Dana, talk about jumping the gun.....
So - Tuesday's conversation was very revealing in many ways. Without sex to distract us, it was easier for us to both talk.
Rather than try to recap all of what we talked about, easier to share the summarized version. She was very forward with me and openly admitted that at first (years ago) she did this mainly for me, but now she wanted me to know that she was the one who wanted it - other men, other sexual fulfillment - that she had very much come to appreciate and enjoy all of it. She said many things, that she used to think this kind of behavior and desires was slutty or that sort of thing but now she's come to understand that it's really empowering for her and she's recognizing the control she has over her desires. She also told me that whereas a lot of her friends and even relatives all are commenting on how un-sexy they feel and how sex has diminished in their lives, it's the total opposite for her! That plus she said that she is so much more aware of herself sexually and she's said again how "feminine" she feels. I told her that I guess it's sort of how guys feel when they workout or when they're with a hot-lady, etc.
As part of what I'd posted the other day - where she asked me about whether I still felt like a man - she continued after I told her that I didn't feel threatened in that way and went on to ask about the whole beta thing. Again, rather than trying to recap exactly what was said, the summarized version is that she wanted me to confirm that I still want all of this to happen and she admitted that she doesn't feel she can do it if it's not something that I want and she openly said that knowing it makes me feel good is still a big part of what makes her able to do this. Meaning it's not something she wants to force on me. She also again emphasized that "it's okay" if it's what I want and that she doesn't think any less or differently of me in anyway. She admitted that, now years ago, when we first started all of this, that she didn't feel this way - that she felt it was weird. But now she says that she appreciates that I was able to come out and say it and understands how hard it must have been for me to accept for myself.
I'll also add that this extended into last night, however last night was much more when she wanted me to talk to her and open up to her. As I was masturbating last night she was watching and she even commented on how she could see how much it turned me on and commented on how huge my cock looked as I talked about it.
But on Tuesday, she wanted me to try to tell her why I seem to have such a hard time letting go of my alpha-feelings and she told me point-blank that my beta desires, as I'd even told her, meant that she would have her sexual pleasure primarily with Paul. And as part of that, I just had to accept that she was going to make love with Paul and that she was eventually going to cum with him just as she has/does with me. It wasn't an antagonistic conversation at all, instead it was very loving and encouraging where she wants me to feel more comfortable with me accepting all of this. In turn I told her that after this past weekend, that I'd felt better about it and that I did understand what she was saying. At one point she said that she needed to know this is what I wanted in order for her to let herself go and feel more with him. Before I told her anything further she did turn to me and tell me that she wants this too (and immediately added 'as long as it's what you want').
I admitted that I was hesitant about it. I told her what I'd said here many times - that not ever seeing her with Robert made it easier as it wasn't so in-my-face. But again, after this past weekend, it bothered me less and I'm now quite sure that I will get there. She hugged me and again told me she loved me. I told her that it hurt but in a good way, to see her with Paul. She told me that is something she's coming to understand ( and mentioned her pen-pals helping) that it's okay if it still turns me on and is what I want to have happen. She pushed me to talk to her more openly and not to feel so inhibited about my beta feelings and again, emphasized that it's okay if it's what turns me on. I told her that for me at least, that it's hard for me to talk openly about giving her sexual intimacy to Paul. She said she understood that - and in fact last night, she encouraged me to talk to her more about what turned me on.
In the end, Tuesday's conversation focused on her wanting to know that despite my misgivings or apprehensions at times, that it is what I want. She said that she wants to feel confident and to not feel uncertainty from me so that she can carry on based on her own desires and that she doesn't want to have to worry about me. She emphasized that she wants to be sure that if she and Paul are particularly amorous and intimate that she doesn't have to worry that I"m going to be upset or anything. That was when I had to tell her that despite any of my angst and even how I felt on the prior weekends at our house, that even with my ill feelings, that I never felt that I didn't want it to happen. The look on her face at that moment really seemed to finally convince her of my sincerity.
Apparently that broke a bit of a log-jam for her, and me too. Our conversation moved from uncertainly and question/answer to a more open sharing. She told me that it turns her on that she knows that she'll be having more exclusivity with Paul in the future and made it quite clear to me that she was very much looking forward to me starting to use condoms with her again, openly telling me that she knows it will increase the intensity and intimacy she shares with Paul. I told her that it turned me on to think about and that seeing him cum in her last weekend, while the actual moment is still quite angst-filled, that seeing him pull out of her bare and knowing he'd cum in her, that it did reinforce the strange desire I have to let her only have that with him. She squealed that hearing me say that turned her on so much.
We talked a bit about what-ifs.... Before we got into it she looked at me and told me that she wanted this to be a bit more than last time and again said that she didn't want to have too many exceptions where I'd get to feel her bare again (I did not push that, just happy to hear that it wasn't going to be 100% absolute). I asked her if she was still thinking she might want more than just my using condoms. She looked at me and asked me "do you want that?". I was quiet for a second but then took a deep breath and told her "maybe" and I told her that it would depend on how everything was going. She looked at me and asked "would it be something you'd want to try for a little while first and then decide?" and she immediately add that this wouldn't be until sometime next year which relaxed me that it wasn't something she wanted right away. I was honest and told her that if things were good that it might be something different we could try next year which brought about another squeal of delight and a hug and her again repeating that "I want it to be good for you" and I told her that I didn't know why but the thought of it did turn me on.
About the last big thing from Tuesday was her telling me again that I should be the one to tell Paul what we/I want. I told her what I had thought about, suggesting it was something she'd been interested in - and I guess I wasn't surprised really when she said "it should come from you". I told her that I'd thought about that and that I had an idea to tell him that it's something we're doing as a holiday present that I"m giving to her (as opposed to her asking me) and that I hoped I'd be able to say to Paul that in a way, it's a present for him too. She asked me how I was going to feel telling him that and when I thought I would do so. I told her that I hoped I would feel good about it and that I hoped he'd take it the right way. I told her that I thought I'd tell him when it got closer to Christmas. She smiled broadly and told me how good that sounded and then she said that she would start to mention things to him a little so that maybe it wouldn't be quite the surprise. I asked her again if she might tell him and she looked at me and said that it's something I should do and even mentioned that it is something a "beta" should do.
Now of course we talked about some of my fears, concerns and apprehensions too. I told her that I feared that we might not be able to get back to "just us" and she pooh-poohed that and pointed out that we had no problem getting back to "just us" for almost the past year. I didn't tell her that she's also fucked 3 new guys in that time - Glenn, Tony and now Paul - but I still did feel good about how she emphasized how we did get back together. I also told her that I wasn't sure how I was going to feel being around them after New Years. She held me tightly at that point and said that she was sure that Paul wouldn't make me feel weird about it and that she would be sure to keep him in line and that she was sure that if she was turned on by it, that he would be too. She reminded me of how I was when she was with Don and I didn't have sex with her at all at his place. I told her that Paul and Don were different people and that Don was a more aggressive person. She agreed but said that Paul cares about her and has said that he wants this to work for all of us so she thinks it'll be fine and then asked me if I thought I'd be turned on if I'd have used a condom with her this past Saturday. I told her that if the circumstances were right and I was comfortable with it, that it probably would have been okay.
So, as I said, we got a lot out in the open on Tuesday such that last night was somewhat enlightening. But that will have to wait till after lunch.