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Denial 2015
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She asked why I was staying up and I told her I was still horny and she smiled and said I should go enjoy myself.
While it's still as fresh in my mind I wanted to put pen to paper (so to speak).
Yes, it was a really intense moment and I know I felt pulled in two different directions - I will admit that it was quite humbling to see him fuck her like that and to see her respond like she did. She lay there motionless with one leg slightly bent and I'm not even sure if she knew I was there or anything at that moment.
I don't know how to explain what I felt other than to say that it scared me a little bit for sure - I mean she really was out of it and I just can't fully describe how she looked lying limp there and seeing her pussy lips just parted and glistening between them. I felt it very pointedly that I wasn't going to get to feel her like that and that what I was seeing was all I would have of her. I can't describe it other than knowing I would love to have plunged my cock into her at that moment and yet, at the same time, I honestly didn't want to. I don't know how else to say it other than that honestly - despite how much I longed to feel her just fucked soft wet pussy - at the same time, after what I'd just seen, I honestly wanted to jerk-off and just leave her and leave me with the memory of what I'd just seen. I know it sounds weird to say it but that's the best way to describe it.
Even now, I wince at thinking I haven't felt her now, bare, in so long - but at the same time, damn does it turns me on to know that.
I knew I needed to say something after what he'd said so I just said "yeah...." and it wasn't that it was hard to talk to him, it was more that I didn't know what to say so I just said "... looks like she enjoyed herself". He turned to look at me and I have to say it was awkward talking to him with his cock still kind of hard and still wet and now with cum in a drop at the end of it but he said with a slight laugh "... she said you were into watching...." and after a short pause he added ".... that's cool...." and with that he sat down on the bed next to her.
I guess the motion of the bed made her rouse a bit and I will say again that just as in the past, it still hurt to see her put her arm around him and pull him tight right then. But he was leaning down now and kissing her forehead and I quickly felt like a third wheel so I left the room.
I was really hard when I left the room and I was really tempted to logon to the computer and maybe even jerk off but I also knew that she'd said she wanted me to be there for both times so I didn't want to lose track of time. Instead I got a beer and I stood in the kitchen looking out at the little bit of snow that had continued to fall. It was the first time I'd had a calm moment and I'll be honest and say that I felt a little emotional and even shed a tear or two at what I'd just seen. I guess, no matter what I say and profess, that at times I still have some apprehension at it all. And yet, I immediately recognized that the other thought in my head was me hoping they hadn't started their second round without making any noise or coming to get me. And that made me laugh to myself. Even after all this time, it still gets to me - I love it and I love being a part of it - but it does still pinch me down deep inside when I see him cum in her and I see her respond as she does.
Thing is, I only stood there for a few moments before Paul came down to the kitchen in what I realized were a pair of his shorts he'd brought with him - and it struck me as funny that he'd brought an overnight bag for some reason. He asked me if he could have a cold-one and I told him sure and he came over and stood next to me. It felt like a weird moment standing there with her lover but then he said that "you are some husband to let her do this with me". I turned to him and told him that it wasn't easy and that him being cool about it made it easier.
"It's just the sex you know?". I heard what he said but I didn't understand it and then he said "it's just the sex... it's like...." and then he said it "....she just enjoys the heck out of it.....".
No, we didn't talk about technique or how she felt or what position, but we did talk about him and her. He told me that it's been so long for him since he'd been with a woman who loved sex as much as Sue seems to. "She loves you man. I couldn't ever come between that." and I told him that was good but then he added that as long as I was good with it, that he wanted to give her what she wanted. We talked for a bit, again he talked in generalities but eventually he came out and asked me "you going to be okay with her staying with me on Tuesdays?". I looked at him and once I caught myself from the thoughts I had from what he said I told him an honest "thank you for asking" and then I added that "we'll see how it goes but we can try it out". He was quiet for a moment and then I added "its something I knew she'd want eventually". He didn't say anything back to me but smiled.
Finally Sue re-appeared looking quite disheveled but with a tell-tale smile on her face. She gave me a little hug and then gave Paul a kiss and moaned about "what did you do to me". I was looking out the window but could see her reflection in the glass and I don't think she saw me - but I saw her take a tissue from the dispenser and reach under her night-shirt and blot at her pussy. My cock was so hard.
We all looked out at the snow-covered backyard and talked about how nice the snow is going to be next weekend. I think it was innocent and not meant to taunt me, but it surely did anyway. She cooed about how nice it'll be and he talked about how he's going to meet up with his friends who we've learned, have a place up there of some sort. So perhaps he won't be spending the night as I'd thought? Not sure yet.
It had probably been close to 45 minutes now since their passions had subsided and we brought out some snacks and a few non-alcoholic drinks. It felt strangely normal for the 3 of us to be talking so easily and calmly around the kitchen table. I'm not sure how long we all were talking but it was pretty late when Sue left to use the bathroom and left Paul and I alone. He asked me - as if it was nothing - whether I was going to stay with them "this next time". I asked him if he minded and he laughed and said no and then he said that he "liked knowing it turned Sue on" that I was there with them. It was weird to hear him telling me what Sue had apparently explained to him.
In a way I was a little embarassed about it, but I am slowly getting over that feeling. I keep feeling that Paul or whoever will judge me or perhaps think I'm gay or inadequate because of what I enjoy and how I enjoy it. And yet, I continue to see that I don't feel that way and that most other guys aren't making me feel that way- so maybe one day it'll be easier for me.
A few moments later we heard Sue and she was in the hallway just outside the kitchen and she was calling for Paul and that she needed his help. He yellled back that he was coming and I followed. As he approached the hallway he asked what she needed help with and just as I put my head into the hallway I saw that she was standing there naked on the first step and I heard her say "I need your help with this" and as I watched he kissed her and she guided his hands to her lower back and butt. I was about to fall back when I saw her eyes open and look at me and she smiled when their kiss ended and she motioned for me to follow. I nodded and shooed them away.
I gave them a little time alone again and this time I was surprised when I looked in and he was going down on her. I was surprised and my first reaction was that "hmmm, she lets him lick her after they've had sex" and then laughed at my own realization as a huge "duh" moment.
Whereas they paid me some attention the first time around, this time they were much more into each other and while I did move around and even moved in pretty close, I was also very careful to not be in their way and I succeeded. But for most of this time around for them, Sue was much more passive and much of their sex was spent with Paul being deep in her but only gentle motions overall. She again insisted on sucking him to hardness but this time there wasn't any interaction with me, I was truly just a spectator.
For them both having gone at it pretty good earlier, it surprised me how quickly they were both reallly getting into it again. He put his hands on the back of her head for her to suck him in deeper. She gagged a bit but made no complaints and I have to say, seeing his huge knob of a cock pull out of her mouth was almost as arousing as seeing him pull out of her pussy.
I knew i wasn't going to have any of her pussy and I was so horny that I began to realize that maybe I should see if I could jerk-off while they were going at it. I didn't want to disturb them so I slipped off the bed and undid my clothes down to my boxers. I felt like a teenager with a tent in my pants as I stood there and looked up at her still slurping on his cock but now with two of his fingers buried cup-like in her pussy and with her hip motions becoming more and more pronounced.
I didn't even remember doing it but at some point I fished my cock out through the fly-flap in my boxers and it seemed like suddenly they were about to fuck. I hadn't even seen him change positions and now as I watched, he rolled onto his back and she was poised to straddle and slowly impale herself on his cock. Her eyes were so glazed over as were her fingers as they looked so sexy on his cock as it was her this time that rubbed it all around her ******* pussy spreading her's and his wetness.
i couldn't take my eyes off of her as she rubbed it forwards and then backwards and then in a circular motion - and then, pulling her knees apart I watched her take him in her slowly. Oh so slowly. It was beautiful and so crazy to see her so horny and taking control of the postion herself. But seeing her slowly inch down on his cock was hauntingly sexy. She leaned forward and he knew what to do - he took her breasts in his hands and proceeded to pinch and gently squeeze her nipples. She was juicing up and even if I couldn't see it in the dimmer lights, I could surely see and hear it as she slammed herself downward on his cock until with one last time she plunged downward and shook and shuddered for a moment before letting out a sexy giggle and then pulling herself complete off of him.
Again - so brazenly - she just lay on her back against the pillows in front of our headboard and spread her legs for him. There is something just so crazy about seeing her like that - and yet, she looks just so beautiful - wanting him so.
And didn't she have him. He consumed her this second time. She was slick and wet and open for him that dare I say she looked totally sluttish at that moment with her entire self ******* and waiting for him to use her. And so he did.
A moment later he pulled her legs downward on the bed and aligned himself up and almost effortlessly pushed right into her.
There was something just so intense about them this second time- she seemed so much more pliant and relaxed and eager for whatever he wanted. And now, now that he filled her once again, her eyes opened wide and I am assuming the sexual daze cleared from her head as I saw her hunker herself down and did see her start to fuck herself upwards at each of his thrusts into her.
She just looked so beautiful at that moment - the distant glazed look in her eyes and the unmistakeable moan from her as she felt unmistakeable approach of her next orgasm.
I should say that Paul is pretty well groomed and must do some man-scaping as he doesn't have this wild bush of pubes blocking my view and this time, I will admit openly that I enjoyed what I was seeing. Yes, it's weird to stare at his back and butt and to look below and see his cock in her. I do love to watch her fuck like that but it is just a weird position if he doesn't pull her downward and then push her back a bit more. Well that is what was just about to happen - he pulled back and out of her - pulled her down the bed and then pushed her legs back - this time resulting in her pussy being open as he arched her back and positioned himself for a more pleasureable time.
I know I've said this before but I don't know if I'll ever get tired of seeing her like that - giving herself to her lover.
That did the trick and in this new position he fucked her so much more deeply that I knew it wasn't going to take either of them long.
She was moaning about how goood she felt and about how good he felt. He was moaning right back at her telling her how good she felt.
I think I'd hoped this would have lasted longer but now I recognized that it was Sue who seemed like she was controlling what was happening with Paul because she began to tell him to fuck her harder and deeper - and she told him more and more loudly too. He hoooked her legs around his arms in my favorite position and I think it was around then that I put my hand into my boxers - and I remember, my thought was to just adjust myself - but as I held my cock and I watched them fuck savagely I became acutely aware that my cock was on the very edge.
I struggled to control myself until he began to literally pound into her - pounding her into the bed. What totally turned me on was the unintelligle things that Sue began to spew - moans and groans. Followed by Paul soon changing is rhythm into that familiar deep thrust and then a few gentle ones and then another deep one. When I recognized his rhythm and I recognized that he was just moving into that final pattern - I'm going to say it for Pnisnvh and the others - when I recognized he was about to cum in her, I wasn't even thinking about it when I gently stroked my cock and that was it - I let out a soft grunt that I'm not sure if they even heard - but I did as I came violently with spurt after spurt flying out onto our bed.
He fucked her hard and deep and god bless him - he came again in her as I watched. I hadn't lost any of my desire to see him cum in her as I felt the last of my own orgasm fading. Instead it actually felt pretty good that I'd cum so spontaneously like that and I have to admit that it again turned me on to see him taking her again. I didn't think he could or would do it but he didn't go soft immediately and in one smooth motion he seemed to move right into hooking his arms beneath her and holding her still while he rode her. And sure enough, feeling (and I could see it) his slick cock running in and out of her did it - she let out a loud "oh god" and then her body began to spasm and tremble as he again drove her to her favorite Big-O ending. I tell you it was just quite a beautiful moment.
I stayed until she stopped moving and he held her closely. For as spent as she was just a moment or so later she reached up and hugged him and held him close to her. And that was when she looked over at me and I guess she could see the wet-spot on my boxers because when her eyes came back up to mine the smile in them and on her face was totally apparent.
I left them alone shortly after that. And even after that, I still needed to relieve myself again before bed thinking about the two of them together in our bed. I was tired - but even now, just 24 hours later, I still feel like I am swept up in a whirlwind.
But for right now, my immediate need is also apparent. I hope to have time in the morning to read what I've just regurgitated and hopefully not be horrified at my rambling.
While it's still as fresh in my mind I wanted to put pen to paper (so to speak).
Yes, it was a really intense moment and I know I felt pulled in two different directions - I will admit that it was quite humbling to see him fuck her like that and to see her respond like she did. She lay there motionless with one leg slightly bent and I'm not even sure if she knew I was there or anything at that moment.
I don't know how to explain what I felt other than to say that it scared me a little bit for sure - I mean she really was out of it and I just can't fully describe how she looked lying limp there and seeing her pussy lips just parted and glistening between them. I felt it very pointedly that I wasn't going to get to feel her like that and that what I was seeing was all I would have of her. I can't describe it other than knowing I would love to have plunged my cock into her at that moment and yet, at the same time, I honestly didn't want to. I don't know how else to say it other than that honestly - despite how much I longed to feel her just fucked soft wet pussy - at the same time, after what I'd just seen, I honestly wanted to jerk-off and just leave her and leave me with the memory of what I'd just seen. I know it sounds weird to say it but that's the best way to describe it.
Even now, I wince at thinking I haven't felt her now, bare, in so long - but at the same time, damn does it turns me on to know that.
I knew I needed to say something after what he'd said so I just said "yeah...." and it wasn't that it was hard to talk to him, it was more that I didn't know what to say so I just said "... looks like she enjoyed herself". He turned to look at me and I have to say it was awkward talking to him with his cock still kind of hard and still wet and now with cum in a drop at the end of it but he said with a slight laugh "... she said you were into watching...." and after a short pause he added ".... that's cool...." and with that he sat down on the bed next to her.
I guess the motion of the bed made her rouse a bit and I will say again that just as in the past, it still hurt to see her put her arm around him and pull him tight right then. But he was leaning down now and kissing her forehead and I quickly felt like a third wheel so I left the room.
I was really hard when I left the room and I was really tempted to logon to the computer and maybe even jerk off but I also knew that she'd said she wanted me to be there for both times so I didn't want to lose track of time. Instead I got a beer and I stood in the kitchen looking out at the little bit of snow that had continued to fall. It was the first time I'd had a calm moment and I'll be honest and say that I felt a little emotional and even shed a tear or two at what I'd just seen. I guess, no matter what I say and profess, that at times I still have some apprehension at it all. And yet, I immediately recognized that the other thought in my head was me hoping they hadn't started their second round without making any noise or coming to get me. And that made me laugh to myself. Even after all this time, it still gets to me - I love it and I love being a part of it - but it does still pinch me down deep inside when I see him cum in her and I see her respond as she does.
Thing is, I only stood there for a few moments before Paul came down to the kitchen in what I realized were a pair of his shorts he'd brought with him - and it struck me as funny that he'd brought an overnight bag for some reason. He asked me if he could have a cold-one and I told him sure and he came over and stood next to me. It felt like a weird moment standing there with her lover but then he said that "you are some husband to let her do this with me". I turned to him and told him that it wasn't easy and that him being cool about it made it easier.
"It's just the sex you know?". I heard what he said but I didn't understand it and then he said "it's just the sex... it's like...." and then he said it "....she just enjoys the heck out of it.....".
No, we didn't talk about technique or how she felt or what position, but we did talk about him and her. He told me that it's been so long for him since he'd been with a woman who loved sex as much as Sue seems to. "She loves you man. I couldn't ever come between that." and I told him that was good but then he added that as long as I was good with it, that he wanted to give her what she wanted. We talked for a bit, again he talked in generalities but eventually he came out and asked me "you going to be okay with her staying with me on Tuesdays?". I looked at him and once I caught myself from the thoughts I had from what he said I told him an honest "thank you for asking" and then I added that "we'll see how it goes but we can try it out". He was quiet for a moment and then I added "its something I knew she'd want eventually". He didn't say anything back to me but smiled.
Finally Sue re-appeared looking quite disheveled but with a tell-tale smile on her face. She gave me a little hug and then gave Paul a kiss and moaned about "what did you do to me". I was looking out the window but could see her reflection in the glass and I don't think she saw me - but I saw her take a tissue from the dispenser and reach under her night-shirt and blot at her pussy. My cock was so hard.
We all looked out at the snow-covered backyard and talked about how nice the snow is going to be next weekend. I think it was innocent and not meant to taunt me, but it surely did anyway. She cooed about how nice it'll be and he talked about how he's going to meet up with his friends who we've learned, have a place up there of some sort. So perhaps he won't be spending the night as I'd thought? Not sure yet.
It had probably been close to 45 minutes now since their passions had subsided and we brought out some snacks and a few non-alcoholic drinks. It felt strangely normal for the 3 of us to be talking so easily and calmly around the kitchen table. I'm not sure how long we all were talking but it was pretty late when Sue left to use the bathroom and left Paul and I alone. He asked me - as if it was nothing - whether I was going to stay with them "this next time". I asked him if he minded and he laughed and said no and then he said that he "liked knowing it turned Sue on" that I was there with them. It was weird to hear him telling me what Sue had apparently explained to him.
In a way I was a little embarassed about it, but I am slowly getting over that feeling. I keep feeling that Paul or whoever will judge me or perhaps think I'm gay or inadequate because of what I enjoy and how I enjoy it. And yet, I continue to see that I don't feel that way and that most other guys aren't making me feel that way- so maybe one day it'll be easier for me.
A few moments later we heard Sue and she was in the hallway just outside the kitchen and she was calling for Paul and that she needed his help. He yellled back that he was coming and I followed. As he approached the hallway he asked what she needed help with and just as I put my head into the hallway I saw that she was standing there naked on the first step and I heard her say "I need your help with this" and as I watched he kissed her and she guided his hands to her lower back and butt. I was about to fall back when I saw her eyes open and look at me and she smiled when their kiss ended and she motioned for me to follow. I nodded and shooed them away.
I gave them a little time alone again and this time I was surprised when I looked in and he was going down on her. I was surprised and my first reaction was that "hmmm, she lets him lick her after they've had sex" and then laughed at my own realization as a huge "duh" moment.
Whereas they paid me some attention the first time around, this time they were much more into each other and while I did move around and even moved in pretty close, I was also very careful to not be in their way and I succeeded. But for most of this time around for them, Sue was much more passive and much of their sex was spent with Paul being deep in her but only gentle motions overall. She again insisted on sucking him to hardness but this time there wasn't any interaction with me, I was truly just a spectator.
For them both having gone at it pretty good earlier, it surprised me how quickly they were both reallly getting into it again. He put his hands on the back of her head for her to suck him in deeper. She gagged a bit but made no complaints and I have to say, seeing his huge knob of a cock pull out of her mouth was almost as arousing as seeing him pull out of her pussy.
I knew i wasn't going to have any of her pussy and I was so horny that I began to realize that maybe I should see if I could jerk-off while they were going at it. I didn't want to disturb them so I slipped off the bed and undid my clothes down to my boxers. I felt like a teenager with a tent in my pants as I stood there and looked up at her still slurping on his cock but now with two of his fingers buried cup-like in her pussy and with her hip motions becoming more and more pronounced.
I didn't even remember doing it but at some point I fished my cock out through the fly-flap in my boxers and it seemed like suddenly they were about to fuck. I hadn't even seen him change positions and now as I watched, he rolled onto his back and she was poised to straddle and slowly impale herself on his cock. Her eyes were so glazed over as were her fingers as they looked so sexy on his cock as it was her this time that rubbed it all around her ******* pussy spreading her's and his wetness.
i couldn't take my eyes off of her as she rubbed it forwards and then backwards and then in a circular motion - and then, pulling her knees apart I watched her take him in her slowly. Oh so slowly. It was beautiful and so crazy to see her so horny and taking control of the postion herself. But seeing her slowly inch down on his cock was hauntingly sexy. She leaned forward and he knew what to do - he took her breasts in his hands and proceeded to pinch and gently squeeze her nipples. She was juicing up and even if I couldn't see it in the dimmer lights, I could surely see and hear it as she slammed herself downward on his cock until with one last time she plunged downward and shook and shuddered for a moment before letting out a sexy giggle and then pulling herself complete off of him.
Again - so brazenly - she just lay on her back against the pillows in front of our headboard and spread her legs for him. There is something just so crazy about seeing her like that - and yet, she looks just so beautiful - wanting him so.
And didn't she have him. He consumed her this second time. She was slick and wet and open for him that dare I say she looked totally sluttish at that moment with her entire self ******* and waiting for him to use her. And so he did.
A moment later he pulled her legs downward on the bed and aligned himself up and almost effortlessly pushed right into her.
There was something just so intense about them this second time- she seemed so much more pliant and relaxed and eager for whatever he wanted. And now, now that he filled her once again, her eyes opened wide and I am assuming the sexual daze cleared from her head as I saw her hunker herself down and did see her start to fuck herself upwards at each of his thrusts into her.
She just looked so beautiful at that moment - the distant glazed look in her eyes and the unmistakeable moan from her as she felt unmistakeable approach of her next orgasm.
I should say that Paul is pretty well groomed and must do some man-scaping as he doesn't have this wild bush of pubes blocking my view and this time, I will admit openly that I enjoyed what I was seeing. Yes, it's weird to stare at his back and butt and to look below and see his cock in her. I do love to watch her fuck like that but it is just a weird position if he doesn't pull her downward and then push her back a bit more. Well that is what was just about to happen - he pulled back and out of her - pulled her down the bed and then pushed her legs back - this time resulting in her pussy being open as he arched her back and positioned himself for a more pleasureable time.
I know I've said this before but I don't know if I'll ever get tired of seeing her like that - giving herself to her lover.
That did the trick and in this new position he fucked her so much more deeply that I knew it wasn't going to take either of them long.
She was moaning about how goood she felt and about how good he felt. He was moaning right back at her telling her how good she felt.
I think I'd hoped this would have lasted longer but now I recognized that it was Sue who seemed like she was controlling what was happening with Paul because she began to tell him to fuck her harder and deeper - and she told him more and more loudly too. He hoooked her legs around his arms in my favorite position and I think it was around then that I put my hand into my boxers - and I remember, my thought was to just adjust myself - but as I held my cock and I watched them fuck savagely I became acutely aware that my cock was on the very edge.
I struggled to control myself until he began to literally pound into her - pounding her into the bed. What totally turned me on was the unintelligle things that Sue began to spew - moans and groans. Followed by Paul soon changing is rhythm into that familiar deep thrust and then a few gentle ones and then another deep one. When I recognized his rhythm and I recognized that he was just moving into that final pattern - I'm going to say it for Pnisnvh and the others - when I recognized he was about to cum in her, I wasn't even thinking about it when I gently stroked my cock and that was it - I let out a soft grunt that I'm not sure if they even heard - but I did as I came violently with spurt after spurt flying out onto our bed.
He fucked her hard and deep and god bless him - he came again in her as I watched. I hadn't lost any of my desire to see him cum in her as I felt the last of my own orgasm fading. Instead it actually felt pretty good that I'd cum so spontaneously like that and I have to admit that it again turned me on to see him taking her again. I didn't think he could or would do it but he didn't go soft immediately and in one smooth motion he seemed to move right into hooking his arms beneath her and holding her still while he rode her. And sure enough, feeling (and I could see it) his slick cock running in and out of her did it - she let out a loud "oh god" and then her body began to spasm and tremble as he again drove her to her favorite Big-O ending. I tell you it was just quite a beautiful moment.
I stayed until she stopped moving and he held her closely. For as spent as she was just a moment or so later she reached up and hugged him and held him close to her. And that was when she looked over at me and I guess she could see the wet-spot on my boxers because when her eyes came back up to mine the smile in them and on her face was totally apparent.
I left them alone shortly after that. And even after that, I still needed to relieve myself again before bed thinking about the two of them together in our bed. I was tired - but even now, just 24 hours later, I still feel like I am swept up in a whirlwind.
But for right now, my immediate need is also apparent. I hope to have time in the morning to read what I've just regurgitated and hopefully not be horrified at my rambling.
What an exciting night! I do think that if you came out and told her that it was okay to move forward with total penetrative denial, she would appreciate it and take the lead. It appears that everyone is ready and this will help her get into it. She is still thinking about your sexual happiness, once you tell her its okay, she can move past the feeling of wanting to give you her pussy to jack-off. Just a thought. i just think she needs to hear it from you.
Steve - Sounds like you three had a great weekend and it is good to hear that everyone does seem to be on the same page per say. As just mentioned by "Far2", it may indeed be a good time to move forward with the total penetrative denial as Sue would likely appreciate it and it already sounds as if Paul is very much open to it.
Steve, thank you for such a detailed account of your weekend. I can see that Sue and you are continuing to make steady progress towards her goals. I put it that way because Sue is really in charge right now, and for that reason I don't think you should suggesting any changes yourself. Not beta. If Sue does ask though, I think you should be clear what your issue with her offering her pussy for you to masterbate in really is. Whether it's a lack of connection or your desire not to penetrative her. She needs to know even if we don't. I'm glad you finally managed to come in her presence. Maybe next time you could do it each time they do. You should surely be excited enough and that would clearly show Sue that too. Just a thought.
Steve,
Thank you for the detailed description of your Saturday night. As always, your descriptions of your feelings as the events unfold paint a wonderful picture of what it is really like to have a hotwife and be denied. It is great to read the realities of the situation rather than the glorified stroking material on porn sites.
My wife occasionally has orgasms like the ones you described. They are magnificant to behold and to see her ********** afterward. She has asked me if I would be okay seeing her orgasm like that with another man. Your descriptions help me understand what I might go through while watching it. My wife said that having me there might give her the comfort to let herselff go and maybe reach those intense orgasms, or higher orgasms, with another man. So that leads me to some questions for you. Do you think her orgasms when they are at his place are just as intense, or do you think having sex with you present in your familiar surroundings drives her to a higher level of orgasm? Do you think that when you and Sue finally reconnect after Paul that she will have the same intense orgasms?
Squirming - of course Paul is very much for it. What man wouldn't? Right now he is having fantastic sex with a hot woman 5 or 6 times a week (2 on Tuesday night, maybe one before work on Wednesday, 2 on Saturday night and maybe one Sunday morning). If Sue moves to complete denial of Steve, she will be getting hornier and likely want to move to a Tuesday & Wednesday night stayover, as well as the weekend sex. The only down side for Paul is that Sue might wear him out! But that may be unlikely since he is in his 30s as I recall.
Thank you for the detailed description of your Saturday night. As always, your descriptions of your feelings as the events unfold paint a wonderful picture of what it is really like to have a hotwife and be denied. It is great to read the realities of the situation rather than the glorified stroking material on porn sites.
My wife occasionally has orgasms like the ones you described. They are magnificant to behold and to see her ********** afterward. She has asked me if I would be okay seeing her orgasm like that with another man. Your descriptions help me understand what I might go through while watching it. My wife said that having me there might give her the comfort to let herselff go and maybe reach those intense orgasms, or higher orgasms, with another man. So that leads me to some questions for you. Do you think her orgasms when they are at his place are just as intense, or do you think having sex with you present in your familiar surroundings drives her to a higher level of orgasm? Do you think that when you and Sue finally reconnect after Paul that she will have the same intense orgasms?
Squirming - of course Paul is very much for it. What man wouldn't? Right now he is having fantastic sex with a hot woman 5 or 6 times a week (2 on Tuesday night, maybe one before work on Wednesday, 2 on Saturday night and maybe one Sunday morning). If Sue moves to complete denial of Steve, she will be getting hornier and likely want to move to a Tuesday & Wednesday night stayover, as well as the weekend sex. The only down side for Paul is that Sue might wear him out! But that may be unlikely since he is in his 30s as I recall.
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Knk069 - Not just any man is open to and willing to do or for what matter capable of doing as Paul has done. I have been in many variations of the lifestyle for more then 20 years so I truly do speak from experience (Being the Alpha/Beta, Being Passive/Engaged, Involved Directly/Indirectly). Every situation is different, every relationship is different, every scenario is truly different. What works for one couple does not always work for another couple. When you are seeking to develop the type of arrangement (scenario) that Steve and Sue are developing with Paul it truly does take a very compatible connection all around. Communication is key for everyone, yes that communication has varying levels just as the respective connection between each of them.
As I have said before, so many people have expressed that a sexual reconnection requires penetration, which is truly not the case for everyone. Reconnecting after your wife/partner after she has been with another man does not require penetrative intercourse if the couple has agreed in advance that they have moved beyond it, therefor there are many forms of intimate reconnecting which can happen and that level of intimacy is always within a couple with a strong deep connection to begin with. When a relationship evolves beyond the need for intercourse between a husband & wife, then the wife can truly enjoy guilt free sexual contact with another man as it is no longer strongly associated with her deep love and deep intimacy with her husband. If we all felt this way, there was be far less divorces and a lot more fun for all.
My thoughts about Paul are that his feelings and desires are still developing - at least in terms of what might be. My feeling about him is that right now, as we are all figuring all of this out, is that he doesn't want to rock the boat and that I am quite sure he will be on his best behavior and will do the most he can to appease Sue's desires.
I will say also that I definitely have periods when I feel (some) regret about what we're doing. Watching the two of them together while yes, it's incredibly arousing, it obviously is also painful in a stinging kind of way that it's not just a story in a magazine or a movie - but it really is her sharing herself and denying me. And as I said, I do miss fucking her and I do so miss feeling her bare. But that said, at least for right now, I want this to continue - maybe it's that I don't miss it enough yet to make me frantic. I expect that day to arrive when I know that I will no longer be able to have her at all - whether she wants me to essentially jerk-off in her pussy or more. And I know it's going to be hard on me. Even now I know that while very satisfying mentally and emotionally, masturbating isn't quite the same as letting it go inside the one you love. I find that I need to do it two or three times before I reach the feeling I would have from one good time in her.
Knk - when Sue first began experiencing the "Big O" with her last long-term boyfriend, Robert, she was reluctant to tell me at first but then shared that he was able to bring her there. Since I never saw her with Robert in all the time they were together, I can't really say anything. With Paul, she admits that it was much more intense early on when she was alone with him but now, that we've crossed some boundaries, I don't believe she holds back at all around me. I saw no sign of it over this past weekend and saw every sign - including her lying limp on the bed - to indicate that she gave him all she had.
Far2/Squirm - I'm sorry but I have to go more with Peak's thoughts on this. I really don't want to make any suggestions to her either way regarding what she may want between us. She knows that if it's something she truly wants that there's almost no chance I'd say no and we have talked pretty openly about what we both know will happen. Until then, all she's said is that she still wants (needs?) to feel me and know that "she" is still responsible for making me cum at times. I admit it did feel different to fuck her last Friday knowing she wasn't going to cum and that it was really just for me. But I also know that at many times since we've been together that she's said that "it's just for you tonight" - I felt just as guilty at those times, even before getting into cucking, when she basically told me I could just use her pussy till I came. So what I can say is that it's not something new that she wants to feel.
I will say that yesterday was far easier on me, even with the two of them being amorous in the morning and all of the other activity between them so maybe cumming Friday night with her and then again myself on Saturday night was a good thing. I know that last night in bed it felt really good to lie with Sue and spoon up and be close and watch TV. In a way since she's pointed it out, I never really realized how much sexual pressure I must have put on her all these years since I was always pretty much saying I wanted her whenever we were together. So it's kind of weird for me to say that I can understand and even respect what she wants a bit. It really is a different feeling to be with her now that she knows I won't push for or initiate sex with her and that it's only if she wants me that we would be doing anything. Well, I shouldn't say that, I think for right now, we both know that hopefully at least 1x a week, that we'll still connect physically, even if it is with a condom.
I think that now that she's become more accepting of everything and especially after this past weekend, that i'd maybe say that my being there might make her pleasure a bit more intense. As others have pointed out, she is clearly asusming more and more control and with that, at least from what I see and feel, that she no longer feels she has to restrain or inhibit herself when I'm there and possibly knowing I'm eagerly watching might make it better. Not sure.
Knk - you asked about after Paul - so I can only assume you mean after she ends things with him. I know for me that when that time comes, that it's going to be something out of a dream for me to finally feel and have her again. I expect that it'll probably take me a few times too before the eagerness is toned down as I anticipate having a hair-trigger by then when I finally feel her bare again.
Oh god does that whole thought turn me on.
She's not home yet but reminded me this morning that she will be spending the night at his place again tomorrow.
I'm sure I'll need to relieve myself by then for sure.
Let me run before she gets home.
I will say also that I definitely have periods when I feel (some) regret about what we're doing. Watching the two of them together while yes, it's incredibly arousing, it obviously is also painful in a stinging kind of way that it's not just a story in a magazine or a movie - but it really is her sharing herself and denying me. And as I said, I do miss fucking her and I do so miss feeling her bare. But that said, at least for right now, I want this to continue - maybe it's that I don't miss it enough yet to make me frantic. I expect that day to arrive when I know that I will no longer be able to have her at all - whether she wants me to essentially jerk-off in her pussy or more. And I know it's going to be hard on me. Even now I know that while very satisfying mentally and emotionally, masturbating isn't quite the same as letting it go inside the one you love. I find that I need to do it two or three times before I reach the feeling I would have from one good time in her.
Knk - when Sue first began experiencing the "Big O" with her last long-term boyfriend, Robert, she was reluctant to tell me at first but then shared that he was able to bring her there. Since I never saw her with Robert in all the time they were together, I can't really say anything. With Paul, she admits that it was much more intense early on when she was alone with him but now, that we've crossed some boundaries, I don't believe she holds back at all around me. I saw no sign of it over this past weekend and saw every sign - including her lying limp on the bed - to indicate that she gave him all she had.
Far2/Squirm - I'm sorry but I have to go more with Peak's thoughts on this. I really don't want to make any suggestions to her either way regarding what she may want between us. She knows that if it's something she truly wants that there's almost no chance I'd say no and we have talked pretty openly about what we both know will happen. Until then, all she's said is that she still wants (needs?) to feel me and know that "she" is still responsible for making me cum at times. I admit it did feel different to fuck her last Friday knowing she wasn't going to cum and that it was really just for me. But I also know that at many times since we've been together that she's said that "it's just for you tonight" - I felt just as guilty at those times, even before getting into cucking, when she basically told me I could just use her pussy till I came. So what I can say is that it's not something new that she wants to feel.
I will say that yesterday was far easier on me, even with the two of them being amorous in the morning and all of the other activity between them so maybe cumming Friday night with her and then again myself on Saturday night was a good thing. I know that last night in bed it felt really good to lie with Sue and spoon up and be close and watch TV. In a way since she's pointed it out, I never really realized how much sexual pressure I must have put on her all these years since I was always pretty much saying I wanted her whenever we were together. So it's kind of weird for me to say that I can understand and even respect what she wants a bit. It really is a different feeling to be with her now that she knows I won't push for or initiate sex with her and that it's only if she wants me that we would be doing anything. Well, I shouldn't say that, I think for right now, we both know that hopefully at least 1x a week, that we'll still connect physically, even if it is with a condom.
I think that now that she's become more accepting of everything and especially after this past weekend, that i'd maybe say that my being there might make her pleasure a bit more intense. As others have pointed out, she is clearly asusming more and more control and with that, at least from what I see and feel, that she no longer feels she has to restrain or inhibit herself when I'm there and possibly knowing I'm eagerly watching might make it better. Not sure.
Knk - you asked about after Paul - so I can only assume you mean after she ends things with him. I know for me that when that time comes, that it's going to be something out of a dream for me to finally feel and have her again. I expect that it'll probably take me a few times too before the eagerness is toned down as I anticipate having a hair-trigger by then when I finally feel her bare again.
Oh god does that whole thought turn me on.
She's not home yet but reminded me this morning that she will be spending the night at his place again tomorrow.
I'm sure I'll need to relieve myself by then for sure.
Let me run before she gets home.
Steve, with past lovers, the endings were usually caused by other female relationships such as with Robert or bad performance overall.
Long term, what do you expect will happen which will bring about an ending with Paul's relationship with Sue since he is single and has communicated he is not looking for a another relationship at this time frame as Sue has previously communicated to you that she is getting older and may feel this may be the last one?
What do you expect will bring about a natural separation between them?
I ask this since you have never to this point in time had to step in and the longer term involved human emotions tend to grow much stronger.
Now that you both are at the point of having the kids mostly out, empty nest, most people tend to feel the center of their existence over the last 20 or so years centered on their kids, relieved and tend to reboot looking at the remaining active portion of their lives.
Please know that a lot of things can happen both good and bad at this time frame in both your respective lives. Empty nest with all kids at school or otherwise is a one of those times when a lot of marriages fail after many years centered on the kids and again a lot of marriages thrive.......
I say this not to alarm you or cause alarm but to make point that this might need to be in your thoughts, if not already, so that you both can be aware and work together to ensure the continued happiness you both have shared over the past thirty or so years. Please know that in the big picture, Paul is the third wheel and your marriage is the most important thing period and everything you two do, both together and individually should do no harm to your marriage but rather to enhance what a great relationship you two have.
I have seen more success with people who have an outlook and anticipate with long term view.
You are very wise to watch the communications as when or if Sue stops talking as much then great concern and red flag this can be.
Regards
Long term, what do you expect will happen which will bring about an ending with Paul's relationship with Sue since he is single and has communicated he is not looking for a another relationship at this time frame as Sue has previously communicated to you that she is getting older and may feel this may be the last one?
What do you expect will bring about a natural separation between them?
I ask this since you have never to this point in time had to step in and the longer term involved human emotions tend to grow much stronger.
Now that you both are at the point of having the kids mostly out, empty nest, most people tend to feel the center of their existence over the last 20 or so years centered on their kids, relieved and tend to reboot looking at the remaining active portion of their lives.
Please know that a lot of things can happen both good and bad at this time frame in both your respective lives. Empty nest with all kids at school or otherwise is a one of those times when a lot of marriages fail after many years centered on the kids and again a lot of marriages thrive.......
I say this not to alarm you or cause alarm but to make point that this might need to be in your thoughts, if not already, so that you both can be aware and work together to ensure the continued happiness you both have shared over the past thirty or so years. Please know that in the big picture, Paul is the third wheel and your marriage is the most important thing period and everything you two do, both together and individually should do no harm to your marriage but rather to enhance what a great relationship you two have.
I have seen more success with people who have an outlook and anticipate with long term view.
You are very wise to watch the communications as when or if Sue stops talking as much then great concern and red flag this can be.
Regards
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Well, she surprised me last night when, before bed, she told me that she wasn't spending the night with him tonight.
She said that she felt it might be too-much and mentioned that she and Paul have talked about "how much time" they spend together and she actually told me that she wants to be sure it doesn't get out of control. She said to me "it'll probably be enough for you that he's joining us this weekend".
Not sure how else to take it other than her being concerned.
Manon - I can't say specifically what, if anything, will cause them to stop seeing each other, but her actions like last night without me prompting her give me good cause to think that she is more aware of herself and what is going on, maybe more than I give her credit for.
I think we both recognize what you're saying regarding the changes in our lives that could affect how things play out this time. So far, especailly after this surprise announcement from her, it's making me feel better about things. Although I will say that I was sort of looking forward to helping her pick out some clothes to take with her this morning....
Off to work - gotta earn the bucks...
She said that she felt it might be too-much and mentioned that she and Paul have talked about "how much time" they spend together and she actually told me that she wants to be sure it doesn't get out of control. She said to me "it'll probably be enough for you that he's joining us this weekend".
Not sure how else to take it other than her being concerned.
Manon - I can't say specifically what, if anything, will cause them to stop seeing each other, but her actions like last night without me prompting her give me good cause to think that she is more aware of herself and what is going on, maybe more than I give her credit for.
I think we both recognize what you're saying regarding the changes in our lives that could affect how things play out this time. So far, especailly after this surprise announcement from her, it's making me feel better about things. Although I will say that I was sort of looking forward to helping her pick out some clothes to take with her this morning....
Off to work - gotta earn the bucks...
Steve
Three potential possibilities with why Sue did not spend the night.
1. Your mentioning to Paul when he asked about Tuesday nights and you stated it would be something we could try. Good for you in saying this, showing your the husband of Sue.
2. Your reaction to Sue the previous week has shown her she needs to provide you balance.
These two would be the most likely. However, more remote chance but till a potential is.....
3. Paul or Sue are starting to develop feelings......, Sue may be concerned so is putting the breaks on which is great to see at times.
This shows she truly loves you!
You can think of letting the genie out of the bottle. One wants to play with the Genie from time to time but it is always important to keep the Genie bottled, hence sexual time/freedom in balance from time to time with checks. That way a runaway train is not created which could make this a rather short lived affair.
For the long term to work it is generally better to have balance and for Paul to understand his role after you each become more comfortable with all the rapid changes occurring. Once a sort of normal-ness if you will, arrives it maybe important for Paul to understand he is the Bull. Period, no more no less.
This way all three can have a rather long term affair if that is what Sue and you desire.
Based on Sue's past, a year is more rather to be expected however keeping in mind the questions and stage of life this time round.
Thank You for sharing your life over the past few years, this wonderful journey. Most all here would want that to continue and for a Happy Steve/Sue as couple in love hence our respective cautious tone at times.
You two are a miracle with the love you two show, your communication to each other, and know we learn and grow through your words and experiences.
Three potential possibilities with why Sue did not spend the night.
1. Your mentioning to Paul when he asked about Tuesday nights and you stated it would be something we could try. Good for you in saying this, showing your the husband of Sue.
2. Your reaction to Sue the previous week has shown her she needs to provide you balance.
These two would be the most likely. However, more remote chance but till a potential is.....
3. Paul or Sue are starting to develop feelings......, Sue may be concerned so is putting the breaks on which is great to see at times.
This shows she truly loves you!
You can think of letting the genie out of the bottle. One wants to play with the Genie from time to time but it is always important to keep the Genie bottled, hence sexual time/freedom in balance from time to time with checks. That way a runaway train is not created which could make this a rather short lived affair.
For the long term to work it is generally better to have balance and for Paul to understand his role after you each become more comfortable with all the rapid changes occurring. Once a sort of normal-ness if you will, arrives it maybe important for Paul to understand he is the Bull. Period, no more no less.
This way all three can have a rather long term affair if that is what Sue and you desire.
Based on Sue's past, a year is more rather to be expected however keeping in mind the questions and stage of life this time round.
Thank You for sharing your life over the past few years, this wonderful journey. Most all here would want that to continue and for a Happy Steve/Sue as couple in love hence our respective cautious tone at times.
You two are a miracle with the love you two show, your communication to each other, and know we learn and grow through your words and experiences.
Well, I stayed late at work and grabbed a bite on the way home.
She texted me that she's already left his place, she mentioned wanting to be home before it got really cold again tonight.
This is one of those nights when I would have loved to make love to her myself, but knowing where she's been, I really am happy and even a bit turned on that we'll get to snuggle up in bed tonight and be together. I can't explain it but since she's pointed it out to me, I guess I never realized just how much pressure I did put on her at times. It's weird but I can actually understand what she's saying. I guess maybe I feel guilty for all this time in a way?
Manon - I suspect it's a combination of all the possibilities you posted. As I said, I do know that she must obviously have some emotion and feelings for him. I don't think there's much more i can do other than be supportive, encouraging and yes, observant and communicative.
She texted me that she's already left his place, she mentioned wanting to be home before it got really cold again tonight.
This is one of those nights when I would have loved to make love to her myself, but knowing where she's been, I really am happy and even a bit turned on that we'll get to snuggle up in bed tonight and be together. I can't explain it but since she's pointed it out to me, I guess I never realized just how much pressure I did put on her at times. It's weird but I can actually understand what she's saying. I guess maybe I feel guilty for all this time in a way?
Manon - I suspect it's a combination of all the possibilities you posted. As I said, I do know that she must obviously have some emotion and feelings for him. I don't think there's much more i can do other than be supportive, encouraging and yes, observant and communicative.
Feeling Gulity
STB..I think no need to feel guilty. Sex is expression of love and you desiring sex with her would mean that only....no? What if Paul had spent the night with her. Would they have made love again...? I think yes. So how could you asking for Sex one more time with the one whom you love so dearly can be pressurizing for her. May be I am wrong, but if this is how her thinking is....you need to seriously look back at things and ask yourself if she enjoyed sex with you at all?
There are things in Cuckold relationships that I fail to understand - and that thing is denial. She might prefer Paul over you as far as sex is concerned, but can't she see the need in you and feel 'worried', 'concerned' or 'guilty' about that. I would like to know if you do communicate on those lines with her telling "Yeah I can see you need me', and 'if you want me you can have me right now' ...Or may be she doesn't says those things because if she does, then you'd take her offer? And therefore she needs to keep you away from her body.
SoonToBe said:
STB..I think no need to feel guilty. Sex is expression of love and you desiring sex with her would mean that only....no? What if Paul had spent the night with her. Would they have made love again...? I think yes. So how could you asking for Sex one more time with the one whom you love so dearly can be pressurizing for her. May be I am wrong, but if this is how her thinking is....you need to seriously look back at things and ask yourself if she enjoyed sex with you at all?
There are things in Cuckold relationships that I fail to understand - and that thing is denial. She might prefer Paul over you as far as sex is concerned, but can't she see the need in you and feel 'worried', 'concerned' or 'guilty' about that. I would like to know if you do communicate on those lines with her telling "Yeah I can see you need me', and 'if you want me you can have me right now' ...Or may be she doesn't says those things because if she does, then you'd take her offer? And therefore she needs to keep you away from her body.
Steve, I don't think you should beat yourself up at all over your sexual desires. Maybe you were sometimes a bit pushy but in most relationships, its usually the guy that has to make the first move, even if it is heavily signalled sometimes. In long term relationships both sides usually end up with a sixth sense about the relative strengths of the signal from No Way to, I'll do it if I really have to, Why not, to I'm glad you hinted because I would have tied you down otherwise. Maybe you just need to relearn the signals a bit. A few nights of knowing you're not going to be doing anything (or more correctly starting anything) may even help.
Another point occurs. Sue says so far that it is purely physical with Paul. Even if this is only 70% true it does mean that Sue has to psyche herself up emotionally a little to be with him in a way she doesn't need to do with you. Maybe this is offset by a stronger physical desire but it can't be ignored. It's one of the reasons why the reconnections, when they truly come (pun sorry), are so much more powerful between you. It is probably a lot easier for Sue to stay in the 'Paul as lover' state of mind than it is to get herself into it in the first place. A bit like a method actor staying in character through several days of filming. She probably finds it easier to let go from this mind state and may find it distracting or difficult to revert fully for you, hence the condoms and the inert pussy, and the distance which you find so difficult to cope with sometimes. It may be difficult for her to admit this too as it makes if harder for her to rebuff you if you pushed for more. You'd know she wanted to really but it would make her reconnection with Paul more difficult.
Another point occurs. Sue says so far that it is purely physical with Paul. Even if this is only 70% true it does mean that Sue has to psyche herself up emotionally a little to be with him in a way she doesn't need to do with you. Maybe this is offset by a stronger physical desire but it can't be ignored. It's one of the reasons why the reconnections, when they truly come (pun sorry), are so much more powerful between you. It is probably a lot easier for Sue to stay in the 'Paul as lover' state of mind than it is to get herself into it in the first place. A bit like a method actor staying in character through several days of filming. She probably finds it easier to let go from this mind state and may find it distracting or difficult to revert fully for you, hence the condoms and the inert pussy, and the distance which you find so difficult to cope with sometimes. It may be difficult for her to admit this too as it makes if harder for her to rebuff you if you pushed for more. You'd know she wanted to really but it would make her reconnection with Paul more difficult.
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Raks, I like your wisdom, Thanks. (Sorry for the editing, it just read better for me.)
Thing is, this is not about Sue and Paul, It's about Sue and Steve. If Steve and Sue were both content with a 'mono' marriage, there would be no need for someone like Paul. But then Steve would have nothing to write about would he?
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