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Our "new norm"

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  • #161
Steve,

I have been off line and out of town for the last 10+ days and just catching up on everything. Your thread is primary reason I continue to visit this forum and I was excited to see there has been many amazing updates by you and it has been a pleasure reading each of them. It would seem that your relationship continues to evolve, your beta desires have found a solid foundation within your relationship while you and Sue continue to explore & enjoy what has truly become your norm over this past year. It was also great to read your highlights from your conversation with Sue. Amazing reading how Sue is being very expressive with you, putting her desires out there for you both to discuss as she also listens to your desires. The relationship between Sue and Paul does seem to have evolved into a more developed relationship beyond that of purely sexual with the omission that they do enjoy the non-sexual time together also. Now that you know that Sue prefers intercourse with Paul over you, are you truly ready for Sue to be 100% exclusive to Paul (speaking of bare intercourse and Paul being the only man to enjoy Sue fully) for the duration of their relationship?

With the in-depth conversations between you and Sue along with both of you finding and exploring what each of you enjoy about your beta side. Now that everything seems to be much more out in the open between you and Sue along with you, Sue and Paul respectively the three of you have the opportunity to take everything to the next level together. You and Sue may have indeed found that your norm of 2015 has continued to evolve into what could be the new norm moving forward.

Enjoy the journey...
 
  • #162
Interesting point Squirming. Maybe i am taking it out of context but do you think when Sue says that they will still want some time alone and then the bring up going away as a sign that while she loves STB and wants to make sure that he is involved that she would be also happy having a little less condom sex than she is getting now? I foresee a time that maybe they start spacing condom sex out more and more. Besides you both love jerking off!
 
  • #163
far2easy said:
Interesting point Squirming. Maybe i am taking it out of context but do you think when Sue says that they will still want some time alone and then the bring up going away as a sign that while she loves STB and wants to make sure that he is involved that she would be also happy having a little less condom sex than she is getting now? I foresee a time that maybe they start spacing condom sex out more and more. Besides you both love jerking off!

Far,

I could be wrong and very much off base with my view point. Just as others here I have also continued to read Steve’s (STB) post throughout the years and there has indeed been a slow evolution in his relationship with Sue. Over time it would seem that Steve has evolved from the alpha husband of a hot wife to becoming the beta husband (sexually) of a hot wife. Since Steve expressed his desire and preference to be much more beta sexually towards Sue it truly has allowed her to become more open about her own desires and preferences.

In my humble opinion it would seem to me that the biggest single point which began the current evolution within Steve/Sue relationship took place when Steve shared with Sue that he would like to take on a much more beta role sexually in turn placing much more control over everything sexual within Sue’s hands. Over this past year there relationship has continued to evolve and with the inclusion of Paul, Sue has been able to have much more control over both of her relationships (Sue & Steve and Sue & Paul). Based on what Steve has recently indicated, Sue now prefers Paul sexually which is something that I believe was to be expected over time.

Far, yes I believe your correct, while STB will be included in some of the bedroom activities when Paul is in their home, it would seem that the intercourse with STB is more for him and less for her and with that said, Sue may indeed be happy with less condom sex over time than she is getting now as she become even more connected with Paul. STB may also find that he will be giving more oral then condom intercourse as time progresses although that is simply speculation.

As far as Sue going off with Paul during his next Golf trip, it is going to be interesting to read more about how things go during and after this first trip away for Sue and Paul as an official couple out with Paul’s golf friends. This could become a much more regular thing if it works at well for Steve and Sue. It was already mentioned that Sue and Paul do enjoy spending time together outside of the bedroom so it is clear that they have developed a friendship, a connection of sorts. Paul could be around much longer than the other men that Sue has enjoyed in the past which was why asked the question of Steve “Now that you know that Sue prefers intercourse with Paul over you, are you truly ready for Sue to be 100% exclusive to Paul (speaking of bare intercourse and Paul being the only man to enjoy Sue fully) for the duration of their relationship?”

It truly does seem that Steve and Sue have reached a point with the openness with each other and with Paul were they all can move into a new phase/chapter.

I do hope that Steve continues to enjoy his journey with Sue and Sue continues to enjoy her journey with Steve & Paul respectively.
 
  • #164
STB: I have been following your narrative since the beginning, but only now feel compelled to add something people may be missing.
After your conversations with Sue last Tuesday and Wednesday, I had a thought. Her admittance that she enjoys sex with you is honest, but now she admits to enjoying sex with Paul even more than you, and now see's it as being the "normal" versus sex with you being the "different". This is to be expected, from several different perspectives.

Sex with you has been great in the past, but admittedly, as you both grow older and comfortable with each other, sex becomes commonplace. In addition, you both come with baggage from a marriage: jobs, having to manage a household, raise two children, pay bills, grocery shop, laundry, household maintenance, etc. The many activities get in the way of having a great love life. You have a wonderful and open relationship with Sue, and have in the past made love to her twice or more in a single afternoon/evening, bringing her to multiple orgasms; and toe-curling, shrieking orgasms that make her eyes roll up in her head.

Sex with Paul is fairly new - about a year old. Sex with Paul comes with little to no baggage. Sue goes over to Paul's, or Paul comes to your house, and Sue and Paul make love, for hours, Sue coming to multiple orgasms, toe-curling and shrieking orgasms, that make her eyes roll up. However, sex with women is a large part mental. Sue gets to prepare for sex with Paul, on a limited basis (twice to three times per week), and has all day (or even several days) to think about what she is going to do, and experience. Paul has only one main thing to do: pleasure Sue. They may eat, talk, and drink wine, but primarily Paul pays special attention to Sue during their playtimes, and doesn't come with any "marriage baggage". Paul can devote an evening, or overnight, to Sue and gets as much pleasure from Sue as Sue gets from Paul.

Yes Paul's cock is different than yours, a "big Head" versus your being thicker, and maybe a tad longer. That is different, but also Paul can apparently last for several hours, with breaks, which allows him to bring Sue to several orgasms, before he has his own orgasm, then he continues until she has a last toe-curling, shrieking, orgasm. Then after a fairly short reflective time, he can go again, bringing Sue to several more orgasms, before he has his own orgasm, and again continues with Sue until she has another massive orgasm. Paul is younger, and as we get older, that becomes more a problem for us older guys.

Finally, many studies have been written about how sex is better in hotels, on vacations, and after doing something sporting, or "life expanding" as the terminology goes. For Sue to have sex with Paul, she can go to his place and not worry about the sheets, the laundry, other "baggage", etc. When Paul comes to your house, Sue has probably cleaned up the house, changed the sheets, hidden the laundry, and created a romantic spot for her and Paul, without concern for her "baggage". When you went skiing, you combined "life expanding" adventure; the sport, and meeting with her lover, with being away from home and its "baggage", to create an ideal romantic getaway. And how opportunistic to this explanation, when Sue and Paul tell you about going to South Carolina in two weeks, for a three night stay at the Marriott, while Paul golfs during the day.

I wonder if you will get daily updates like you did when Sue went with Frank to Atlantic city; and the number of "x's" you get each evening.

I do agree with golfman, that Sue is giving you all your wishes to fulfill your "beta" wishes, but if you have reported correctly, she has also given you an out, telling you that she is willing to return to her husband being the "normal", whenever you decide to give your "beta" desires up.
 
  • #165
Before I answer Far2 and Squirm's and Az's posts I wanted to finish how the weekend went. As you can tell, the earlier part of the evening went very well and my comment about her shirt revealing her nipples made them both laugh. What was even more erotic though was seeing his hands come around under her shirt and to watch him hold and caress her breasts and to then see him tweak and pull at her nipples. Hearing her moan and seeing her close her eyes as he did that was probably one of the most arousing moments I can recall.

I thought for sure they'd run up to the bedroom but instead she turned around in his lap and they started to kiss and right there in the living room they started to seduce each other in earnest. She unbuttoned his shirt and he pulled hers up and I have to say it was amazing to watch them just start like that and to see the passion and intensity they both had. He pulled her to him as she pulled her shirt off over her head and I have to say it was just so amazing to watch her being held tight by him as they kissed and I had the erotic thought that he could surely feel her nipples against his chest.

Again I thought they'd run upstairs but again I was I guess too anxious. Their kiss ended and she turned to me now looking just incredibly sexy sitting there topless in his lap. She smiled and then turned back to Paul and kissed him and she said "see, I told you he likes all of this" and she then pushed him back on the couch and lay down against him. He turned to me and I guess he could see the smile on my face as well as my hand massaging the lump in my pants. I don't know if he was going to say something but instead I took the opportunity to lift my hand as if to 'toast' to him and I just said "enjoy". He turned back to her and they started to kiss again and this time he took far more liberty with her. As I watched his hands went down her back to her waist and I was totally rock hard when she sat up a bit to let him reach under her and unbutton and unzip (I heard it) her jeans. When she lay back against him he could now get his hands down the back of her pants.

I remember all of the foreplay quite vividly! When she raised up once again and this time she took the lead to unbutton and unzip his pants, when they went back into their kiss I slid my own hand into my pants. And a few moments later when she rolled off of him towards the back of the couch so both of their hands could roam - it was the first time that I actually felt very comfortable sliding my own pants off and openly masturbating while watching them. Sue looked up at me and had the most amazing smile come over her face when she saw what I was doing. I think it was that which, a few minutes later, led her to say to Paul that they should go up to the bedroom. By then she'd already pulled his cock out and it was obvious that several of his fingers were inside her beneath her pants. When they stood up they both saw me but neither said anything, neither even really paid much notice at all. But before they went upstairs, he pushed down on the waist of her pants and panties and she let them slide down to the floor before stepping out of them and walking naked by me to go upstairs. Paul followed quickly behind her and he was the one who said "why don't you come up and join us in a few minutes Steve".

My thoughts at that moment fit into the last few posts here in that as they walked upstairs I was filled with a lot of different thoughts. One of those thoughts was specifically about how awesome I felt sitting there watching them go upstairs together. I loved seeing her naked body go by knowing she was going to give herself to him. Thing is, it felt really great sitting there watching them - yes, many have said it's like your own private porn movie, that's true - but for me, knowing it was my wife lying there truly letting herself feel all that she wants with her lover - and for me, knowing how fulfilled she is. It made me so horny to see her get all worked up with him like that. And Paul, he was pretty cool about things and hearing him suggest I come up with them was nice - my thought at the moment was that Sue had coached him well. I sat there stroking my hard cock enjoying the moments when I heard some noises upstairs which caught my attention. At first it was just movement but then I heard the distinct sound of Sue's sexual arousal moan!

For as much as I remember about foreplay with them, I have little recall of the exact sequence of events in the bedroom. Suffice that when I came up to the room Sue was sprawled out in the bed with her legs spread wide and Paul with his face buried in her pussy. I could hear him licking and sucking at her pussy and I could only imagine how wet she must have been for him. Neither of them saw me for a while as I watched from the doorway. I jerked off last night to horny memories of this and it's barely 8 hours later and I"m rock hard again as I'm typing this.

I don't know if others here can understand it, but to me, it just felt so wonderful to see her like that with him. Even more as I watched her pull her own legs back for him to get deeper into her pussy. What I have said before and can certainly say again is that there's no doubt I am a cuckold - I stood there stroking my cock as I watched her have one of many small orgasms with him that culminated with her hand holding his head in place as she enjoyed her climax.

At some point they saw me and it was Sue that motioned me over and sort of patted the bed next to them. Paul turned his head back towards me and seemed to nod ok in agreement. By the time I slid my pants off and walked to the bed, they'd moved to a 69 position and Paul was more on his back and Sue on her side facing me. She looked up at me as Paul spread her legs and began to lick and finger her pussy and she smiled as she took his cock in her hand and as I watched, she stroked it and then licked at the tip. I couldn't see it but the thought that she'd licked away a drop of pre-cum from his cock was a huge turn-on.

The 69 didn't last too long if I remember, both of them seemed to need to move ahead. Sue got up and stood there by the bed as both of us just looked at her. She looked beautiful, now fully turned on - her nipples were so darkened in color and oh so hard - but her bare pussy was the telltale - her pussy lips were swollen and also very darkened in color as she stood there and let us both watch as she ran her hands over her body. She shivered herself as she touched her breasts and gently caressed her pussy. With Paul on his back she reached out with her other hand and stroked him. And as we both watched, she climbed up on top of him and began to rub her pussy against the full length of his hard cock.

Neither of them said anything - at least not to me. But I swore as she climbed up on him that she seemed to almost motion me to move closer and watch. Whether she did or she didn't, I did.

Now she'd described to me how she felt as he got her ready for sex - and in this position I saw her hand come snaking through between their bodies and take his cock and guide it to her waiting wet hole! She was open but from my view she was still too tight for him to just enter her and sure enough, my god - it was like he was a human dildo (as Peak or others have said) - she held it him her hand and she rubbed it all around - pushing it harder and harder against the tight opening to her vagina. My god - each time she pushed him in a bit, I guess to stretch her, each time she'd pull his cock away I'd see just how open she was and it was very erotic to actually see into her pussy and see how wet she was. It was just a glimpse for a second or two until she'd rub it again against her opening and this time push it in a little more and then do the same, give me a teasing glimpse. Finally - oh my god was it erotic - but finally she rubbed it against her and I saw her push it a bit more firmly this last time and in an instant the big head of his cock simply popped into her. I was so struck seeing it that her loud moan caught me off guard, hearing her moan out "ooooh and then, ahhhhhh and then a sharp uhhhhhh" was so erotic that it was just her instinctive response to feeling him fill her.

I think if I'd been a bit more on-edge or I'd really been stroking away, that I'd likely have cum right then and there - but I'd been so taken watching her that I had been motionless. She stayed still for a moment with just the head of his cock in her - and her pussy closed up onto his shaft after a moment. I will openly admit that seeing that and the thought of his cockhead nestled right inside her pussy was just amazing. I remembered she'd told me how he seemed to rub against her g-spot or something with how big his cock felt and that thought was confirmed when she began to move and fuck herself on his cock. She took him deeper at first and when she pulled back I could see the wetness on his cock now. And sure enough, it was just a few minutes before she was taking him deeper and deeper until, as I watched, she nestled back and took him all the way so his balls we right up against her thighs.

It's around here that, as I said, I lose track of things. I know I was just taken by watching her slowly impale herself on him, and then, wow, to see her pull back and see his cock emerge from her waiting pussy - it was just amazing. And at that moment, as things began to unfold between them and between us, seeing her fucking him like that - I can't really explain it but it just felt so good for me to think and know that I wasn't going to cum in her. I don't know if I can even find a way to say what I thought or felt - but seeing his cock slide out of her and seeing it glistening with her wetness - I can't explain it but seeing that, it's crazy to say it but seeing that somehow made me not want to cum in her.

I guess getting lost in my cuckold thoughts is where my mental clarity starts to face. It seemed they turned over into the missionary position next and as I'd said earlier, things were very comfortable and I recall Paul being fairly demonstrative with her, but also at times looking over at me and even possibly repositioning himself to let me see him better. At some point Sue said "I told you he likes to watch". She looked equally beautiful spread beneath him. I get so friggin' aroused at seeing her like that when she really wants him and it was obvious she did. At one point he pulled out of her for a moment and he was above her and she looked just amazing lying there beneath him - waiting for him to push his cock back into her. And I noticed that he did that several times - let me see all of her as he pulled himself out of her pussy and then back in. It was so erotic, especially as it became obviously easier and easier for him to pull out of her fully and then push back in. Each time she'd let out a shriek of pleasure he'd push into her and she'd let out this sexy moan when he'd pull out of her.

I wish I could give a chronology of things but it was all a blur. Sue reached out and held my hand at one point and I could almost feel her excitement through her hand in how she held mine and how she tensed up and then would release it. At one point I touched and held her right leg and foot as Paul pushed into her and it was amazing to feel her body move each time. By this point there was no doubt I was going to be taking another turn with her for sure.

In some ways I wished it didn't have to end. I wished it was like a porn movie where I could go back to and rewatch the most arousing parts over and over. But after how long - 15 minutes? 30 minutes? I don't know - it was long dark out so I didn't have a frame of reference. But sure enough, the time was approaching. I've said that even I can tell when Paul is getting close. Sue had cum many times, including several ones that made her shake and quiver beneath him, but I knew that this had been a pretty intense session for both of them and I had a feeling that the end was going to be quite intense - and it was. Paul started his motion that I knew meant he was close - he has this way of pushing into her and then staying deep in her before pulling back and doing it again. And it was happening. At the same time Sue had her knees pulled back as far as they could go but all she was doing was moaning and thrashing her head back and forth each time he'd bottom out in her. It was obvious the end was near and sure enough - as I watched Paul let out a loud moan and I watched him plunge into her one last time and then I watched his butt tense up. He'd stay in her deep and then pull back and immediately push into her again and again. Maybe it's my imagination but I swore I could see each pulse of cum. She let out a loud moan that was just so erotic when he first started to cum, but as he continued to fuck her each time pushing deep into her she started to get louder and louder. I could tell he'd finished cumming but he kept up his pace and as his cock began to get wet and almost foamy around her pussy she began to shake. I knew what was about to happen and I almost yelled out "go for it" - but even without that, a moment later Sue's pussy gushed around his cock as she screamed out and thrashed around moaning screaming. I'd seen her cum before but this was a lot, he'd almost gotten her to squirt and as he kept fucking her she seemed to let build up to an intense outburst of "holy fuck" after which she just fell back onto the bed motionless. Her knees fell to her side as she lay there motionless.

I had seen it all from behind including her whole crotch becoming drenched but I suddenly felt a little self-conscious and I moved more to their side and away from watching them fuck. Paul turned to look at me and he said very casually "want to watch me pull out of her?". Just like that!!!! As if it were nothing. I may have hesitated for a second but I almost immediately answered "yeah". And with that he raised his body up and off of her leaving just his now softening cock connecting him to her. She had opened her eyes and was now up on her elbows and she smiled and turned to me and said "you like this don't you?" and when I nodded, all 3 of us watched as Paul pulled all the way out of her. She just moaned when she felt him pull out and said softly "that was amazing". But it was what Paul said next that surprised me, he said "do you like how she looks Steve?". I didn't know if he meant how she looked overall or how he'd left her pussy - but the answer was the same for me - I said something like "yeah she does".

He rolled off of her and she turned to me and held my hand and she said "if you want a turn, now's the time baby". Just like that, calmly as if nothing was wrong at all. The box of condoms was right there on the headboard and as I reached for one, Paul rolled to one side and he leaned down to start kissing her and caressing her shoulders and breasts. He said stuff to her about how good the sex was (letting me hear) as I pulled the condom on and I moved in between her legs.

I knew then as others have posted here, that this was more for me than her, but it didn't matter. My cock was so hard and as I knelt between her legs and I began rubbing the tip (condom covered) up between her pussy lips - I could definitely feel how wet and warm she was (love the polyurethane condoms) - but at the same time I have to say that I absolutely loved knowing that I wasn't going to feel or cum in her. I just wanted to share the moment and get my own relief and at the same time I so wanted to give her everything she wanted.

I pushed effortlessly into her, and there was virtually no resistance, no nothing, once I was inside her. It wasn't until I pushed all the way in that I could even really feel her and then all I felt was her tightness around the base of my cock. Her pussy was like soft jello inside and the reality that Paul had just fucked her silly swept over me - that her pussy could have had such a workout that she was literally limp from it just stuck with me and even without much friction at all, just the sensations of being in her was enough - I'd like to say that I made her cum or that I lasted a long time - I don't think I lasted more than just a few minutes at most once I was in her. But that was long enough to give me a crazy intense orgasm that even made me moan out loud. Paul had moved back as I started to cum and I was glad he did because it felt wonderful to feel Sue hug me as I came in her even if she was just doing it for me. We kissed for a moment after I'd cum finally and then it just felt right to me to move off of her. I don't think Paul was looking per se but Sue was, along with me as we both watched me pull of out of her and saw the condom I'd just filled be revealed. I heard her moan and even smile as I pulled out, she looked back up at me and we kissed once more before I pulled back and moved out of the way.

No sooner had I gotten up did she roll towards Paul and start kissing him. That part stung - I'll admit it - I was still in my post-orgasmic state and she'd simply turned right back to Paul and started kissing. As I watched his hands again went down her back and held her butt as they kissed. I sat there and watched for a moment before I remembered I need to pull off the condom.

So, I'm going to end this part here by sharing that as I walked into the bathroom to clean up a little bit, I tied the condom in a knot and I held it and I have to say that it was just an amazing and incredibly sexy and somehow crazyily satisfying feeling to see and hold and feel my cum in the tip of the condom. I looked back at them on the bed and how sexy they looked together and that, plus how i felt holding the condom, really made me feel amazingly good. If I'd say there was a moment of bliss - that was it for me. I can't explain it but it just so turned me on and at the same time gave me this crazy satisfied feeling holding the condom in my hand, knowing, I guess, what I'd done as I looked at them.

Squirm - it's a crazy feeling and such an intense thing for me to think about and even agree with but you may be very right, it's scary in a way but you may have gotten it right that I may be using condoms for as long as she's seeing Paul. Thing is, after this past weekend, it's an exciting thought to have.

For me, I just cannot deny the crazy feeling of satisfaction I have. It is so weird but I can actually say that those moments in the bathroom were perhaps the most pleasant ever - not just physical relief, and from how much I seem to cum these days, it's quite physical - but it's so much in my head. I wish I could figure out how to explain it but standing there holding the condom full of MY cum just felt - dare I say - perfect in my head. I so couldn't wait to know, not even to have to be there, but to know that he was surely going to fuck her again and that only he'd be cumming in her.

Someone described the feeling as being as if she's a Playboy model in someways who I am turned on about and so "in love with" but cannot have sexually. I'm not sure it's the same, there's so much more to it but that is some of the feelings.
 
  • #166
Steve,

Simply WOW, another great update. Thank you for sharing your experiences and feelings with the group here.
 
  • #167
Squirm - thanks. It does me a lot of good to put all my thoughts in writing sometimes. I read them back and I know them to be true.

I know that other here, Raks and others, are going to condemn me but then I know how things are with Sue. My god, she was so warm and complimentary to me on Sunday. Paul stayed quite late on Saturday evening and we talked for a bit as he was leaving - Sue remained upstairs in bed. He told me that he'd had a lot of fun with us tonight and he even thanked me for joining them, he said "it was nice". I told him that I'd enjoyed the night and he laughed and said "I could tell". I admit it wasn't the easiest conversation but he was getting his stuff together in the kitchen and as he did he turned to me and said that he hoped I'd be okay about their trip together and he told me that he really enjoys being with her and that "I'll show her a good time". I told him that I was probably okay with it and that I wanted to talk to Sue a bit more about it. He then said "other than being for more time, it's not much different than her staying with me..... I mean other than it being for 3 nights". I admit it was pretty cool talking about things more openly with him. He was on his way towards the steps towards the front door when he paused to shake my hand. As he did he said "she's still awake up there, she told me to tell you to come up after I left". I thought he was leaving when he stopped once more and turned and said to me "she IS really amazing in bed.... thanks a lot for being so cool about this...". And with that he turned and opened the door. I walked down behind him and held the door open and told him to drive safe.

So - the thing is, even though I'd had sex with her not more than 2 hours earlier, as I stood there my cock grew hard yet again and I had an intense desire to masturbate and cum again. But I remembered she was upstairs. It was dark and just the TV was on and when I went in the bed was pretty messed up but she was under a blanket that was just covering her breasts. She smiled at me when I walked in and I slid into bed with her and she turned and pulled me to her. She was naked underneath and as we kissed she didn't stop me from running my hands all over her - including between her legs. She willingly spread them and let me finger her. My god did Paul cum in her that second time apparently! I noticed she had a small hand-towel in the bed under her too and when my fingers went down to the bottom of her pussy and teased her opening the tops of my fingers could feel the wetness on the towel.

She let me feel her - and I could tell how wet and inflamed she was - but it was just the outside - and when I went to push my fingers more deeply into her she reached down and held my hands and said "I've had quite enough baby" and that she had enough attention. Hearing her talk made me even hornier and she must have recognized it because she reached over and felt my hard cock and she turned to me and said she loved me and loved feeling that I was hard again, she said something like "knowing you're hard because of me". She encouraged me to slide up next to her and that I should get naked to be next to her. We went to spoon up and she felt my hard cock against her and she turned her head to me and asked me "do you want to take care of that?" Not that i needed her permission or encouragement - but it was very welcome when she turned to me and said "I'd love to watch you.".

It surprised even me that I was so hard and horny but honestly, it turned me on so knowing she was lying there next to me having not moved since Paul finished with her! And I told her so. I told her that what Paul said to me on his way out had really turned me on. She moved close to me and she said "it was wonderful with him tonight" and then added "... and you, it was so nice with it just working out like that...." and I told her yeah it was. It was me that told her that it turned me on watching them fuck. She encouraged me and when I told her that I liked how I felt when I was there with them as he came in her - she knew I was very close and she leaned over and whispered in my ear "he came even more the second time". Well, that did it. I didn't cum that much - but I did cum a bunch - maybe 3-4 good spurts before just a dribble was left. She kissed me and said "do you feel nice right now?". I moaned that it felt wonderful to really feel like I'd cum a lot.

I'd like to say we talked more on Sunday but it really wasn't much of a talking day - we both felt pressured to do stuff around the house and we spent the day getting the pool closed for the winter. With neither kid home, it fell on both of us to take care of. But last night in bed she did kiss me and ask me how I felt about her going away with Paul. I told her what he'd said to me on his way out and how comfortable I thought I felt about him so I gave her a pretty certain "yes" to which she replied that she'd text or email me every day if I wanted and that "it'll only be 3 nights". We only talked briefly about how I felt about participating with them - but I told her that Paul had made me feel very comfortable and did not make me feel awkward. So I told her that if she felt it was what she wanted, that I would be okay with doing it again.

That pretty much brings us to where we are today. Her plan is to see him tomorrow night and to come home late again and then that he would come here and spend the night this weekend. After that is when they'd be going away together. She knew even before she asked me about her plans that I'd say yes. :)
 
  • #168
She just left for work and we spent some time talking before she did. She thanked me again for such a nice weekend and she playfully cupped my cock and balls through my pants and said that "we'll have some fun later tonight when I get home". I'm quite sure that fun will be us masturbating together. I say that because last night we were tidying up the bedroom and she put the box of condoms into the drawer in her nightstand and as she did she told me that "you'll get to use another one this weekend".

I'm hoping that she'll be home at a normal time but it's a warm rainy day here and I didn't need her to remind me that this kind of weather always makes her very horny and want to spend more time in bed. I need to click send before I get too horny thinking about her later tonight.
 
  • #169
Steve,
You seem to be living the dream at the moment, and enjoying it too. An extra day or two away for Sue to spend on holiday with Paul is of no real consequence really in the scheme of things. The excitement it will generate for you both before and during will more than outweigh the anguish and even after I see no reason for you to have regrets. Enjoy it.

I do think you do need to keep your own position with Sue in perspective though. Others have said more eloquently how much advantage Paul has over you to begin with, time, youth, freshness and it seems energy and stamina can now be added to his technique and unique action. Head to head you can't compete at the moment and it would maybe be counterproductive to try, even if you wanted to. What you do need to do is to consider just how little Sue really seems to want you sexually at the moment. She delighting in your submission and in supervising your masturbation sessions and she is orchestrating mercy fucks in the condom where you can only demonstrate to her and Paul your current inadequacies by coming too quickly in the bag. Sue may love you still on another level but these acts are not a demonstration of it in my view. What joy you are seeing is Sue relishing her dominance by giving you exactly what you want and by showing Paul first hand how only he can currently make her toes curl.

All that is a bit dangerous but fine as things stand but Sue also needs to know that you can still rock her world when she wants you to. Maybe not for a while when you want her to mind. You might just need to plan for that because it may take some discipline on your part to make it happen. Your orgasms at the moment are coming (sorry) exactly when you want them to without any consideration for Sue's pleasure. She wants it that way at the moment so it's ok, but when that switches, if only for a day or a weekend away, you need your game face on. Sue needs the reassurance that you are worth coming back to when the time comes. As the freshness and innovation of Paul slowly becomes more commonplace, his advantage will decline. That's when she will test you, still on her terms. Be ready.
 
  • #170
Peak - I see what you're saying but I think you still de-emphasize the limited sexual connection that Sue and I still have. I agree that some of her actions seem more to appease me than bring her pleasure - perhaps I didn't convey that but while I didn't bring her to orgasm last weekend, she did say later on quite clearly that she loved the time that I took with her and that it wasn't just solely for me or to have me demonstrate my position-sexually.

Of course that's not to say that what you wrote doesn't have some truth to it. Yes, I do see that as this continues, that my sexual involvement with her will likely wane a bit more or perhaps only be limited to even less than we have now. I do also see that there is some risk here, but I don't see the risk as being dire. She's not about to run off with Paul simply because she enjoys the sex with him, no matter how much she does.

And I also cannot deny the way I feel right now. The emotional and physical feelings we have for each other, excluding sexual, have only increased. I know that I felt incredible last night when she came home and we shared a huge hug and kiss and some time to talk and reconnect. It's wonderful for me to let myself be happy for her and to show her that happiness when she came in - it's weird but it feels good to know what she was doing and I even told her that it was an amazingly erotic and arousing feeling to be holding her and kissing her as we were all the while knowing she'd likely just come from his bed and was most definitely still wet from being with him.

In bed last night, as I predicted and expected, we eventually moved into a somewhat mutual masturbation session. Granted it was more of her watching and encouraging me, but it was still us together and for as much as people can say that we don't have sex together very much - and for as much as some will say that her watching me masturbate isn't sex together with her - if you could see or experience how close she is with me and how openly we talk and share, I think some would change their opinion on how together a moment it is.

Last night was a bit different though, she took the time to ask me to tell her what had me so horny and turned-on as I lay next to her. Thing is, as I started to talk she would pause me and she began to prompt me. "Use the right words baby...." she encouraged. It felt strange at first when I told her how hard my cock had been all day and night - she interrupted and said "for tonight baby, call it your penis please". When I talked about seeing her hard nips she told me to "use the proper name" - so it was nipples and breasts instead of nips and tits. And yes, she wanted me to be clinical about everything. And so as I stroked my hard penis last night, she wanted me to tell her what had me turned on so much and what I was thinking about. Wednesday's are normally a night when it's easy to talk to her but it took me a little longer to feel comfortable with her request - but sure enough, just a little while later I told her that "it turns me on to think of you lying next to me with your vagina still filled with Pauls thick semen". She squealed at how sexy it sounded to hear me talk like that. And she encouraged me to tell her "what is it about it that turns you on". So the narrative from me became much more about what was in my head - and I told her, using all the clinical terms - that I loved thinking about her cervix being covered when he came in her - and then corrected that to be "when he ejaculates inside you" - which made her squeal again. And I'll be honest, it was erotic to me - once the ball was moving and I was comfortable with it all, I let my thoughts just roll. I know that I came, or rather, ejaculated, all over myself when I told her that it turned me on so ".... that you've had so much of his semen in your vagina lately that I am sure some of it never comes out.....".

Yes, it was one-sided, she had let me see her as she got changed into just her long-night-shirt, but that was as sexual as she'd gotten while she encouraged me along.
 
  • #171
Steve,
Thanks for the reply. I completely understand that at the moment you have little to fear in Sue's reactions to you. Not nothing but little. I was not trying to suggest that Paul could ever be a threat. I don't think any of the three of you does. What I was trying to say was that Sue needs to see you as worthy to sexually go back to after Paul. The danger is she doesn't and seeks someone else too quickly. Someone unlike Paul but perhaps more like Don who would take the alpha role with her and really marginalise you. Even if you continue to be beta to her, you must also stay a desirable full sexual partner when she needs it. This may well be quite some time in the future but mentally you need to keep it in mind and not let your abilities completely atrophy with lack of use in the meantime. Use it or lose it!
 
  • #172
SoonToBe said:
....... "Use the right words baby...." she encouraged. ........
Steve - I think I missed something here. When did she ask you to use Clinical words???
 
  • #173
Just last night - she said she likes how it sometimes seems to turn me on when she asks me to do that. She was right. :)
 
  • #174
Steve - great updates, good to see that you and Sue are moving forward in a manner that excites you and is enjoyable to both of you :)
 
  • #175
Yeah - and now I feel like I"m in the waiting period till Saturday gets here - weather permitting....
 
  • #176
That is right you do have the large storm heading your way up the coast. Lucky for us it is far enough east that it will not cause us much issues on its way up.
 
  • #177
Yea!! This storm is gonna be real fun.....not
 
  • #178
Well, Friday morning here - nothing to report other than the forecast now shows Hurricane Joaquin going out to sea and missing the east coast entirely.
 
  • #180
The Carolinas are preparing to take a beating. Hope it doesn't screw up the golf courses for next weekend.
 
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