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She Is His

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  • #421
Steve,
Thanks for the update. Always interesting how things evolve.
 
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I have a nice Mothers Day planned for her. My daughter has volunteered to help cook breakfast for Sue after which I have chocolate-dipped strawberries to pick up. Both kids are heading back in the afternoon and I have a nice romantic dinner reservation for us on Sunday evening. This is something I'm also now very aware of - it's such a different way of looking at things and feeling about them doing this and looking forward to time with her knowing there won't be sex afterwards, unless it's something she wants.
 
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  • #423
Steve, what is with the guilt thing? I know you have said Sue felt obligations to have sex with you in the past, but, any need you had to reconnect to her after she had been with others was part of the progression. If anything, you have been conditioned and trained to be a beta who is denied. Your needs, or demands as you say, had to be met at the time or there would have been no further progress in the journey. I think you have let Sue saying she felt obligated at times to have reclaim sex with you do a real mind fuck on you. The things you needed then vs now are not the same. The things she is looking to experience now vs back then are not the same.

There is no doubt that the gift you have been giving Sue with Paul over these past couple of years has been special and very rare. Yet I have to agree with some of what Peak has said. When this ends with Paul, Sue NEEDS the man she married to be there to fall back on. She doesn' t need you to be walking around her on egg shells afraid of reconnecting or even discussing it with her. Not now, of course, but when the end does come with Paul. She has always given you your reassurances. I think Sue would feel some relief, when the time comes, to know that the man she married is still there too.
 
  • #424
Steve, I love that last sentence. The man who says he's quite happy to not have sex with his wife, indeed would prefer not to and stay denied at this time. Yet. 'Unless it's something she wants.' An understatement that could almost be British! So, if she insists, you'll take one for the team will you? I wonder, are you secretly hoping, or fearing that she might ask?
 
  • #425
It's taken a while for me to get my head around Steve's willingness / desire / need to forego PIV sex with Sue, but I think that @peakmb 's posts between #412 and #417 have finally lit the light bulb for me as I've realised that, as an Alpha I had been unable to truly understand Steve's desires, however Peak's rephrasing of things as a Dom-Sue / sub-Steve relationship have helped to clarify things for me even if personally I don't think of Sue as a Dom/Alpha she is certainly the one in control of the two males!

I too can see the funny side of what's written here:

SoonToBe said:
..... and I have a nice romantic dinner reservation for us on Sunday evening. This is something I'm also now very aware of - it's such a different way of looking at things and feeling about them doing this and looking forward to time with her knowing there won't be sex afterwards, unless it's something she wants.

But I do wonder what is the point of "nice romantic dinner" if there's nothing at the end of it?

All animals have courtship rituals that lead towards mating, and for humans a nice romantic dinner is one of them - I sort of have this image of a male bird of paradise doing it's dance showing off it's plumage, then.... squawking at the female and then pushing off to bed for a rest!!

It all seems a bit pointless or is my lack of understanding of a beta-male showing itself again?
Will it be enough for Steve that Sue has had a pleasant evening?
What about Sue? Will the evening be a big build-up to nothing?

Now if it were the start of Steve and Sue romancing each-other again then I could understand it, but I don't think that we're quite there yet.

I await the post-Sunday update with interest
 
  • #426
Enigma - you've answered the question yourself just from the other side. Does a romantic evening have to mean sex afterwards? That's the obligation thing that you've just put out there - do this (romantic evening) get that (sex). For me, knowing it's not going to (likely to - ok peak?) means I want to do it to make her feel special and loved on this day - honoring her producing 2 great kids.
 
  • #427
I would be the first to agree with Steve on this. Mother's Day, Birthdays, and Christmas are all days I have showered my own wife with attention to let her know how much she is loved, appreciated, and special. None of these special days have ever been connected to sex. Now, a nice getaway week-end on our anniversary, of course!
 
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  • #428
Hmm, I think that it was the use of the word "romantic" that triggered my question, and maybe I have unfairly latched onto that word.

I agree with @Jaxunman that special days do not have to be connected with sex, there's nothing wrong at all with treating a person to really nice special evening, particularly if it explicitly or implicitly is to thank them for something.

However, for me, when this happens there's no romance involved and so it's not a "romantic" evening.
For example my aunt once took me out for a very special meal to thank me when I helped her out, but there was no romance involved and certainly no thoughts of sex at the end of the evening!!!!

So if Steve is going to take Sue out and make it special for her by treating her to all the things that she likes but without a romantic part then I do get the "no sex at the end of the evening" thing.
 
  • #429
No worries, Enigma, I see where you are coming from and what triggered the line of thinking.

All the way to page 6 today. That Camillaorosa really does want someone to look at their porno pics....
 
  • #430
lol - not sure what more to say. The restaurant we are going to tomorrow night is very romantic. There's a piano-bar for before/after dinner drinks and she's already said she'd like to get dressed up and make it special so I'm totally into it.

She's out with our daughter right now - getting mani-pedi's - even though she's not seeing Paul, she still says it makes her feel sexy and feminine. I told her that I loved seeing her pampering herself and looking good which made her smile. I'm sitting here with a wicked hard-on thinking about what she said - that her nail-polish is sometimes all she has on when she's with Paul - it is just so cool to feel horny about that.

I'm going to refrain from jerking-off right now even though I know I"m due - just in case she wants a little fun or a little more fun tomorrow night. I will say one thing - I will surely appreciate it when she is ready to share herself with me again. No more taking it for granted. So to those who feel they need to remind me to be enthusiastic if/when she offers to be physical with me - no need to worry there. I think I'm actually really understanding the beta mode right now - I want her to lead and I want her to be the one who says when she wants me back in her physically. For now, the thought of her sleeping next to him with his semen leaking out of both her holes is amazing to think about.
 
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Steve,

I would like to take a moment to congratulate you on your journey year to date and for taking the time to make Mothers Day weekend a special time for Sue.

It is good that your wife was able to spending some time with your daughter and enjoying some pampering time in as they were getting mani-pedi’s done. As you have mentioned, there is truly something good about getting mani-pedi’s done due to how it makes a person feel and as you noted, Sue’s nail-polish is sometimes all she has on when she's with Paul.

As you mentioned, being beta does bring about a realization and appreciation of your relationship with Sue. It is great that you have reached that point in your relationship were you would never take Sue for granted on any level. You are clearly now in the mind set of a true beta husband, you also remind me of a man that is taking an approach that is actually pretty common in the FLR community. There is something to be said when a woman/wife takes the lead in many aspects of the marriage and takes control of the sexual side of the marriage. You have clearly transitioned and as you said, for now, the thought of her sleeping next to him with his semen leaking out of both her holes is amazing to think about. Congratulations…

As to the talk about romantic environments, restaurants and activities, it is amazing how we each interpret what romantic is. So many people seem to think you cannot be romantic without sexual contact; so many people seem to think you cannot have intimacy without sexual contact. At some point others that follow your story will see and understand that a couple can be romantic and intimate without being sexual.

In reality, being romantic can be as simple as an expression of love, amorous, tenderness, attitude and affection. This could include something as simple as "a romantic candlelit dinner", conversations, interactions, and while it may be sexual in nature it truly can be accomplished without being sexual. This can also be said about intimacy; as intimacy can be as simple as familiarity, closeness, affection, and yes while it may be sexual in nature it truly can be accomplished without being sexual. You and Sue have reach a point where you both can have a romantic evening out together and also continue to maintain a level of intimacy within your marriage even while knowing that your interrelationship sexual connection has evolved.

This is a journey that you and Sue have taken together as a couple and even with the inclusion of Paul within your relationship you still are in this as a couple. It is clear that Paul will be in the relationship at least up until the time you and Sue relocate as you mentioned in the past and even than it is likely that she will continue to always desire to have another man within the relationship. It will always be a positive move to continue to maintain the non-sexual intimacy and romantic nature of your marriage. Be the husband, and be the best friend that Sue needs you to be. This can be done while maintain your beta preferences.

SS
 
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SquirmingSub said:
Steve,

I would like to take a moment to congratulate you on your journey year to date and for taking the time to make Mothers Day weekend a special time for Sue.

It is good that your wife was able to spending some time with your daughter and enjoying some pampering time in as they were getting mani-pedi’s done. As you have mentioned, there is truly something good about getting mani-pedi’s done due to how it makes a person feel and as you noted, Sue’s nail-polish is sometimes all she has on when she's with Paul.

As you mentioned, being beta does bring about a realization and appreciation of your relationship with Sue. It is great that you have reached that point in your relationship were you would never take Sue for granted on any level. You are clearly now in the mind set of a true beta husband, you also remind me of a man that is taking an approach that is actually pretty common in the FLR community. There is something to be said when a woman/wife takes the lead in many aspects of the marriage and takes control of the sexual side of the marriage. You have clearly transitioned and as you said, for now, the thought of her sleeping next to him with his semen leaking out of both her holes is amazing to think about. Congratulations…

As to the talk about romantic environments, restaurants and activities, it is amazing how we each interpret what romantic is. So many people seem to think you cannot be romantic without sexual contact; so many people seem to think you cannot have intimacy without sexual contact. At some point others that follow your story will see and understand that a couple can be romantic and intimate without being sexual.

In reality, being romantic can be as simple as an expression of love, amorous, tenderness, attitude and affection. This could include something as simple as "a romantic candlelit dinner", conversations, interactions, and while it may be sexual in nature it truly can be accomplished without being sexual. This can also be said about intimacy; as intimacy can be as simple as familiarity, closeness, affection, and yes while it may be sexual in nature it truly can be accomplished without being sexual. You and Sue have reach a point where you both can have a romantic evening out together and also continue to maintain a level of intimacy within your marriage even while knowing that your interrelationship sexual connection has evolved.

This is a journey that you and Sue have taken together as a couple and even with the inclusion of Paul within your relationship you still are in this as a couple. It is clear that Paul will be in the relationship at least up until the time you and Sue relocate as you mentioned in the past and even than it is likely that she will continue to always desire to have another man within the relationship. It will always be a positive move to continue to maintain the non-sexual intimacy and romantic nature of your marriage. Be the husband, and be the best friend that Sue needs you to be. This can be done while maintain your beta preferences.

SS

I keep on learning. Wondered what FLR means. (English is not my native language). So asked mister Google.
Wikipedia said FLR is Female Led Relation.
Thanks SS.
 
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  • #433
I have to say that we had a really great weekend. Between the kids being home - getting over to see Sue's mom for a while yesterday was nice. She's still hanging in there - surprisingly. Last night's dinner plans went off without a hitch even with the rainy weather. She looked beautiful in a mid-length dress that showed off her legs. A part of me had hoped she'd go a bit further and maybe tease me by wearing some stockings and a garter-belt but she didn't - instead she just went for panty-hose.

This is perhaps the first Mothers Day where I honestly had zero expectation of sex with her and truly - just wanted to shower her with love and affection and I think it turned out far better than either of expected. We talked a bit as we got dressed and she told me she really appreciated all that I was doing for her but to me it was obvious as we were both in varying states of undress at the time that she meant it in terms of not pressuring her or expecting sex. It was really obvious as she didn't flaunt her body or anything and instead pulled on panties and her bra fairly quickly without really pushing them at me as she sometimes does.

We had a glass of wine in the piano bar before dinner. We talked a lot - it was really nice. Dinner was also really nice too - food was amazing - she liked that I left a good tip for the waitress. And it was really nice coming back to our empty house afterwards, it must have been well after 8pm by the time we got in. We both got changed when we got home and she put her night-shirt on and a robe over that. I pulled on some lounge-pants and a shirt and we settled in the den to watch some TV. She brought one more glass of wine for us to drink as we watched.

The thing that surprised - and really pleased me - was about two hours later - it must have been about 10:30pm and we made our way upstairs to the bedroom. She was in the bathroom for a moment before she came to bed and we spooned up a bit in bed and snuggled together. Yes my cock was hard and she knew it - but I knew that it wasn't going to be being used. But what did surprise me was about 15 minutes later she turned to me and kissed me and said softly "would you want to end Mothers Day really nice for me?". I looked at her and said "of course" not knowing what she was about to say. She smiled at me and softly "would you make me cum?". I got so horny from how she said it so dainty-like. I looked at her and said "of course baby...." and then I just said softly "you ready now?" and she smiled and said "in a few" just before she pulled me in for a kiss. I ran my hands down her body - she let me feel her breasts through her night shirt - and I could tell she'd taken her panties off before she came to bed.

We kissed one more time before I looked at her and I started to slide down under the covers. I so wanted to stop at her breasts and suck and play with them but I knew she didn't want that as I felt her hand on my shoulder kind of guiding me. She held the covers up for me and pulled them aside as I moved down to her stomach and then waist. I couldn't see much with just the flickering of the TV but as I moved downward I smelled her. Maybe it's been a while - but it struck me that I loved being able to smell that she was horny and when I did find and start to play with her pussy - there was no doubt she was horny!

What struck me as I started to play with and then lick her pussy and get her turned on was that I'd never even considered fucking her or even asking about me at all. I was so hard as I moved into position between her legs and that was when I realized just how much I'd changed and how good it felt to be truly doing this for her and not to her. To be honest, I was surely horny enough but I didn't masturbate and instead focused on what she wanted.

Her hand guided me to what she wanted and I knew when she pulled her legs back for me that she wanted me to really take care of her. Sometimes I know she just wants a little or for me stay-on-the-outside, but not last night. She let and encouraged me to push my fingers and tongue into her as far as I wanted!!!! I started out slowly like I know she loves and to be honest, it felt so amazing to feel her respond to my touch and my caresses. Hearing her moan softly as I licked all around was just amazing but parting her pussy lips for the first time in so long now was a moment that actually had me almost nervous with excitement. Sure I've gone down on her before but this was the first I've had to feel her becoming aroused and to feel, taste and smell and be a part of that was exciting. She moaned loudly as she felt my fingers gently caressing her labia and then gently massaging around her opening as I got her more and more horny. And just like a beautiful flower - as I gently licked and rubbed and caressed - she opened up so amazingly. I felt her hand move to the back of my head which I knew meant she wanted more. I teased her and resisted diving in for a bit longer - so hot to hear her moan with that sexual desire.

I could probably write several more paragraphs at how wonderful it was to truly bring her to orgasm last night - not just once - but at least 3 or 4 times the last of which left her loudly moaning and holding my head tightly in place while I licked at her clit and felt her pussy clenching down on the 2 or 3 fingers I had in her.

I probably could have made love to her - in the middle of it all I could have easily slid up and pulled my fingers out and pushed my cock into her. I did think about it for a moment too - but then I knew that it just isn't what either of us wanted for that moment. Don't get me wrong, the thought was very intense - but I knew she and I would have likely regretted it.. But feeling her resist at first and then - as my fingers probed the inside of her pussy for the first time in a long time - feeling her slowly let go and then, by the end, with her legs pulled back as far as she could - I had my tongue deep inside her tasting every bit of sweetness that oozed out of her.

It was the first time in I can't really remember that I got to truly taste just her - none of his cum in her this time - and I could easily tell. She is still so sweet tasting when she gets into it that it really made me feel jealous and envious of Paul enjoying this with her.

I knew she needed one more, last, big orgasm to set her night off and again, the thought of doing it to her with my cock really did fill my head - but she did not ask or suggest that so I didn't pursue it. Instead I just really remained focused on her response and feeling the wrinkly-g-spot inside her pussy just before her last orgasm was perfectly timed. She let out a loud deep moan as my finger(s) gently grazed past it and I remembered somethign I'd read recently - that the real g-spot is just above the wrinkly area in her pussy - and as I massaged that - along with really going at her with my other fingers on the outside. A few moments later I felt her body start to shake and shudder - and I knew she needed it so I gave it to her. My fingers teasing her backside had me equally hot knowing he's had her there.

I could tell she wasn't holding back and neither was I. I wont' say she squirted when she came the last time - but I will say that it REALLY got wet in there when she finally let loose.

She lay there thrashing back and forth and when I felt her hand ease on my shoulder I kept going for a bit more - loving the feeling of her body trembling as pleasure ran over her back and forth and then feeling her finally, relax, spent, into the bed. I licked and kissed as much as I could inside and then all over the outside of her pussy which seemed to finally allow her to fully relax and open her eyes again. She pulled me to her and we kissed - this time my face and mouth tasting like her instead of Paul or my own cum. She told me she loved me in between kisses. Before I rolled back onto my back I looked down at her - naked from the waist down - and her pussy now reddended and swollen and I just looked for a moment. She watched as I was looking at her and as she looked down she saw my hard cock and she smiled and said "looks like he needs some attention from you". And as I lay back she said "I want to watch you now".
 
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Well Steve. It's clear how much you got out of the evening up to that point. I'm sure we are waiting to see whether the gesture was reciprocated in a fair way. FLR may describe your relationship at the moment but that shouldn't mean you get nothing, only that what you do get is probably on Sue's terms.
 
  • #436
Hello everyone - it's been a crazy week at work including yesterday.
However, Sue has just gone off to see Paul for this evening but she's said she'll be coming home late tonight as opposed to staying over.
I was going to ask why but then thought against it. After not seeing him last weekend, I would have thought for sure she would have been itching (literally) to see him during the week - but it simply never came up - although she was quite busy herself too this week. Similarly I thought for sure she'd be packing an overnight bag - but instead, she just took a change of underwear and that's all. She did shower and freshly shave her pussy this morning including going around the backside too - again, I just observed her in the shower and she giggled when she saw me watching her.

Not much more to share other than my continued head-games/thoughts about whether there's something changing between her and Paul. In some ways it seems that having anal sex with him has somehow perhaps taken her to where she's wanted to feel/be - there surely seems to be less urgency - even this past Wednesday night (no we did not skip it) - the teasing and stuff she'd said to me was more focused on me and not about him. Of course it was mostly about what I don't get as she seemed to take enjoyment in telling me about how she feels sexually with him.

More later - got some painting around the house going on today and want to get back to it before the brush dries between coats. That and I'm hoping to wait till later tonight to masturbate with her when she gets home.
 
  • #437
I should update this a bit more - we took today off of work - finally a day without rain here so I could do some stuff outdoors and Sue, well the thought of 2 short-work-weeks (next week being an early-out Friday for Memorial Day). We talked about it and she thought this would be better than waiting till tomorrow - lol. Although I won't be surprised if she calls later and says she's spending the night.
 
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  • #438
Maybe Paul has said he's out early on Saturday to play golf and she just wants to cut her losses. I mean if it is just about the sex and there is no chance in the morning, she may as well come home. Sends him a message too. Question is, would she rather spend the night cuddled up to him or you? To that end, if I was her I think I'd rather not come home tired, but all blissed out and snuggly for my husband only to watch him wank. She will definitely get nothing out of that but she might appreciate the company. Get your sub hat on. What would Sue want? Get it done earlier or hold it over for the weekend.
 
  • #439
Wow. If you close your eyes you can see the tumbleweed. Is there something going on you can't tell us about, Steve?
 
  • #440
Hello Steve, curious and waiting LOL

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