Accepting the changes that are occurring

[Jaxunman]

Unless I completely dreamed this, I was reading that Sue's main complaint with Frank wasn't his performance sexually, but the fact she feels like she is having to throw herself at him. In simplest terms, She has to lead him to the bedroom rather than him scooping her up and taking her to his bed. There is a huge difference in these two actions to a woman! I think one has to really understand where Frank is coming from in all this. Long time married to a frigid woman, who most likely beat him down mentally as far as sex was concerned, his ex conditioned him to accept sex on her terms and her schedule. That type of conditioning is difficult to overcome, especially when the conditioned person (Frank) has come to accept it as normal. Have a conversation in a bar, on a golf course, or just anywhere that a group of friends get together ( ones that are not in the cuckold or Dom lifestyles, but just everyday joes) and there isn't a man alive that at some point isn't bitching about not getting enough sex from his wife and then every one in that group either agreeing or offering thier own sad tale. It is the way a far majority of "normal" marriages work. The wife sets the schedule and the husband adjusts to it.

From my understanding of Steve's posts concerning Sue's desires, she wants to be persued. Sue wants her outside lover to text her wanting to meet for nooners, wants to hear her lover is horny and wanting to meet her, wants a lover to make her adjust her schedule because HE wants HER. I am reading that Sue wants a lover who will be a bit possessive with her, not so much in a controlling way like Don was heading, but more from the aspect of just being that sexually attracted to her that he wants her. In that regard, I tend to agree with Will, that Frank will never be that guy. He spent too many years being conditioned by his ex wife. That doesn't make him a bad guy at all. Just not the guy Sue is ready to experience. Plus you have to consider that we on this board are more informed than Frank is about Sue and Steve's true relationship.

Where I tend to disagree with Will is on a true Dominant and Sue being able to get along in harmony. Sue is sexually submissive, no doubt, but within her limits. In addition, from everything Steve has posted about everyday life outside the bedroom, that submissiveness does not carry over outside of sex. From what Steve has posted, I still see a guy who has traits that are a happy medium between Frank and Don as being the ideal Sue is seeking. Someone who will desire Sue sexually as she is wanting, maybe pushing a few boundaries from time to time, without Steve becoming too threatened.

That is just my read on things.

 

[will2112001]

Unless I completely dreamed this, I was reading that Sue's main complaint with Frank wasn't his performance sexually, but the fact she feels like she is having to throw herself at him. In simplest terms, She has to lead him to the bedroom rather than him scooping her up and taking her to his bed. There is a huge difference in these two actions to a woman! I think one has to really understand where Frank is coming from in all this. Long time married to a frigid woman, who most likely beat him down mentally as far as sex was concerned, his ex conditioned him to accept sex on her terms and her schedule. That type of conditioning is difficult to overcome, especially when the conditioned person (Frank) has come to accept it as normal. Have a conversation in a bar, on a golf course, or just anywhere that a group of friends get together ( ones that are not in the cuckold or Dom lifestyles, but just everyday joes) and there isn't a man alive that at some point isn't bitching about not getting enough sex from his wife and then every one in that group either agreeing or offering thier own sad tale. It is the way a far majority of "normal" marriages work. The wife sets the schedule and the husband adjusts to it.

From my understanding of Steve's posts concerning Sue's desires, she wants to be persued. Sue wants her outside lover to text her wanting to meet for nooners, wants to hear her lover is horny and wanting to meet her, wants a lover to make her adjust her schedule because HE wants HER. I am reading that Sue wants a lover who will be a bit possessive with her, not so much in a controlling way like Don was heading, but more from the aspect of just being that sexually attracted to her that he wants her. In that regard, I tend to agree with Will, that Frank will never be that guy. He spent too many years being conditioned by his ex wife. That doesn't make him a bad guy at all. Just not the guy Sue is ready to experience. Plus you have to consider that we on this board are more informed than Frank is about Sue and Steve's true relationship.

Where I tend to disagree with Will is on a true Dominant and Sue being able to get along in harmony. Sue is sexually submissive, no doubt, but within her limits. In addition, from everything Steve has posted about everyday life outside the bedroom, that submissiveness does not carry over outside of sex. From what Steve has posted, I still see a guy who has traits that are a happy medium between Frank and Don as being the ideal Sue is seeking. Someone who will desire Sue sexually as she is wanting, maybe pushing a few boundaries from time to time, without Steve becoming too threatened.

That is just my read on things.

THANK YOU!!!! I think You understand.

As far as Dom's go. True Dom don't yell and scream. Whip, Beat. Do degrading things. Believe it or not You have to follows the Subs signals. What do they want? What are their desires? They don't all want the same thing. There are degrees. God help you if You push past their limits. Some can go far. Some just want their wrist tied with silk ribbon with a simple knot. And have gentle love made to them. But a Dom has to know!!!! Now What Is Sue? Yes I have a guess. No I'm not telling.

 

[dana007]

JAX.
well said i do agree with you on this one.

 

[Harry2614]

"From my understanding of Steve's posts concerning Sue's desires, she wants to be persued. Sue wants her outside lover to text her wanting to meet for nooners, wants to hear her lover is horny and wanting to meet her, wants a lover [who] makes her adjust her schedule, because HE wants HER. I am reading that Sue wants a lover who will be a bit possessive [of] her, ..... from the aspect of just being [so] sexually attracted to her that he wants her. In that regard, I tend to agree with Will, that Frank will never be that guy. He spent too many years being conditioned by his ex wife. That doesn't make him a bad guy. Just not the guy Sue [want's] to experience"

Very well put, Jax. (sorry I chopped it up a bit)

Really, isn't that what nearly every woman wants in a partner, whether that partner is her husband, boyfriend or lover. and when she doesn't feel 'desired,' 'persued' and loved she will not be a happy woman. An 'unhappy' woman will find a way to restore her desirable image, even if it means going outside her present relationship.

We read of men men on this 'board' that are so set on becoming a cuckold, that they deny their wife these very attributes, to force her into seeking it elsewhere. And there are those here, that advise those seeking to become a cuckold to do thus, and to deny her sex as well.

There will always be an 'underlying' reason for a wife to go to the extra effort (and time out of her busy life), to engage in extramarital activity, that if discovered within the family, would bring shame to her and her husband.

Aside from those few, that have jointly agree'd to enter this 'lifestyle' with love and communication. This is primarily a clandestine practice. We shouldn't expect Frank (conditioned as Jax has pointed out) to fully understand Steve, (and Sue) and the fantasies they want to experience from all of this.

Cheers, Harry

 

[will2112001]

So I'm to understand Frank was a Beta in his marriage. Now You expect Him to turn into This Alpha? Its not going to happen. I'm sure Frank is a Very Nice Guy!!! I mean That. But We Are What We Are.

 

[will2112001]

Don't know Jax. Just asking.
But this would led to a certain amount of conditioning. Taking when the female gives. Instead of when he would like. He may not be use to taking.

You know I found it interesting when Steve told us about Frank and Sue's trip the the convention. When He was in the bar drinking with his buddies. And He has a Hot Willing Woman sitting in His room.

I wonder what went thru Sue's mind?

 

[Harry2614]

"I will go as far as to say that the overwhelming majority of men, who are married, or want to stay that way, for any length of time, don't get sex each and every time they want it from their wives."

Truth is spoken here. Thanks Jax.
My truth is that my first marriage was much the same as is described of Frank's My first wife was very popular with the Football players, if you know what I mean. But she was too ashamed to carry that image into our marriage, so after 5 years, she became frigid. Later she had affairs. I am very much aware of what Frank dealt with.

Harry

 

[Jaxunman]

I wondered about that as well, Will. I think a bit of Sue wants to experience the desire Steve shows her with someone else. Frank has been given several tests to display this type of desire and is failing the grade. Once Frank gets started she seems to be satisfied with his skills as a lover.

I think the corporate world refers to what Sue is seeking as a self starter?

 

[Jaxunman]

Post again, Harry,,,,,,your count is at 666 right now!

True on your post, Harry. I do wonder what makes a woman change the way your first wife did.

 

[will2112001]

I guess I was lucky with My Wife. I just don't have an understanding of this kind of relationship. Sorry.

 

[Harry2614]

Post again, Harry,,,,,,your count is at 666 right now!

I have no worry's about that number!

True on your post, Harry. I do wonder what makes a woman change the way your first wife did.

Long story, Jax, but I'll make it short. She was needy for acknowledgement, but her 'fidgety' didn't give me much reason to give it. The rest is history.

Cheers, Harry

 

[dana007]

STB

it is wed. night did you and sue do your normal thing for tonight.

or did you ase one more of your condom's.

keep us posted.

 

[dana007]

STB

well this is your last night with sue for three day's she leave's with frank in the afternoon so did you do your normal last night or did you hold out for tonight and use as many of the condom's as you can.

and are you and sue ready for there trip.

and is sue's dad doing good still so she can go with frank this weekend.

and did you get a pie last night.

keep us posted.

 

[SoonToBe]

Well - it's 11:30pm and Sue kicked me out of the bedroom as she wanted to get to sleep and I'm wired. I shouldn't say kicked - more like 'suggested' I leave but as I left she said that I should come back in and snuggle up with her when I was ready to sleep.

I suppose i should recap last night a bit as she did see Frank in the afternoon as she'd said she would. I knew I'd be horny knowing that and I expected it would certainly help my getting off later on. She teased me about "Frank having me so much" that by the time we got into bed and would begin our Wednesday night routine, I was ready to burst.

As we kissed she took my hand and put it on her pussy and pushed my finger towards her wet hole. As I slid it all around she teased me asking me if I could feel the mess Frank left in her earlier. The last time she'd let me play with her pussy she asked me to stay on the outside but not last night, as I licked and probed her pussy with my finger she said in this sexy voice "you can push inside if you want" and so I did.

It was a really weird moment for me. Her pussy felt so wet and open and it sort of hit me that it was all from Frank and that both really gave me this sick feeling in my stomach, the thought of my shy wife of just a few years ago now having a regular lover - it just struck me and for a moment I was lost in my own thoughts. I would iike to say that it turned me on - but honestly at that moment, it was just a weird feeling. She moved up on her elbows and I guess saw my look on my face seeming like I was lost in thought and she whispered to me to "come up here and kiss me".

That took me out of my little trance and a moment later I climbed up onto her and we began kissing - passionately after a moment. Her t-shirt was bunched up just below her breasts and I'd slid off my boxers and was enjoying the wet feeling the tip of my cock was enjoying toying with her pussy.

What surprsied me totally was when I pushed up from her on my outstretched arms, she reached over and pulled out a condom and handed it to me and said "I want to be with you tonight, I want to feel you". I loved hearing that and as I got the condom open and started she added "I want you to feel how I feel". A moment later - even through the condom I could feel what she wanted me to - a slippery glove. I felt intoxicated - (the only word that fits) at that moment. She felt it too - she pulled me close to her and with my cock buried in her we kissed again passionately for what felt like minutes. And it seemed to me that it was just a moment later that we were in the midst of a frantic fuck and feeling her writhe in pleasure beneath me spurred me on and it a moment later we both came almost simultaneously. It was totally intense to let loose in her and then, a moment later to feel her follow. Afterwards she said even through the condom she could feel me cum. I thought she was going to say more so I just said "and?" - she took a deep breath and said that "thinking of you like that was what made me cum with you". I just held her deeply and all I said was "make sure you come home afterwards, okay?". She knew what I meant and she just said "always and forever" which I loved to hear as a spontaneous answer.

I asked her what was up with us having sex on a Wednesday and she said "I thought you'd appreciate it" and then she added "I want you again tomorrow (Thursday) too". I rolled over to her and said it wasn't necessary and that I'd be okay waiting if she wanted and her reply was "well, if you don't" to which I interjected "no - I didn't say that". Her response was a giggle and a hug and a semi-whisper to me that "tomorrow will be good for you too".

So - this evening - as she'd suggested/asked/offered - after we'd come home from having pizza and a bottle of wine for dinner. When we got home we spent some time with our daughter and both caught up on the day but also reminded her about mom going away to see her old college roommate. Once our daughter busied herself in homework and Sue and I went upstairs. I thought we were going to possibly have sex earlier or something - but instead she asked me if I wanted to help her pack "and then, mmmm, then we can have some fun".

And so - for the next 20-30 minutes she went through what she thought she'd need to bring with her. She'd picked out a few camisoles, some plain panties and some shirts and pants - I thought she'd spare me from the lingerie but I was wrong. She held up several pairs of very skimpy or lacy panties against her waist and asked me "how do you think these look on me?". I suggested she try them on and she giggled and said "okay" and for the next, I guess, 20-30 minutes - she went in and out of our bathroom literally putting on each piece of lingerie and asking my opinion of them. It was very sexy to see her come out 4 or 5 times in a row with a different pair of panties on.

In the end (and with a bloated cock to show for it) together we selected what she'd bring. Or more, rather she selected and I conveyed my thoughts as a yea or a nay. I think she brought 4 skimpy/sexy panties including one of which has a front that is completely open lace. She picked out one bra that reveals most of her nipples when she wears it. I know there was a teddy or two and she teased me about how they "snap in the crotch for easy access".

I was actually starting to think maybe we weren't having sex tonight until I realized that it was now after 10pm and no sooner had I see that than did we say good night to our daughter. It was almost comical how we both responded when we closed/locked the bedroom door! Clothes went flying and again - it wasn't long before again Sue handed me a condom and told me to "have fun baby".

I was all excited at first but then I will say that my head was going in the wrong direction as I started to think of her going away with him and all that time they'll be together again. But what surprised me tonight and pulled me back in a positive direction was that when she must have felt me lose track a little bit, that she pulled me tightly and whispered in my ear "I'm going to miss you too" - and with just that one little thing she said, I knew she understood where my head was that made a huge difference to me. She pulled me closer to her and whispered "I want to cum with you again" and then she added "make love to me".

I'm thinking now - does she know me or what.... But at that moment, hearing her say that seemed like it gave me such an awesome feeling - and a moment later we found a rhythm - oh did we find a rhythm. There were cries of "more more" and to be honest - for a big part of our time together it matttered not that I had a condom on as I think we both just lost track of it and were much more focused on each other. I'd thought she'd have wanted me to be gentle with her but it was actually a bit of the opposite - she wanted passionate physical lovemaking - and once I realized that- our rhythms meshed perfectly till again, we both came again almost simultaneously with her following me shortly afterwards.

I stayed in her as long as I could - that is - until she "sneezed me out" (as comedian Ron White would say) - which brought giggles from both of us. And again, she hugged me deeply and kissed me - it was only after that did she sit up and quickly offer to help take the condom off of me. I knew what she wanted and wasn't surprised by how she again commented on, this time both "how much you're cumming these last few times" and "oooh it's so warm, even hot".

We lay there afterwards and talked a bit and she again told me that this is just something she wants to do for herself. I hugged her and repeated my earlier about coming home afterwards and she repeated her reply of always and forever. After a few minutes of TV I knew she was dozing off and when I moved or changed the TV channel, she booted me out....

 

[SoonToBe]

I think I feel a little numb to it all right now. Not sure if that makes sense. I know the thought of my wife going away with her lover for 3 nights should feel differently than it does, but it doesn't. I am most definitely turned on thinking about the sexual part of it - but I thought I'd perhaps feel more angst than I do. I guess that I don't feel threatened by Frank is probably a big part of it.

I'm sure that come this time tomorow night I'll be up late for a different reason but right now, I think I am finally feeling tired and am now going to turn in and cuddle up with her as she'd suggested.

 

[SoonToBe]

Well, that's it - she just pulled out of the driveway to head over to Franks. And what's the first thing I see, even before I start this post - it's the used condom in the trash in the bathroom. Oh wow did that get my head to swirl even more.

So, after last night was so nice, this morning was a bit awkward and I could tell Sue wanted to have some time with me before she left. She reminded our daughter of the plans for the weekend and got an "oh yeah, is that this weekend?" reply. It was just after our daughter was off for school, Sue sat next to me and we talked for a few minutes. She seemed genuinely concerned that I was going to be okay. I told her and eventually convinced her that I'd be okay. He conversation immediately went to thanking me for letting her do this. I hugged her tight and told her that I hoped she'd find what she was looking for and then I kissed her and added "be sure to bring some home to share with me!". I said it without really thinking about it as I was thinking to bring home her enjoyment but I immediately realized what it must have sounded like. She giggled in response and said "I'm sure you'll share with me baby".

We went back up to the bedroom and as she went about her business we talked a bit more. She told me a little more of their schedule and they are going to do something other than stay in the room all weekend - she said he got tickets for some shows for 2 of the nights - and she showed me a nicer dress she was going to bring. Nothing too sexy - but she will look nice in it and I admit I got a crazy erotic feeling thinking of her getting ready and getting dressed with him instead of me.

I guess I was lost in my own daydream world for a bit there until she sat next to me on the bed and asked "should I leave them home this time?". I didn't realize what she was talking about until I saw her hand outstretched and her rings glinting in the light. I swallowed deeply and I said to her "what do you think?" but before she could answer I got the, I guess, courage, up to add "I am okay if you do" and I guess when she saw me smiling as I said that she moved over next to me and said "okay - you take them off me". I swear I had a hard-on as I took her hand in mine and pulled her rings off. As I slid them off her finger all the way I told her in as calm a voice as I could "have a good time".

I know I had, like always, second thoughts about this. But I will say openly here right now that as I closed my hand around them, I was incredibly turned on by it. In my head, just as I'm sure in Sue's, it was clear that from that moment on, she was his. Is it possible that she looked even more sexy after I kissed her - did she suddenly seem more curvey? Were her breasts that big a minute before? Did she have that sexy look in her eyes?

I knew she was going to be leaving in just a few minutes and that I was about to get dressed - but I waited. I sat there looking at her as she fidgeted in the bathroom and picked out the makeup she wanted to bring. And sure enough - a few minutes later she stood in front of me. She seemed like a different person - not necessarily my wife - but instead - this sexy beautiful woman who was off for a weekend of sex with her lover. And the crazy thing is - at that moment I so wanted her to go. Not because I wanted her to leave - but because I wanted to hear from her while she was away and mostly - because I wanted her standing in front of me like this on Monday so I can undress her and she can be mine again. Crazy that all of that flashed through my head in the few seconds she stood before me.

I admit it wasn't easy watching her finish packing her bag and putting in the last few items and then closing it. When she left, the last kiss was tough too. No matter how much I love her fucking Frank and what it's done for us, that moment was still hard for me. Then, I came back upstairs to start this post and in the bathroom, seeing that used condom in the trash also got into my head.

There's not much more for me to say right now. While at times I can think clearly about it all, sometimes just a moment later I have all these thoughts swirling in my head.

I'm sure I'll have time this evening to pen more of my thoughts before I have to go pick up my daughter from play-stuff at school.

 

[will2112001]

You know Steve. What would be a real nice thing to do on Your Part? I take a woman away from time to time Like Frank and Sue. Well anyhow. Her husband comes over and checks my house. Just to make sure The doors and windows are secure. and everything is OK. He takes care of the Mail and the newspaper. It really give Me a feeling of well being. Just saying. It might be a nice thing to do. A way of saying Thank You.

 

[peakmb]

STB,
You have been here before. I wonder whether you think this is the same though or, if different, in what way. Many seem to believe that this may be Frank‘s last trip. I'm not sure now. What do you think and what do you believe Sue thinks?

 

[will2112001]

STB,
You have been here before. I wonder whether you think this is the same though or, if different, in what way. Many seem to believe that this may be Frank‘s last trip. I'm not sure now. What do you think and what do you believe Sue thinks?

I know how I look at things. But When I see You start to doubt. (Not trying to yank Your chain. Just understand.)

 

[far2easy]

Now that you have had a fair amount of condom style sex, what are your feelings on it and what would you do if Sue decided she would like to continue with that?