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Rick - I don't see it. Not saying it couldn't be happening but I don't see it. It's not like her and I just don't see Frank asking for it. I'm not sure where she'd fit it in time-wise either.
More to post later tonight but we're going out to dinner in a bit and then coming back to an empty house having some fun ourselves. Our son is due home from college mid-next-week and Sue's said several times that we "should enjoy the time alone while we have it" as he'll be home for a month.
GTR
More to post later tonight but we're going out to dinner in a bit and then coming back to an empty house having some fun ourselves. Our son is due home from college mid-next-week and Sue's said several times that we "should enjoy the time alone while we have it" as he'll be home for a month.
GTR
Hey all....
Quite the discussion about my comments "so she says". Yeesh - you guys sometimes seem like conspiracy theorists. Peak had it correct - it was just my way of saying that "as of now she said she wasn't seeing him". And she didn't this past week.
We have also returned for now to our "normal" semi-vanilla relationship as we've had normal sex (ie. no condoms and me cumming in her - both Monday, Wednesday and now last night too) and she's not returned to any sort of denial either (including not wearing panties to bed and such).
But I do know that this is temporary and our conversations over the past week have been easy and open, but at times not the easiest as the openness gives her pause at times when she's saying things that aren't the easiest to say to your husband.
I'm thinking it's going to be easier for me - and better for me to focus on what we've talked about rather than exactly what's been said.
She opened up about many things and when she saw that it didn't totally freak me out, she relaxed a bit more about talking about it all. Some of this is repeated from earlier but it seems to fit together for me now a bit better.
During the 2 weeks where she'd asked me to not cum in her she said she felt very empowered at being able to control part of her sexuality like that. I already posted that she said it turned her on - what she's opened up about is that she really liked being to feel she able to say it to me. She said she was surprised that I'd said okay to it too and now understands more fully that I want her to be able to say things like that to me and that I will give her the space to find out what she wants and that I won't pressure her while she 'explores' (her words).
She said that each time I'd either pull out of her before I'd cum or that I'd use a condom, she found herself being very turned on because I was fulfilling her fantasy/desire and that I was doing it will fully.
I, in return, told her that it turned me on - surprisingly so - to do it for her knowing how she felt. And I admitted that even though cumming in a condom isn't nearly as good as feeling her bare - that it did still feel very fulfilling because of the other feelings I had about it, supporting her and seeing her own arousal at me going along with it.
She didn't give me a blow-by-blow (very punny!) of her trip with him. But she did tell me that only having Frank cumming in her was incredibly arousing for her. She looked at me and said that it gave her some of the most intense erotic feelings when she felt me having sex with her using a condom and knowing that she (and I) "could feel Frank's semen in her as a lubricant" (her words again). She told me how incredibly aroused she felt knowing what she was doing and thinking about it like a Penthouse story - how she denies her husband what she gives to her lover.
What I can't emphasize enough is how she seemed to be excited about admitting it to herself as we talked. I think she's still a bit reluctant to openly embrace this kind of stuff outside of our sexiest moments together - but at the same time, each time we talk, she seems to find it easier and easier to come out with.
She asked me what I thought the whole time - how it felt from the other side of the condom so-to-speak. I told her what she'd and I'd already said - that yes, I missed the feeling of feeling her at the most intimate moment when I'd cum in her - but I also told her that seeing and feeling her arousal in some ways was more exciting - a mental arousal vs a physical one, in a way. And I told her what everyone here (and she) already knows - that thinking of her pussy full of Franks semen all that time seemed to turn me on in very much the same way as she felt. The eroticness and almost evil-ness of her married pussy being filled continuously with her lovers cum - just in and of itself is a turn-on - but to look over at her sitting there reading a book or watching TV, or to think of her at work or driving wherever - and to think the whole time she's had his semen in her - I told her that at times those thoughts were incredibly arousing.
It was me that asked her though, of whether she felt it was all in her head or whether it was something hormonal as in not having my cum in her somehow changed how she felt about anything. She looked at me and said she wasn't sure. She openly admitted that it surely made it easier for her to be with him and to pick back up with him the next time - she said that she seemed to feel a definite easiness about going back to him afterwards.
She said that even when I used a condom with her and we'd both orgasmed that she still felt that same easiness at being with him again. And at one point she said that maybe it helped subconsciously knowing she was still "clean for him" (meaning I hadn't cum in her in between).
It was no surprise when she said that by the time they went away, that she felt so totally normal in being sexual with him. I asked her if that helped her. She turned a bit red as she knew what I was asking her about. And that was probably the greatest level of detail that she'd shared about their trip. She asked if i wanted to know about it and she wasn't surprised but wanted to be sure that I did.
She said that on Saturday night that he'd really made her cum. She seemed hesitant to say that to me until she saw that I did want to hear and that it wasn't going to upset me. She told me how he'd gotten her up against the windows looking out over the ocean and how she'd hunched down and how he'd fucked her doggy-style. Apparently whatever rhythm he'd gotten going - she said "really touched me". But she then said that he rubbed his finger around and then gently probed her ass.
That really got my attention as this was the first time I'd heard of Frank going this way. She said he pushed a finger into her ass (at her encouragement no less) and how at the same time he was somehow able to reach around and rub her clit. She said that motion "along with seeing the ocean in the moonlight" just let her cum. I remember she held my hand and said that "i didn't hold back" and how she felt the most intense orgasm she's had in a long time to sweep over her.
She looked up at me and said "remember how sometimes you'd have to hold me up" and I did remember a few times when we were first dating that during some furtive and very sexually intense moments when I'd made her cum that she'd not so much ********** but that she just went limp from cumming so much - she said she had a moment with him like that where she said she could feel him fucking her but she just felt the pleasure sweep over her and the next thing she knew he was having to hold her up and guide her over to the bed. The thing she didn't have to tell me, but she did, was that when this happened to her and I, is that I remembered her pussy used to literally gush with wetness when this happened - and sure enough she said it happened with Frank.
What she wanted to tell me was that while that happened on Saturday night, that she knew that on Sunday night, things were going to be even more intense.
Quite the discussion about my comments "so she says". Yeesh - you guys sometimes seem like conspiracy theorists. Peak had it correct - it was just my way of saying that "as of now she said she wasn't seeing him". And she didn't this past week.
We have also returned for now to our "normal" semi-vanilla relationship as we've had normal sex (ie. no condoms and me cumming in her - both Monday, Wednesday and now last night too) and she's not returned to any sort of denial either (including not wearing panties to bed and such).
But I do know that this is temporary and our conversations over the past week have been easy and open, but at times not the easiest as the openness gives her pause at times when she's saying things that aren't the easiest to say to your husband.
I'm thinking it's going to be easier for me - and better for me to focus on what we've talked about rather than exactly what's been said.
She opened up about many things and when she saw that it didn't totally freak me out, she relaxed a bit more about talking about it all. Some of this is repeated from earlier but it seems to fit together for me now a bit better.
During the 2 weeks where she'd asked me to not cum in her she said she felt very empowered at being able to control part of her sexuality like that. I already posted that she said it turned her on - what she's opened up about is that she really liked being to feel she able to say it to me. She said she was surprised that I'd said okay to it too and now understands more fully that I want her to be able to say things like that to me and that I will give her the space to find out what she wants and that I won't pressure her while she 'explores' (her words).
She said that each time I'd either pull out of her before I'd cum or that I'd use a condom, she found herself being very turned on because I was fulfilling her fantasy/desire and that I was doing it will fully.
I, in return, told her that it turned me on - surprisingly so - to do it for her knowing how she felt. And I admitted that even though cumming in a condom isn't nearly as good as feeling her bare - that it did still feel very fulfilling because of the other feelings I had about it, supporting her and seeing her own arousal at me going along with it.
She didn't give me a blow-by-blow (very punny!) of her trip with him. But she did tell me that only having Frank cumming in her was incredibly arousing for her. She looked at me and said that it gave her some of the most intense erotic feelings when she felt me having sex with her using a condom and knowing that she (and I) "could feel Frank's semen in her as a lubricant" (her words again). She told me how incredibly aroused she felt knowing what she was doing and thinking about it like a Penthouse story - how she denies her husband what she gives to her lover.
What I can't emphasize enough is how she seemed to be excited about admitting it to herself as we talked. I think she's still a bit reluctant to openly embrace this kind of stuff outside of our sexiest moments together - but at the same time, each time we talk, she seems to find it easier and easier to come out with.
She asked me what I thought the whole time - how it felt from the other side of the condom so-to-speak. I told her what she'd and I'd already said - that yes, I missed the feeling of feeling her at the most intimate moment when I'd cum in her - but I also told her that seeing and feeling her arousal in some ways was more exciting - a mental arousal vs a physical one, in a way. And I told her what everyone here (and she) already knows - that thinking of her pussy full of Franks semen all that time seemed to turn me on in very much the same way as she felt. The eroticness and almost evil-ness of her married pussy being filled continuously with her lovers cum - just in and of itself is a turn-on - but to look over at her sitting there reading a book or watching TV, or to think of her at work or driving wherever - and to think the whole time she's had his semen in her - I told her that at times those thoughts were incredibly arousing.
It was me that asked her though, of whether she felt it was all in her head or whether it was something hormonal as in not having my cum in her somehow changed how she felt about anything. She looked at me and said she wasn't sure. She openly admitted that it surely made it easier for her to be with him and to pick back up with him the next time - she said that she seemed to feel a definite easiness about going back to him afterwards.
She said that even when I used a condom with her and we'd both orgasmed that she still felt that same easiness at being with him again. And at one point she said that maybe it helped subconsciously knowing she was still "clean for him" (meaning I hadn't cum in her in between).
It was no surprise when she said that by the time they went away, that she felt so totally normal in being sexual with him. I asked her if that helped her. She turned a bit red as she knew what I was asking her about. And that was probably the greatest level of detail that she'd shared about their trip. She asked if i wanted to know about it and she wasn't surprised but wanted to be sure that I did.
She said that on Saturday night that he'd really made her cum. She seemed hesitant to say that to me until she saw that I did want to hear and that it wasn't going to upset me. She told me how he'd gotten her up against the windows looking out over the ocean and how she'd hunched down and how he'd fucked her doggy-style. Apparently whatever rhythm he'd gotten going - she said "really touched me". But she then said that he rubbed his finger around and then gently probed her ass.
That really got my attention as this was the first time I'd heard of Frank going this way. She said he pushed a finger into her ass (at her encouragement no less) and how at the same time he was somehow able to reach around and rub her clit. She said that motion "along with seeing the ocean in the moonlight" just let her cum. I remember she held my hand and said that "i didn't hold back" and how she felt the most intense orgasm she's had in a long time to sweep over her.
She looked up at me and said "remember how sometimes you'd have to hold me up" and I did remember a few times when we were first dating that during some furtive and very sexually intense moments when I'd made her cum that she'd not so much ********** but that she just went limp from cumming so much - she said she had a moment with him like that where she said she could feel him fucking her but she just felt the pleasure sweep over her and the next thing she knew he was having to hold her up and guide her over to the bed. The thing she didn't have to tell me, but she did, was that when this happened to her and I, is that I remembered her pussy used to literally gush with wetness when this happened - and sure enough she said it happened with Frank.
What she wanted to tell me was that while that happened on Saturday night, that she knew that on Sunday night, things were going to be even more intense.
She looked at me and said that it was her that wanted to be "totally bare" for Sunday night. What she said was that she wanted it to be everything it could be and that her being bare would push her mind even further. As I said before, I know how she does it when she wants it to be really bare down there. She'll squat over a mirror and spread the Nair cream all over every nook and cranny (while keeping it out of the sensitive spots!). And as I knew it - she lay there on the bed - legs spread wide apart for the 10 minutes or so that it takes to work and that all the while, with Frank looking on, it made her more and more horny. She held my hand when she said that when she got in the shower and washed up - and washed off all the Nair and the hair with it - that she felt like it was symbolically her becoming his - washing away everything else. It was very erotic hearing her tell me how totally horny she was when she walked back into the hotel room from the shower. She also said that she thought how she would only wash the outside of her body and that the whole time she could feel how wet she was inside.
I was happy in a way that she didn't tell me exactly how they fucked, what positions, where in the room. Instead she told me of how she felt and how she wanted to be fucked. She told me that at that moment, the only thing she could think about was having her pussy filled.
I had suspected and she confirmed that on Sunday night, that Frank initially watched her play with herself with Jim, her dildo, at first. She said that at times either Frank was in her mouth and Jim was in her pussy or vice-versa - and that Frank had (finally - and she said that way "..finally!") gotten into it for a while and he'd talked to her. She laughed at one point and said that he'd say some of the same things I do when we play with her toys - about taking turns with her and about "waiting till Jim cums" - she said hearing it from Frank turned her on a lot and helped her let go of everything. She said feeling his fingers, hands, mouth, tongue and cock on her newly bare skin really got to her and that she also got up on top of him cowgirl-style also really set her off.
She seemed reluctant to tell me how she felt Sunday night until I had to tell her (again) "I know he makes you cum". And when I told her that I know you had nothing else in your mind other than his cock in you - she opened up and told me. She said she was lying on her back and her hips were propped up on a pillow. "I watched him fucking me" she told me as she looked right into my eyes - from the position they were in "I could see his cock going deep into me and oh my god did it turn me on". She said she'd watched it and each time he'd push into her she could feel herself getting closer and closer. She said she reached around and felt his cock and balls and that really got her going. What I wasn't totally ready to hear is how she closed her eyes and let herself just go with the thought of how she was at that moment - shaved bare - spread wide with her lover penetrating her "as deeply as he could" (her words). She said let herself go with that thought and feeling and she could feel his hands on her breasts and then roaming down her body to her ass.
She was a bit more quiet when she said how she'd started to cum with him and then she felt him grab her ass and she could tell he was on the verge. And she told me this exactly " knowing he was going to cum in me again just set me off knowing I wanted him deep in me...." And she proceeded to tell me how she came and came and came at that moment and she looked up at me and said "yes, you were right, he made me squirt all over" and she told me how she felt her own juices running down the back of her ass as he held her up an fucked her deeply. She said "I was still cumming long after he'd stopped just from feeling him moving in me" and then she added "I couldn't make it stop" and then she giggled "not that I wanted to". She said that as she lay there afterwards that it was as if she had just one long long long orgasm that seemed to just go on forever.
I was happy in a way that she didn't tell me exactly how they fucked, what positions, where in the room. Instead she told me of how she felt and how she wanted to be fucked. She told me that at that moment, the only thing she could think about was having her pussy filled.
I had suspected and she confirmed that on Sunday night, that Frank initially watched her play with herself with Jim, her dildo, at first. She said that at times either Frank was in her mouth and Jim was in her pussy or vice-versa - and that Frank had (finally - and she said that way "..finally!") gotten into it for a while and he'd talked to her. She laughed at one point and said that he'd say some of the same things I do when we play with her toys - about taking turns with her and about "waiting till Jim cums" - she said hearing it from Frank turned her on a lot and helped her let go of everything. She said feeling his fingers, hands, mouth, tongue and cock on her newly bare skin really got to her and that she also got up on top of him cowgirl-style also really set her off.
She seemed reluctant to tell me how she felt Sunday night until I had to tell her (again) "I know he makes you cum". And when I told her that I know you had nothing else in your mind other than his cock in you - she opened up and told me. She said she was lying on her back and her hips were propped up on a pillow. "I watched him fucking me" she told me as she looked right into my eyes - from the position they were in "I could see his cock going deep into me and oh my god did it turn me on". She said she'd watched it and each time he'd push into her she could feel herself getting closer and closer. She said she reached around and felt his cock and balls and that really got her going. What I wasn't totally ready to hear is how she closed her eyes and let herself just go with the thought of how she was at that moment - shaved bare - spread wide with her lover penetrating her "as deeply as he could" (her words). She said let herself go with that thought and feeling and she could feel his hands on her breasts and then roaming down her body to her ass.
She was a bit more quiet when she said how she'd started to cum with him and then she felt him grab her ass and she could tell he was on the verge. And she told me this exactly " knowing he was going to cum in me again just set me off knowing I wanted him deep in me...." And she proceeded to tell me how she came and came and came at that moment and she looked up at me and said "yes, you were right, he made me squirt all over" and she told me how she felt her own juices running down the back of her ass as he held her up an fucked her deeply. She said "I was still cumming long after he'd stopped just from feeling him moving in me" and then she added "I couldn't make it stop" and then she giggled "not that I wanted to". She said that as she lay there afterwards that it was as if she had just one long long long orgasm that seemed to just go on forever.
Sue & Frank
WOW!! Now I am confused.
Having read what you just wrote about Sue's week end with Frank, and how incredibly GOOD it was for her. ..... Then comparing that, with what you wrote back on the 11th. & 12th. (Tue. & Wed.) from what she told you, after coming home.
How can she be disappointed with Frank, after such a great time away with him?
As you have said many times, it takes you, getting her away by yourselves, for 2-3 days, to get her to really, 'get going' and to really "get off" sexually, and she is not disappointed with you! (or is she)?
Cheers, Harry
WOW!! Now I am confused.
Having read what you just wrote about Sue's week end with Frank, and how incredibly GOOD it was for her. ..... Then comparing that, with what you wrote back on the 11th. & 12th. (Tue. & Wed.) from what she told you, after coming home.
How can she be disappointed with Frank, after such a great time away with him?
As you have said many times, it takes you, getting her away by yourselves, for 2-3 days, to get her to really, 'get going' and to really "get off" sexually, and she is not disappointed with you! (or is she)?
Cheers, Harry
STB
harry what are you confused about it sound's like that he did it at last.
yes sue found what she was looking for and frank did get the job do.
so i guess we all will see if she goes on the hunt after the new year or not for awhile.
but sue may just stay with frank till someone else walk's in to the picture that she is wanting and looking for.
so stb enjoy and have fun.
keep us posted.
harry what are you confused about it sound's like that he did it at last.
yes sue found what she was looking for and frank did get the job do.
so i guess we all will see if she goes on the hunt after the new year or not for awhile.
but sue may just stay with frank till someone else walk's in to the picture that she is wanting and looking for.
so stb enjoy and have fun.
keep us posted.
peakmb said:
Peak, The confusion is mine in wondering if Sue is a bit conflicted in enjoying so much her times away, weather it be with Frank now, or with Steve, when they have done the same, while being somewhat ‘disappointed’ by not having the same 'euphoria' week by week while in town.
You and I have offered analogies of Frank and of Sue in recent posts, that haven’t received much further discussion. (I liked yours BTW,) Several pages have gone by since then, and what I posted today, was an attempt to return Steve to those pages, and thoughts, as well as the questions posed by Cocu
Cheers, Harry
Hey all - I apologize for simply ending that post earlier but I realized I needed to be somewhere by 2pm and that was pushing it already.
I can see how from what I said, you are all confused.
What I need to add is the rest of the conversation.
Yes. She'd gotten what she was looking for. It is quite an incredible feeling to think that she's perhaps found the experience she was looking for. I know that if I'd taken her away or been able to sweep her away for 2 weeks, that I am pretty sure she and I could/would have perhaps had that same experience - yet is is so hot to think that she wanted it as something for herself.
But that's not what the conversation was about. It was about "why doesn't Frank want it more?". Or more that as we talked, it's her realization that she genuinely wants a guy who will want to do this with her (to her what I thought I heard though). She said again that once she was able to get Frank really going - she rolled her eyes and said he was really "fun to fuck" and that she felt so comfortable with him now that once he'd gotten into it that she could let herself go.
I asked her what she wanted from him. And that was when she said it - she said that she doesn't think it's going to last much longer with Frank. She joked with me that she'll stay with him through the New Year - and she couldn't understand why I stared at her as she said that until she thought of how it sounded and then clarified it that she'll still see him until January after which she thinks she might curtail it.
What she wants is someone who will want to see her when he wants to and not just on her schedule. She said she "wants to be wanted". She said that even the teasing of me during the week sometimes got old "just doing it for myself" as she put it. I told her that I enjoyed it and she said she knew that but that again she said that she just felt she's denying herself.
She held my hand and said "I told you, I think I will always want to have a lover". And she proceeded to tell me what I'd posted above - that yes, when we can go away or have time alone together, she readily admits that she loves the way I can make her cum (her words). But she says that I am just too much a part of the daily/family routine for her to feel like she can let loose with me at 10:30pm after we've just said goodnight to our daughter or for an hour or two on a Saturday afternoon when we might have the house alone. As she said "I can't just relax and turn it off and spread my legs 10 minutes after xxxx has gone to bed".
She said that she has been thinking about this since even before she went away with Frank - at times Frank sort of fulfills this role but only if she pushes him - she would like to find someone who would, again she said it, "want me more" - and what she said in a roundabout way was that she feels she maybe can let loose with a more aggressive lover who "wants her more" when she sees him "whenever he wants her". She said that she just doesn't feel enough desire for her from Frank - even when she puts it all out there - being naked at his place, "shaving" her pubes for him - she says she just doesn't feel what she now believes she needs to feel from him.
I did it - I bit the bullet and asked "do you mean someone like Don in a way?". I knew it was a bit devious on my part saying that when she'd just bared her soul to me like that about Frank, to give her something of such a contrast to think about. She thought for a moment and then looked at me and said "I don't know if I can handle someone as intense as he was" and she immediately added "plus, he was an ass". I held her hand - and I knew what I was going to say and I said it anyway "I know, but he did push you to do things, some of what you now say you like to think about". She turned to me and said that Don had a nasty side and that she often felt uncomfortable with some of what he did with her and that she thought he'd done it just because of it. I told her she was right and that was some of the reasons I didn't like being there. I thought we were done with that after that last comment from her until she said a few moments later "but he did come close" and I looked at her and she shrugged and said that she'd just blurted out what she was thinking and then she added "he came close to making me feel that way" (her emphasis on "that" made me understand that he'd come close to making her cum and let go the way she had with Frank). I didn't ask but she clearly conveyed that she didn't trust Don and that held her back as opposed to her trusting Frank.
Perhaps the last thing that I think I should share is that I did ask her if she had any thoughts on where she might find her next lover and added "given your desires" and she said that she had some ideas and that she'd let me know when she was ready to start looking (again - her words). I asked her a few questions - younger/older, taller/shorter, etc. and she shut me down on each question and just said that she wanted to work it out in her head before telling me about it.
So - for the meanwhile, I am suspecting that she will not be returning us to our former agenda and schedule.
We did not talk about anything regarding the future - other than she'd like a more aggressive lover and perhaps the rouse that I am ******* of what's happening - we haven't talked about very much.
I can see how from what I said, you are all confused.
What I need to add is the rest of the conversation.
Yes. She'd gotten what she was looking for. It is quite an incredible feeling to think that she's perhaps found the experience she was looking for. I know that if I'd taken her away or been able to sweep her away for 2 weeks, that I am pretty sure she and I could/would have perhaps had that same experience - yet is is so hot to think that she wanted it as something for herself.
But that's not what the conversation was about. It was about "why doesn't Frank want it more?". Or more that as we talked, it's her realization that she genuinely wants a guy who will want to do this with her (to her what I thought I heard though). She said again that once she was able to get Frank really going - she rolled her eyes and said he was really "fun to fuck" and that she felt so comfortable with him now that once he'd gotten into it that she could let herself go.
I asked her what she wanted from him. And that was when she said it - she said that she doesn't think it's going to last much longer with Frank. She joked with me that she'll stay with him through the New Year - and she couldn't understand why I stared at her as she said that until she thought of how it sounded and then clarified it that she'll still see him until January after which she thinks she might curtail it.
What she wants is someone who will want to see her when he wants to and not just on her schedule. She said she "wants to be wanted". She said that even the teasing of me during the week sometimes got old "just doing it for myself" as she put it. I told her that I enjoyed it and she said she knew that but that again she said that she just felt she's denying herself.
She held my hand and said "I told you, I think I will always want to have a lover". And she proceeded to tell me what I'd posted above - that yes, when we can go away or have time alone together, she readily admits that she loves the way I can make her cum (her words). But she says that I am just too much a part of the daily/family routine for her to feel like she can let loose with me at 10:30pm after we've just said goodnight to our daughter or for an hour or two on a Saturday afternoon when we might have the house alone. As she said "I can't just relax and turn it off and spread my legs 10 minutes after xxxx has gone to bed".
She said that she has been thinking about this since even before she went away with Frank - at times Frank sort of fulfills this role but only if she pushes him - she would like to find someone who would, again she said it, "want me more" - and what she said in a roundabout way was that she feels she maybe can let loose with a more aggressive lover who "wants her more" when she sees him "whenever he wants her". She said that she just doesn't feel enough desire for her from Frank - even when she puts it all out there - being naked at his place, "shaving" her pubes for him - she says she just doesn't feel what she now believes she needs to feel from him.
I did it - I bit the bullet and asked "do you mean someone like Don in a way?". I knew it was a bit devious on my part saying that when she'd just bared her soul to me like that about Frank, to give her something of such a contrast to think about. She thought for a moment and then looked at me and said "I don't know if I can handle someone as intense as he was" and she immediately added "plus, he was an ass". I held her hand - and I knew what I was going to say and I said it anyway "I know, but he did push you to do things, some of what you now say you like to think about". She turned to me and said that Don had a nasty side and that she often felt uncomfortable with some of what he did with her and that she thought he'd done it just because of it. I told her she was right and that was some of the reasons I didn't like being there. I thought we were done with that after that last comment from her until she said a few moments later "but he did come close" and I looked at her and she shrugged and said that she'd just blurted out what she was thinking and then she added "he came close to making me feel that way" (her emphasis on "that" made me understand that he'd come close to making her cum and let go the way she had with Frank). I didn't ask but she clearly conveyed that she didn't trust Don and that held her back as opposed to her trusting Frank.
Perhaps the last thing that I think I should share is that I did ask her if she had any thoughts on where she might find her next lover and added "given your desires" and she said that she had some ideas and that she'd let me know when she was ready to start looking (again - her words). I asked her a few questions - younger/older, taller/shorter, etc. and she shut me down on each question and just said that she wanted to work it out in her head before telling me about it.
So - for the meanwhile, I am suspecting that she will not be returning us to our former agenda and schedule.
We did not talk about anything regarding the future - other than she'd like a more aggressive lover and perhaps the rouse that I am ******* of what's happening - we haven't talked about very much.
Just what you've wanted STB! Sue making all the decisions and now you are just being the cuckold. She has taken the lead, now you get to obey! Like I've said before, when she selects her new lover and he begins to control her sexuality, keep her heart but let her pussy go. She told you she just can't turn it on with her husband, so when the time comes, trust that having her love will be enough. The day is coming that condoms and pulling out will be the norm and you need to give this to Sue. She is already asking for it.
Yes, Steve, That certainly answers what Sue is looking for. More about that later.
What I meant that I wanted to 'go back to,'' was the analogies that Peak (post#159) and I (post#167) gave of Frank & Sue, and questions from Cocu (post171).
Also you said some things in post#160 where Sue was thinking that she "wasn't good enough to make him [Frank] want her" ..... And her thinking that he thought of her as a "Wanton Woman"
This is what I was looking for you to think about in more detail.
Obviously Frank can 'take her where she wants to go' as far as intensity of her orgasm's. She has been there with him and you have seen it too. But if he doesn't "want her" in other ways, I can see that he won't last with her. In my thoughts, I am somewhat surprised that he has lasted this long with her. It is, I believe, that You and she seriously wanted it to work with Frank.
Cheers, Harry
What I meant that I wanted to 'go back to,'' was the analogies that Peak (post#159) and I (post#167) gave of Frank & Sue, and questions from Cocu (post171).
Also you said some things in post#160 where Sue was thinking that she "wasn't good enough to make him [Frank] want her" ..... And her thinking that he thought of her as a "Wanton Woman"
This is what I was looking for you to think about in more detail.
Obviously Frank can 'take her where she wants to go' as far as intensity of her orgasm's. She has been there with him and you have seen it too. But if he doesn't "want her" in other ways, I can see that he won't last with her. In my thoughts, I am somewhat surprised that he has lasted this long with her. It is, I believe, that You and she seriously wanted it to work with Frank.
Cheers, Harry
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