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Our "new norm"

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  • #361
Squirm - well, it was just us, Paul spent the holiday with his family wherever that was this year for him.

What I wanted to get back and post here was some of what we talked about on Saturday and Sunday. Sue started out by saying to me that she really wants me to talk more with Paul and to feel more comfortable around him. She said she's been talking to him about it too and she laughed that we both have some of the same thoughts and stuff. She said that even after all this time, that he's still not always sure of how I feel or what I want so he feels like he has to sort of be on his guard. She looked at me and said "you feel the same way, don't you?". She went on to tell me that I should just relax and talk to him and that he already knows most of everything already - including that it's something that turns me on about using condoms with her. And then she said something that did make me think. I can't recall exactly how she worded it but basically she said that he thinks it's "cool" that it turns me on to use them and in the way she said it, she made me think/realize that had it not been something that turned me on but that i was doing solely because she wanted it, that would have changed how he thought/viewed me. He clearly knows it does turn Sue on a lot - but it was really interesting and curious to me how his view seemed to depend on whether it was something I wanted or not. It's made me think a bit more in general about things but that's for another time.

At one point she told me that "you two are both enjoying me, you guys ought to be able to share that". I asked her what she was thinking and she looked at me and said "when you're with him, wouldn't you like to be able to talk more openly about sex with me?". Before I could answer she said "he said he would like that" and that it would make him feel more at ease when we're all together. I told her that I wasn't sure I could do it with him as it'd taken me this long to feel comfortable just talking to her about it but I told her that I'd try. She said that was all she was asking and that she hoped it'd be something I'd enjoy.

What really did get to me this weekend was when Saturday evening came around and we knew the kids were out for the night. We shared a bottle of wine and we spent a lot of time in the bedroom. She told me how she loved how it felt to be with me, how she could sit there naked in front of me and know that sex would be when and how she'd want it and that I would be there for her no matter what. She was so complimentary to me about how I was taking more openly with her and she told me how in some ways, it made her want me more and made her want to share things with me even more. I told her that I loved that and she giggled and said that I should join her and get naked in bed with her and that we should mess around a little first (her way of saying she wanted to have fun in foreplay). When my hard cock came into view she smiled and said "even though he's covered up, I still love how he feels in me when I want you baby". It was just how she said it that got to me, she picked just the right words to tell me how she felt without question.

She asked me to go down on her and I did so by working my way down from kissing her mouth and ears and neck to sucking at her breasts. My hands worked ahead of my mouth and she was very wet. She moaned that the last time she felt this horny was with Paul and how he will do the same as I was - sucking and almost chewing at her nipples while he would work his fingers all around her pussy but not touch her just yet, to keep her on the edge.

When I got down to kissing her stomach and went to move lower I paused for a moment to look at her - it feels weird to call it pride but how else can you describe loving how beautiful she looked below me. Her breasts heaving with her nipples so hard. Her flat stomach as she lay there leading down to her still bare pussy - now spread wide open. It still takes my breath away that she will lie there like this when Paul is having sex with her. She looked up at me and saw me and asked me what I was thinking and I told her just that - that it makes me so horny to know she gives herself to him this same way - so totally uninhibited now after over a year together.

I guess she picked up on where my head was at because as I licked away at her pussy, even though it was unlikely, she teased me whether I could taste her lover still inside her. Just how she said it was so hot to hear and I moaned back that I wished that I could. She said some other things and I responded in kind - about how she likes Paul to lick her just like I was - and about how sensitive she feels sometimes "when I have to tell Paul to stop for a little while". I absolutely loved hearing her comment slow and then turn to moans as my tongue and fingers brought her to orgasm several times.

I knew after the way she'd felt and cum the last time that she would want me in her quite soon - she gets that way - when I (or Paul) get her to cum several times orally - after the last one, she will literally yell out to "fuck me already". I knew to be ready for that and if I wasn't hard already licking her, as I opened the condom without missing a lick, my cock grew to be rock hard. I wish I could explain it but I just accept it now that knowing I am sheathing up even after tasting how wet and sweet she is, that it just makes me so friggin' hard and horny. But what I totally loved was the look on her face as I moved up away from her pussy and after she'd yelled out she knew what was coming and when she glanced down and saw that I already had a condom - the smile on her face was just amazing to see. Dare I say that the smile makes it so rewarding to me.

Now we've had a lot of sex in the recent past but it was a little different in that we both knew this was time for each other and while she was surely going to tease me about Paul and I was surely going to get into it with her, that it was surely a time for both of us to enjoy each other as much as we could. Instead of me plunging into her I played with her a little - I slapped my cock against her spread pussy and each time I made contact she moaned loudly and she seemed to tremble.

What surprised me even more was when she reached down and took hold of my cock and she began to rub just the tip into her swollen pussy. She held it tight and controlled how far in she let me. What totally turned me on was how she spoke to me - she told me about how it was "too bad you can't feel it as much as Paul does" and then how she told me how easier it is for me to push into her vs. him "with that big cock of his". She looked up at me and said "mmmm, does that turn you on baby?.... is that what you think about?.....".

It quickly turned intense for me and as I slid into her even deeper she continued to tease me that "mmmm, can you feel how wet I am?" knowing what it made me think. She continued to talk to me even more openly than I'd ever heard her and it was just driving me wild. Every time she'd say something to me and I'd hear it she'd look at me and tell me "mmmm, I can feel that turned you on" referring to what she must have felt from my cock. I was obviously very turned on but we were also moving very slowly - I may have pushed into her pretty quickly but as we talked she had me moving very slowly in and out of her and it was so erotic to feel and yet not feel. She let me push all the way into her where we were grinding against each other and she looked at me and said "do you like thinking of him in me right where you are now.... only bare.....?". Had i been actively fucking her and stroking in and out, I surely would have cum but staying totally still inside her I held off and her eyes opened wide when she felt what even I could feel as my cock just throbbed in her. "Tell me baby...." she encouraged me as she held me deep in her with her legs around my back. I was a bit frantic but managed to talk to her a little and told her that it turned me on so much to think about and I even went as far as to tell her that I loved that he would cum in her "right where I am". I would like to say I remember what she said to me but all I remember was her moaning "mmmmm oh yeah...." to what I said and what ever it was it caused me to just explode. I let out a grunt and thrust into her so deep that she squealed and ground herself up at me as I kept fucking her, she kept cumming and cumming until she began to shake beneath me. The condom must help keeping me hard because as I kept fucking her I stayed hard as she moaned and moaned. Even through the condom, I could feel how wet and loose she was when I was done.

A few minutes later, when we both caught our breath I'd already slid out of her and the condom had worked its way loose and her thighs were sticky from what had leaked out. She sat up and giggled at the mess we'd made and she joked "geez, even with a condom you made a mess!". Too much had dried up for me to enjoy licking at her and we both laughed as we went into the bathroom. She smiled at me in the mirror as she dropped the condom into the trash and she then took a washcloth and gently cleaned off my cock and she then let me watch as she put one leg up on the toilet and she wiped herself clean. She had this almost conceited look in her eyes as she looked at me and said "mmmm, you really enjoyed that didn't you?".
 
  • #362
Steve,
It looks like you had a pretty idyllic holiday period. Thanks must surely be given. I'm glad. I'm also glad that you enjoyed your reconnection with Sue so much. Curious you didn't say she enjoyed it too but from your narrative she must have done. Schedule or not you must accept that at least you needs that feeling regularly enough for the feeling not to be forgotten or diluted over time. I still doubt that Sue needs it quite as much but it is healthy for your current relationship that she does at least initiate it.

I'm not at all clear what is behind Sue wanting to get you and Paul closer or at least more comfortable with each other. Without Sue in the middle he doesn't seem like a natural friend for you, so it must fulfill some need of hers. Her explaining that you get turned on with condoms clearly disguises to Paul the extent of her perceived domination of you. So she's either not wanting you seen as a sub or she doesn't want to be seen as an Alpha to Paul. Women! Who can guess why?
 
  • #363
Steve - very good update. Very positive progress.
 
  • #364
Peak - yeah - the holiday/weekend was very nice. I agree with you about a few things. Sue's comment about Paul and what she's told him and what she's not has been something we have continued to talk about but I'm still not sure even she knows what she is hoping for. When we talked about it again last night she said that she wants me to feel more comfortable with Paul and that she wanted to "be sure" I knew what he was doing with her. I told her that I was okay with him but she said that she'd like to be sure "you guys are good for when we go away skiing together". We talked only briefly about it because when I brought it up she said to me "that's what I want us to all talk about together" meaning how things will be when we go away a few times together to go skiing. When I asked her about just "redoing what we did last year" she said that she'd like him to stay with us more and to feel like he's away with us instead of him just stopping by (or staying over briefly) when we're away. When I asked further she said that she wanted us to all talk this weekend when he's here and staying over this Saturday night. (which answered my next questions to her).

I don't know that she has any ulterior motives but that she's said that when we're together for a longer period of time, that she wants to be sure that we will all be good together.

She's seeing Paul tonight for a while so I hope to have more time when I get home to continue this update.
 
  • #365
Steve,
I've said it before and perhaps you see it as less of a problem but you get very few real 'away' holidays. They are time for fun but also time to refresh the soul a little. Completely relax away from work and life at home. You mention 'a few' times to go away skiing. Maybe two or three then. I would suggest that at least one doesn't have Paul with you at all, and that at least one other has him with you only part of the time, perhaps in another hotel. Just forgetting the sexual connections between you and Sue for the moment, you need that pure emotional connection when you go away. However 'comfortable' you are with Paul, you are never going to get that in the same way if he's present.

I would also suggest that you insist that Sue does not sleep with him every night away. However excited you may get, that can't last all night and you may end up feeling more lonely away than you do at home. You need to negotiate and that may be easier to do without Paul being, so before Saturday. If you dig in when he's there, he will collapse immediately. He's not dominant and he won't stand against you even if Sue suggests it.

Diplomacy is always best conducted one on one. That way no third party sees the compromises.
 
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  • #366
Do you think it is just that she wants to make sure that you are comfortable with "living" with Paul around while you are away on vacation? I think she is thinking ahead a bit and wants you to be comfortable with living as a beta for a few days versus just one night and that having an understanding that all will be well outside of the bedroom because everyone understands their roles. Just guessing here. Maybe she wants to see you interact on a more routine basis as they are being a couple?
 
  • #367
Crucial point there Far2 but I think you have dropped your fantasy into their reality. Outside of the bedroom, Sue and Paul are not a couple in the accepted sense. I don't think any of them would be comfortable together being so either when it isn't clearly a sexual event or leading up to one.
 
  • #368
It will be interesting to see the progression over 2016 forward, if Paul sticks around and they can become best buddies, it will be interesting to see how far "his beta" feelings can be pushed. I know we aren't privy to SoonToBe's internal discussions with his wife, but it sounds like she really is interested in keeping Paul around. By bonding the men together, it seems she maybe interested in getting him used to having them two in the house "co-habiting" alot more in the future.

Wouldn't it be awesome, if the three of them could move closer together and even maybe live together more :) Imagine how SoonToBe would feel angst wise :)
 
  • #369
Thanks for answering my question peak. Nor did I drop my fantasy into it, just trying to understand what Sue is looking for. I again will excuse myself from the conversation and allow only the experts to comment. Thanks again STB.
 
  • #370
While each of us have our own perspective based on our prior experiences and taking into consideration everything that Steve has written about over the years with a focus on this past year. During this past year Steve had openly expressed his desire to become the beta (sexually speaking) within his marriage to Sue. Based on everything that Steve has shared with us through this forum, it would appear that their marriage continues to evolve and yes that does include Sue's connection with Paul.

With consideration to Steve's recent post about Sue's comments and question. Maybe I am also reading much more into this then Steve intended although to me Steve has made it clear that Sue has been sharing with Paul more information about about the current arrangement within the marriage (Sue & Steve) and that he would has continued to talk with Sue to determined what has verse has not been shared. It was also clear that Sue would like for Steve and Paul to feel more comfortable around each other and that she wanted Steve to "be sure" he knew what Paul was doing with her. Yes I know that was not verbatim what Steve said although that was the gist I gleamed from it.

As we all know what works for one couple does not always work for another couple, we are all very different even when we have similar desires and interest within the lifestyle we have chosen to explore and for some the journey can be full of surprises. During this past year, Steve expressed his strong desire to Sue about his desire to explore his beta side and has Sue has come to realize, Steve being more beta has allowed her the additional freedom to become explore her own desires which seems to be a variation of Steve's, maybe even complimentary of Steve's desires overall as he continues to explore what it is to be a beta man within a marriage. Some of you may be correct, Sue may be seeing were the limits truly are with how the overall relationship and arrangement has developed over this past year.

It is very possible that Sue physical/sexual connection with Paul may have also developed an emotional component. No I am not saying that this enhance connection is a threat to the strong marriage that Steve and Sue has together, simply saying that Sue may be finding that she would like to have Paul around much more often than he is today. She may want the three of them to truly be comfortable enough around each other outside of the bedroom that they can truly be social, on a friendly level, a place were yes Steve and Paul could build some sort of true friendship out side of simply being the husband of the wife that Paul is enjoying sexually.

While some would suggest that Steve should attempt in some way to restrict and or put conditions on Sue's time with Paul during the trip or after the trip could very well be counter productive and do much more harm then good in the grand scheme of events. Yes Steve and Sue should take some trips together just the two of them for the emotional connection, for the relaxation as mentioned although we all should know and understand that none of us have all the facts as they are not all shared on this forum as Steve has made clear on many occasions.

As to current events and the conversation that Sue initiated, while Sue may not know specifically what she wants it does seem to me that just maybe her connection with Paul has grown to a point beyond were Steve may have expected. Steve may be at a point were he may need to make a choice, does he want to return to being the Alpha man in the relationship or is he truly ready to fully embrace being the beta man within the relationship. Steve may need to make this choice sooner then later, he may need to show that he can be comfortable around Paul in all relationship aspects. As we all know Paul has become Sues primary lover and exclusive when it come to bare intercourse. As I alluded to above, it is very possible that Sue and Paul have developed something more, something more then just the recreational sex, maybe it is simply a friendship, maybe it is more although either way, it does seem that Sue would like to have Paul around more often, not just for the sex. Sue and Steve have likely already spoken about this and if they have not maybe they will in the near future. Steve has a lot to think about and very likely choices to make with regard to how he would like this three way arrangement to continue into the future.

Sue is sounding much more like my own wife and how she prefers everything.

With that said, I am not trying to convey or overlay any fantasies, not trying to make any assumptions, simply putting it out there how it currently appears to be based on what I have read from Steve and others that are following Steve that have contributed to the forum thread.

Steve - I have a feel this is going to be an interesting twist for you.
 
  • #371
Well, despite best intentions, I need to run out this evening for a little while and drop off a snowblower at a buddy's house so he can give it a tune-up and adjust it for the winter. He's a small-engine mechanic so this is his passion.

More when I get home, I expect Sue to be quite late tonight.
 
  • #372
So - I agree that it's different in her wanting me to be more comfortable with Paul. I was thinking that she's said she wants me to be more comfortable with him not necessarily to be more friendly with him. And she's said again how "you both are enjoying me". We talked briefly about it and she agreed that we should talk more before he's here over the weekend.

I asked her what she's told him and as I said, she hasn't told him about everything but he does know that I want her to have him fulfill her sexually. It still feels strange at times to say that, even after all of the opening-up that Sue's pushing, I sometimes think maybe she understands that and maybe its what she's wanting, me to not feel awkward about being aroused by that. I didn't ask her outright but the feeling I got was that it was as Peak suggested, downplaying the beta-aspects and substituting, in some ways, it being more of a fetish/kinky thing. Which is a correct description, just without the "cuck-" prefix to fetish/kink. She is correct though and I do suppose that is because she knows me so well that I would respond better (as I am) to this approach, so if she is orchestrating this, then she's hitting all the right buttons.

What she did say that was comforting is that "he has the same issues as you do you know...." and she proceeded that he says the hardest things and what he's most uncomfortable with is the first moment when he sees me after he's been with her. And it did make me smile when she said that she's helping him along this same thing, to feel more comfortable around me.

Squirm, I do agree with you. I am quite sure that there's a bit more "liking" going on between them than she is fully sharing - but I don't think she feels very emotionally tied to him. No doubt though, and this is something I AM finding it easier to accept, is that she wants him physically. That is one of the lingering feelings I have from what we shared on Saturday, that she wanted to painfully point out what she feels with him and - for as crazy as it sounds turning me on - and what she doesn't feel from me. I cannot find the way to express how incredibly horny it has left me from what she said and did with me.

Peak - we are only talking perhaps 2 or at most 3 weekends away skiing out of a likely 7-8 that we will have in total so there will still be at least 4 or so weekends that will only be for Sue and I. I understand though how she feels, it's a year later and I understand that both of their desires have grown. Whether she spends every night with him or splits them with me, it is something that I agree with her about, that if we are going to be together for more time, then getting us better with each other is a good thing.

Anyway - time to logoff and go pine away some time till she returns.
 
  • #373
Steve,
Good update. You're going to be a lot fitter after that much skiing! I understand the balance better now, as you clearly already did.

For all others wanting to see Paul as the Alpha male in all this, it is becoming clear that he is yet another Beta, just with a different role to you. It may be part of why Sue wants to downplay the name at least in your joint discussions. She doesn't want to start him thinking about which he is. Ignorance is bliss and all that. He probably thinks he has some alpha role in their relationship, but their social interactions to date have been very minimal and their sexual interactions have been overwhelmingly at Sue's instigation and control. Paul knows he is onto a good thing and he won't want to break the spell by overstepping any boundaries put up by Sue. Luckily, so far all she has done to date is to slowly take them down! This might also be part of his 'same issues'.

Sue is clearly on the move though, so I suspect you will find out more soon. Good luck.
 
  • #374
Steve,

Thank you for the additional clarity that you provide Peak and Myself.

As to the remarks by Peak to the group, I can not speak for anyone else although I for one did not think Paul was the alpha within the relationship, I would contend that Paul is a bit more alpha leaning then Steve currently is while Sue is the "true" alpha and has been since Steve conveyed his beta desires to her which in turn allowed for Sue to openly express her complimentary desires. I would agree with Peak that Paul's role is clearly different then Steve's role within the relationship and that is something that was expected through the evolution of the relationship between Steve & Sue along with the inclusion of Paul as Sue's primary sexual partner. I have a feeling that most everyone else may have expected Paul to be alpha due to some of Sue prior sexual partners based on Steve's prior post (prior to Paul). This past year has been very different than all prior years and I am sure for those that have been following can see the change.

I strongly agree with what Peak said about Paul knowing that he has a good thing with Sue and he will not want to doing anything that could be considered overstepping of any boundaries put up by Sue. As Peak also stated, their social interactions to date have been very minimal and their sexual interactions have been overwhelmingly at Sue's instigation and control. While I could very well be wrong, I have a feeling based on the some of the recent post by Steve that Sue may be seeking to up the social interactions. This is one of those times were it would have been good to be able to hear about Sue's perspective. Just as Peak said, "Sue is clearly on the move though, so I suspect you will find out more soon." This could become much more of a Friends with Benefits type arrangement as time progresses as opposed to simply sexual interactions.

Continue to enjoy the journey, it would seem that we are all along with the ride.
 
  • #375
I wrote the reply below before Squirm's last update - but then realized I hadn't posted it so thought I'd just post it anyway even if it's out of sequence or doesn't fit exactly.



Peak - you have an interesting perspective that looking back, I think it's pretty accurate. Other than Don, I think it might be safe to say Sue's been the alpha for all of the other guys. It's something that I don't think I ever considered since I had always thought that this was something I had hoped to bring out in her over time, but I suppose it was her in many ways that was the alpha for Brad in that ultimately she controlled what they did together and when they did it. Other than Don, I have to agree that I think she may have had the upper-hand all along.

I think I was definitely the alpha in our relationship up until 2 or so years ago, but I also knew that I'd seen this side of her long ago. I guess in thinking about it I wasn't the most secure guy in the world long ago when we got together and I can say that even in earlier relationships before Sue, that I'd always felt the need to be the alpha. So for me, I think it just took me to feel comfortable with everything and trusting and all of that to let me relax.

Last night was surely a continuation of her "alpha-ism". She got home just about midnight, not long after I added my last update here. When she came in she was quite animated about the night and said that Paul had missed her - and the way she said it convinced me that they'd probably gone at it pretty well. I had hoped for some fun between the 2 of us but wasn't sure from how she sounded. I followed her up to the bedroom where she giggled as I stared at her as she got undressed. She turned to me with just her panties on and she asked me if I wanted to take them off and I eagerly moved over to sit on the bed right in front of her. It surprised me that she was going to be playful. She watched me as I smiled and put my fingers in the waistband of her panties and began to pull them down.

Of all moments with her - I have to say that is probably the most intense and arousing moment for me - pulling her panties down knowing she's been with Paul and I'm about to see her used pussy and the wetness in the crotch of her panties. There is something just so incredible to me to essentially reveal her this way. First seeing the top of the cleft of her pussy and then slowly revealing her still swollen clit just revealing itself. "He was horny tonight" was what she said to me and when I looked up she was smiling and she obviously saw the look on my face. She sat back on the bed when I slid her panties past her knees. I was too busy pulling them off her ankle at first to look up and see her lie back naked for me. But when I did she was up on her elbows looking down at me as she slowly spread her legs and she started to talk to me and tease me a bit. She said stuff again about how horny Paul was and as she looked at me she said "he left me really messy, didn't he?" she asked as she spread her legs just a little bit more that caused her pussy-lips to part and reveal just how messy she really was. As I moved closer she kept looking at me and as I got closer she said "remember what we talked about.... you know... while you're licking me... you know.... where he was in me....". As I started to put my fingers on her and spread her pussy a little more she continued and said "you know, something you can think about while you take care of yourself while you take care of me....." and with that she lay back and let me have some fun.

I'd like to say she said more to me - she did but to be honest, she did but other than telling me how nice my tongue felt, I don't have a lot specifics to share. Hearing what she said, what I was tasting and feeling in her still warm and quite wet pussy and me stroking my own cock, I was really into it. I know she said he was really horny but there wasn't a flood of cum running out of her or anything like that, but it was so incredible knowing what I was tasting and hearing her taunts about how it got there just tweaked me so much. It was already late and I'd been horny since writing an update here that when she really got into it, so did I. I held on until just after I felt her hand on the back of my head and I felt and tasted her cumming that I let go myself all over the side of the bedspread. When we both got up a few minutes later she smiled at me when she saw my cum on the side of the bed and on the floor below and she said "mmm, I thought you would enjoy that tonight" and she proceeded to go into the bathroom and let me watch her as she did her usual ritual with one foot up on the toilet as she wiped her crotch clean for bed. I was so entranced staring at her when she turned to me - again just something about how her pussy looks, lips slighlty puffy and darkened in color - and me knowing what lies just inside. With both of us still naked she pulled me to her and hugged me and as we kissed she told me, quite passionately, that she loved me.

So - it's now Thursday and I just feel so elated it's almost a weird feeling.
 
  • #376
Steve - you continues to post great updates with insightful details. Looking forward to reading more of your journey.
 
  • #377
Steve,
I'm sure by now that Sue has the weekend mapped out for her and her two men. Clearly you will follow her lead, but what are you actually hoping for?
 
  • #378
Lol - laughing at your last post Peak. She's out getting prettied up again - manicure and pedicure - she says it makes her feel very feminine and usually gets her started on feeling horny for the whole day.

Paul is due here to have dinner with us. Sue keeps on saying that she wants me to feel more comfortable around him and she's also now told me that she wants to know that when we are together for longer periods of time - like today and if we all go away skiing together - that she can "be with him" with me there and that I'll be okay with it. When I asked her what she meant by that last night she smiled and said that she doesn't always want to have to be in the bedroom if they are horny or want to get into it. I asked her what she thought I would be doing and she smiled and said "I guess watching, maybe talking to me or him?" and that sort of fit because she's said that she'd like me to be able to talk with him about the sex with her. I asked her if he was comfortable with that and she said "he said he would if you did" and she again said "you guys, you're both fucking me and yet you both can't talk to each other about it" and she added "wouldn't you like to ask him if I feel good or if I"m wet?" and after a pause she looked at me and said in a more understanding voice "I just think you'd enjoy it, that's all honey, but if you're not comfortable, then don't" and she added "and that's why I want to know if you will or won't be okay if.... you know.... ".

So anyway - she's out and I am sitting here thiking about Peak's question in light of this. I knew this was probably coming - I mean it is what she's said. I just don't know if I can be there right next to them and be talking to Paul like he's an old buddy and we're tag-teaming Sue. In a way it'd be really hot to do it - I mean to ask him like she said "how does her pussy feel?" when he's fucking her and to even ask her "is he all the way in" or something like that - I mean my cock is hard right now thinking about it. But at the same tie I don't know if I can do that just yet with him. I mean I'm first getting comfortable talking to Sue like that - more openly and all that - so I think she is pushing it a bit too much. But at the same time, if she's doing the same with him as she is for me, maybe it explains some of how he's been when I've seen them together more recently - how he seemed to be letting me "see more" of them fucking and that sort of stuff.

One thing for sure - I so want to see her get into it with him. She got me so primed up on Wednesday night that I'm wanting to see him fuck her in person now. She came out of the shower naked just before she went out and it was obvious she'd touched up with the razor and I just looked at her and as she bent over to look in her drawers for underwear and clothes, all I could think about was wanting to see her spread her legs for him later and to see him fuck her. I don't think I'm going to care if it's in the living room, den or bedroom - I just want to see her really get into it with him and to then see her hopeully hold her hand out and want to stroke me while she's at it with him. That would be awesome - it so turns me on to think about how her hand feels as she holds me and how when I can feel her grip release or her stroking stop, how I know she's cumming with him.

Needless to say, I told her that "any room would be hot baby" and she kissed me and her smile said it all.
 
  • #379
Steve,

Speaking from my personal perspective, there seems to be a focus on where you see Sue with Paul in the context of SEXUAL interaction. If you step back for a moment to look at her question with a much more open minded approach, I believe that she is speaking more in term of intimacy which is not always full on sex in the context of fucking, sucking, etc. I believe that Sue would like you to be more comfortable with her being with Paul openly without having to restrict her interaction with Paul. This could and likely would include there one on one interaction that is much more then sexual the way it has recently been spoke about; it is as much about their light touches, there subtle and not so subtle flirting with each other, there hand holdings, there kissing of all sorts, there cuddling, the level of intimacy that is typically shared between a couple that is dating and or married. It would seem that Sue would like you to be truly ok with them as a couple with ALL that entails. Yes she would like you to be able to talk openly with Paul as if he is as much your friend as he is hers. Yes your both very intimate with the same woman, yes you both have sex with the same woman even if that sex is different in how it happens. I believe that Sue is seeking to take the relationship between the three of you to that next level and this is no longer simply about her having a human dildo on the side. You will always be here husband, her best friend, her intimate partner in all things although Sue is developing a relationship with Paul that may be expanding outside of the bounds of simply being sexual only, Sue is bringing Paul into your close circle as a close friend also. This is indeed something to think about, all about choices and the results of those choices that we make.

You and others may say that I am reading much more into this than you have published although I am simply giving you my take on it with consideration to the level of experience that I have had in the lifestyle over the last 20+ years.

Continues to sound like a wonderful journey.
 
  • #380
It seems as if lately the sexual contact between Sue and Steve has definitely increased. I wonder if what Sue might want is more involvement from Steve as a threesome when they are all together.

Steve Before Sues trip you had shared that you were having some Alpha desires you haven't had in a long time. Just wondering if you are still feeling any of that?
 
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