took place and what the men looked like. I had no idea where the place was as it was dark and I was shaking from fear. With all respect, but most black men, especially Nigerians (who have extremely dark skin) look very similar. So I couldnt give a decent description.
Anyway, I was so traumatised by everything that I just wanted to leave the country for good, and after that I made contacts to get the first flight out of Lagos.

Your trauma is understandable, and my question is: will you explain to people you know about Nigeria? (I know the answer is yes, so you don't have to answer.) The way towards healing is difficult, but it MUST be taken. To not do so leaves disgust, fear, hatred, etc., that lasts for years.

Nigeria USED to be a good country...and was torn apart by civil war, corruption, greed, etc. I am starting a new job, and it entails travel. I will do my part, and tell friends to keep vigilant when travelling overseas.
 
Anyhow, Vivian, I agree with Portorican that, you should tell us what actually happened to you. Get it all off your chest, and start the healing process, otherwise you`ll just suffer in silence. What actually happened to you ?

Don`t be ashamed, I mean its not like we can see you or anything. Give us the details and you might just find that he will help you get over it. I mean it`s been four years now. right ?
 
@ Clifford69.

I was taken into a tacky old room and ****** up against the wall. It was an empty room, with plaster falling off, just one light bulb. The men gathered in around me and were making vulgar gestures at me whilst laughing amongst themselves. One of them brought in an old mattress and threw it one the floor. They then starting undressing in front of me and I was left with my back to the wall as they stood there touching themselves. I thought I was going to faint I was so afraid. I remember my heart was in my throat and I thought I was going to fall to the ground from being so worried. I kept saying to myself "Dont make them angry, or they might just kill you".

My biggest concern was that they would do whatever they wanted to do but then kill me afterwards. I was petrified. I just didnt want to be killed.

Anyhow they dragged me over to the mattress and threw me on the floor.
After that it was the start of the longest night of my life, a nightmare. They gathered around and started rubbing their penises in my face. I was already in tears and I couldnt even yell because the fear had taken over my voice. I looked up and they were all laughing at each other, sticking their tongues out at me and feeling me up and down. One of the tallest ones, smacked me across the face a couple of times because I was crying. He yelled at me so loud that I was shaking. After that it was a blur. I remember hands every where, in my mouth, holding my ankles, my thighs, my wrists. My heart was beating so fast from the terror I thought I was going to pass out. At first I struggled like crazy but then I gave up, they were too big and overpowering.
My blouse was ripped open, my skirt pulled down. I felt hands rubbing my thighs, and crotch. It was awful. My bra was being tugged and soon gave, leaving my chest bare. After that I remember them looking at my panties and fingers started pulling at them. Within a few seconds my underwear had been pulled down to my ankles and then off. It wa the most humiliating thing immaginable and I wouldnt wish for it to happen to any other woman out there. Anyhow the ordeal began. My legs were spread open and the men starting taking it in turns to lick me below. I remember trying close my eyes trying to think of anything I could to not be there. I couldnt keep my eyes closed though because of the fear. The next I knew, I was feeling pain in my vagina, as a taller man had penetrated me with his penis. My neck was grabbed and I was ****** to take another penis in my mouth whilst the other men rubbed my body over and over again. They then took it in turns to have sex with over and over again.

It was awful.
Basically, every kind of abuse a women could undergo was what I had to endure. I was ****** to give oral sex dozens of times throughout the night as well as being penetrated anally until I was yelling due to the pain. The beating I took after that left me with scars which I still have.

As you can understand it is not the kind of thing anyone would feel comfortable talking about, but there. Thats what happened.

The most difficult part however is not so much the ordeal but the psychological pain which follows, the sleepless nights and anxiety attacks. But I guess, like you say Clifford, perhaps I shouldnt have been there in the first place. Nonetheless this does not justify such a behaviour in men and not in a million years will I be able to forgive the people who did this to me.

I really hope that not all black people out there are evil, but you have to undersatnd that such traumatic events can shape an individuals perspective on races and people. It is extremely difficult for me.
 
No!

Clifford69 said:
Anyhow, Vivian, I agree with Portorican that, you should tell us what actually happened to you. Get it all off your chest, and start the healing process, otherwise you`ll just suffer in silence. What actually happened to you ?

Don`t be ashamed, I mean its not like we can see you or anything. Give us the details and you might just find that he will help you get over it. I mean it`s been four years now. right ?


No, this is not the site for her to 'get this off of her chest'. If her story is true, then the one place she shouldn't spill her guts is a site dedicated to pornography. I read her post and saw it as a warning, and a plea. I have first hand experience concerning a home invasion, being tied up and threatened with automatic pistols, wondering if I was living the last few moments of my life. It is an experience that nobody should go through. After several years of counseling and various medications, I am functional again, but the experience lasts a lifetime.

Asking the details about a sexual violation on this forum is the LAST thing that should happen. After reading some of the other posts, in this thread and others, a good number of people would be trying to coax out of her the details for their own satisfaction, not out of an altruistic intent. I've already seen at least one post inquiring about pregnancy, which lately seems to be one of the hot topics on this board. Not a good thing to discuss when the topic is violence. The real question should be if she has seeked counseling and treatment. Her anger and sense of paranoia is completely understandable. PTSD is not something to be taken lightly, at all!
 
I have wonder why the lady in question would even consider joining and web-site forum called Dark Cavern after her experience

Clifford69 on the other hand is out of order. A woman mugged has not put herself in this position.

Many white people got to Africa either to work, and in doing so improve the country they have gone to. It is not easy for a white woman to get charity work in Africa, even through the UN, as the possible consequences are well known.

I have to say I hope this forum is not being used in this instance by a group intending yet again to have a go at the site users.

I'm surprised for instance that the train 'guard' did not take the opportunity to demand sex for staying on the train. A much more likely occurence than to be thrown off.

Half an hour on the train and 'still' in the lagos suburb? In most African countries your would be out of the city in 10 minutes on a train.

Nigeria is a 'difficult' place. I have known experienced Africa 'hands' pay a prepatory visit and then decide not to go.
 
Expatdad put a point out there...

Expatdad said:

I have wonder why the lady in question would even consider joining and web-site forum called Dark Cavern after her experience

Clifford69 on the other hand is out of order. A woman mugged has not put herself in this position.

Many white people got to Africa either to work, and in doing so improve the country they have gone to. It is not easy for a white woman to get charity work in Africa, even through the UN, as the possible consequences are well known.

I have to say I hope this forum is not being used in this instance by a group intending yet again to have a go at the site users.

I'm surprised for instance that the train 'guard' did not take the opportunity to demand sex for staying on the train. A much more likely occurence than to be thrown off.

Half an hour on the train and 'still' in the lagos suburb? In most African countries your would be out of the city in 10 minutes on a train.

Nigeria is a 'difficult' place. I have known experienced Africa 'hands' pay a prepatory visit and then decide not to go.

Just quoting what you said, expatdad...and will agree on what you questioned about her posting here. I will guess (NOT ASSUME) she borrowed someone's email. (qwerty2000 has posted on this forum in the past, and I didn't acknowledge the threads she posted in...until I read this one.)

I won't pursue the matter, but will caution against ruffling too many feathers...especially on this Mother's Day. My wife can't vist her mom, due to being quarrantined until Tuesday. I've yet to finish preparing for my new job...which my wife is VERY HAPPY that I got hired for. (Yes, I will update my profile to reflect.)
 
Vivian I empathize with you. What happened is horrible. Please get some professional help or continue with therapy. This is probably not the site to vent your tragic experience. But what you can take with you from todays postings on this site that all Black men are not evil. Everybody has shown compassion for your ordeal. Many of the abusive antics on this site is just role playing and fantasy. Please don't take the subjects out of context. Good luck to you on your road to recovery.
 
Well Querty2000
I have been there many times and the nigerians are not the best people to deal with .business wise and your safety.The Nigerians are known to be the
least trustworthy among the africans and even the africans do not trust them.

They believe that the western nations owe then a living.They believe that have the right to cheat the western nations?So what else ****?
 
Who is David and which stories are you talking about ?
Wouldnt mind reading them if there that interesting ..

Could you clarify rastarob.
 
hubbywilder said:
Who is David and which stories are you talking about ?
Wouldnt mind reading them if there that interesting ..

Could you clarify rastarob.

David,who now goes by the name of expatdad used to write a monthly correspondent column for Darksecret.com when he lived in Africa!! He stopped writing for Darksecret a few years back & disappeared until just recently when he appeared as expatdad!! I used to join Darksecret once a year just to read his 12 month columns! This guy should have his own forum or blog or website & years ago he said he was going to write a book which I have I have eagerly waited for!!:clap:
 
Then you blame the enite black race....BULLSHIT! I bet the following is true about you.
1. You are a racist.... that goes without saying
2. You are a male.
3. You probably hate yourself for being so turned on by BM/WF interracial sex because you are such a racist.

There it is!
Da Buzz
 
absolutely not understandable

Vivian, if your story is true (and you are not just a guy who loves to write that kind of story) then you have my full sympathy...

I find it just absolutely not understandable that there are guys around who seem to love those stories! Oh, it must be wonderful to torture other human beings, it's soooo cool!

You are simply human waste!
 

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