raksdeer said:
Squirm, I understand that your comment refers to me. But aren't you getting judgemental too?
Anyway, that's not the point. Just answer me these simple questions based on STB's narrative.
1. Do you think cuckolding relationships are based on complete trust, openness and communication?
2. Do you think Sue has been completely honest with STB?
3. Do you think any extreme step in cuckolding should be conscious choice of both partners as against one of them trying to push the other?
4. Should one of the partners go ahead with his / her thoughts even when the other partner is aprehensive about it?
5. "Go and live with Paul" was STB's reaction when Sue opened to him. Shouldn't it serve as hint to Sue as to what STB is comfortable with?
6. Also its not about Condom only sex. As illogical as it sounds ( even to STB) the "obligation" problem still persists and Sue doesn't wants to have sex with STB and not only not right now but ever!!!!!!
6. Finally why the hurry to deny? What is the emergency? Why the push?
If you still think my advice to STB is misplaced or misinformed, please tell me why?
Don't take it otherwise Squirm. You have mentioned this earlier and you mention it yet again that I don't respect people opting for a cuckold lifestyle. That's completely wrong Squirm. If I did not I too would not spend time here writing and explaining comments.
Cheers (forgive typos, because I use my cell to type comments)
Rak,
I must assume that you are speaking in reference to post #439 “Sometimes it is amazing how some do not know how to be supportive and also be non-judgmental of choices made by consenting adults.” If this was the case, let me be very clear, this was a general remark to the group, if I wanted to bring specific attention to you, I would have done so openly in the forum and or via private message.
I for one try to not be judgmental when it comes to the lifestyle choices of others, as so many individuals and couples are all over the spectrum in your respective lifestyle choices. As to your seven (7) questions as it relates STB’s narrative as you call it.
You would be naive to believe that every relationship which involves cuckolding are truly open and honest, much less has a full level of trust. As far as the marriage of Steve and Sue, YES I believe that for a relationship to last as long as there’s has, Steve and Sue have had a great level of trust, honest, and open communication. What you have been seeing over the last couple of years is the same in every relationship, both have been holding back just a bit due to the internal conflicts about how they each feel respectively and how that may be inferred through dialog. For both to be completely honest with each other they must FIRST be completely honest to themselves. This is something that you have surely read through Steve’s own post.
As to your question about a couple taking extreme steps and should it be conscious choice of both partners, all members/partners within a relationship will need to determined what works best for their respective lifestyle dynamic. This is a very personal choice between a husband, a wife and in some cases another individuals in which they have brought into the relationship. In the case of Steve, Sue and Paul, it is critical that Steve and Sue are on the same page and at some point the three of them should all sit down and have a talk to clear the air of the direction of the overall relationship as he has been a part of it far longer than any of the other men in which Steve and Sue have been involved with.
As Steve has said within his various post, he opened up the marriage to this lifestyle, he opened up to Sue about his beta desires, as expected at this point Steve is dealing with conflicted feeling which only he can address for himself. Yes he is apprehensive, yes he is conflicted and this is normal for someone that has come out of the closet per say about their own preferences. This is another area were a person needs to come to terms about his or her own preference, desires, needs, feelings, viewpoints before they can clearly formulate a clear series of thought for the purpose of having a truly open honest discussion about everything. Internal individual conflicts verses comfort level, this is something that only Steve can answer.
As to the dynamic which may or may not involved what many here consider denial of one form of sexual contact or another, this is an area which is about choices and the desires of each member within any relationship. What some consider denial other may consider normal. As to your remarks about Sue feeling an "obligation", I think everyone should be glad that Steve and Sue can speak openly about those feelings. Many other marriages would simply find excuses not to have sex, in some cases even cheat without the knowledge of the other partner within the marriage, these are truly common issues in many marriages that have lasted as long as Steve and Sue’s has. I for one, commend them both for having this discussion even if it makes them both uncomfortable, at least they are talking about it.
As to your final question, “why the hurry to deny? What is the emergency? Why the push?”, I have already addressed this in other post including this reply.
Enjoy your viewpoints, and next time you think I am speaking about you, send me a PM to address it with me so we are not hi-jacking Steve’s thread. I will refrain what I said early on, let me be very clear about post # 439, this was a general remark to the group, if I wanted to bring specific attention to you, I would have done so openly in the forum and or via private message.