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  • #841
Deepest condolensce for your families loss. I had a family member have a stroke and then pass later, so I understand the statement completely.

What you did was perfect not only as a human being, but also because of what you are personally both trying to achieve. Give her love as she needs, but understand she is the alpha. You should talk to her as a friend if she needs to connect with her lover and friend also as her father's death and mother's fraility will highlight her mortality also. You can also ask if she wants to tamp it down or continue if you feel the time is right.

Reassure that you miss making sure that her sexual needs are being taken care of and want to make sure as her friend she gets what she needs when she needs it. If she needs an extra day or two with Paul to get away from it all ... you should suggest that if she wants to continue.
 
  • #842
Peak - it actually came up in conversation yesterday - I told her that I was happy she "took care" of herself and she smiled and said that she hoped I understood that she just needed to take care of it herself. As far as relieving her grief with me somehow, believe me, the closeness between us in these past few days has been really wonderful. Last night she fell asleep spooned up against me and being hugged by me. She didn't say it, but I know she was glad that she didn't have to deal with me sexually as I know from how she is that it would have been more difficult for her to. She hasn't mentioned it yet but I'm sure she's hoping to see Paul this week. But I"m also not pushing her on that - I want her to come to a decision on her own about when and how she'll see Paul next, I just know that by the end of this week - she is going to want to.

For Tegelad - as I said above, I want Sue to feel free to tell me what she needs. If she wanted an extra day or two with him, I suppose it'd be okay but I'd want her to be asking me for it as opposed to me saying it to her. I have mentioned Paul in passing over the past few days and she's just said "yes, soon" for the most part.
 
  • #843
Fair enough Steve. There is a fine line between Sue coping with her grief in her own way, sorting her frustrations in her own way and then actively blanking you or deliberately stopping sexual contact in some way. I think I can understand that in your eyes (the ones that count) Sue has not crossed that line. Your second post makes that clear. For me the first was more ambiguous. I'm sure you will continue to simply care for her. It's usually now, when the funeral is over and people have left that the grief really hits.
 
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  • #844
Peak, I wasn't offended in any way nor did I think anything bad by her self-pleasure preference.
It's interesting but I actually feel that us not having sex now is doing what others have said would happen - during close/emotional times - that I think she feels closer and stronger ties with me because of how supportive I've been and at the same time, her not having to want/think about sex with me.
And with all the commotion and company (thank fully everyone has left now) it's also made it easier on me to simply remove sex from the list of things we would do together and it's made the past week, I think, less stressful for Sue and I. I also think it's delayed me from fully feeling the changes that we've made so far.
 
  • #845
Steve, it is good to see that everyone is as good as can be considering everything that has happened this past week.
 
  • #846
Hi Squirm - yeah - things are kind of in limbo for a while here now.

I've been thinking a bit though and in some ways it's made it an easier transition into being fully denied - so that first weekend when I may have started feeling the loss of sexual contact with her was defused a bit in I knew (we both did) that sex was off-the table. And again for this past weekend, even if I wasn't the beta, I again knew we wouldn't have had sex anyway - so it's really this week and this coming weekend when I believe I will feel it more fully. In this way, it's a bit of an easier entry into it as I haven't had to deal with them together yet.

I'm looking for a bit of a silver-lining so to speak.
 
  • #847
Steve - You may be right....
 
  • #848
Not much to update about today - she's running herself ragged right now shuttling back and forth between her sister's and work and home - but it's understandable. They are moving more stuff to the sister's house with the hopes that maybe her mom will stay there and they can give up the apartment as the assisted-living stuff isn't really needed for the time being. At least it'd save some money as those senior citizen housing with the available assistance isn't cheap.

I'm hoping that she'll want to do our normal Wednesday routine but at the same time, if she's as tired as she's been these past few days, then I know not to expect it.

I've been corresponding with several people and the consensus is that it'd be a nice thing for me to reach out to Paul and arrange for some time for them if Sue's just too consumed to be thinking/planning for herself. If she's home late again, then perhaps after work tonight while waiting for her, I'll send him an email and suggest a time to talk on the phone or in person.

The other thing that I've been thinking about and also being encouraged from online friends is for me to talk to Paul and let him know more about what we're doing. It's interesting in that some of the people who've contacted me and suggested this have said that it would be better for Sue if I would talk to Paul about all of that. I can agree with some of that - but some of those who've suggested this had also implied that it could lead to more than I think either of us are ready for, in that it could make this experiment more of a permanent type of thing. Despite truly enjoying the beta role, I think it's still too early for me just yet to be going in that direction, I have aversive thoughts when I look into the long term of our current status.
 
  • #849
Steve. I think you're right that Sue may be distracted enough to be in the right mood to play tonight. Equally it may be just the diversion she needs at the moment. You are right in understanding that in your relationship at the moment, it is her decision. Equally, it is her relationship with Paul, not yours. If Sue thinks it's a good idea to talk to him then it's your place to agree beforehand the topics but it's nor your place to talk to him without agreeing it first. You have no idea how the passing of her father has affected her perception of her relationship with Paul in the short term, nor are you probably aware of what she has talked to him about over the last few days. I would be shocked if it was nothing. So you don't know what threads or white lies she has started and the last thing you want to do is get amongst them. Your online friends seem to be living their fantasies through you. Real life requires more consideration.

For what it's worth I do think that some variation of your Wednesday evening would do you both some good. I just hope Sue thinks the same way!
 
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  • #850
Curious if Paul attended the visitation.....perhaps some would disagree but I do not believe a brief paying of respect would cross a line of decorum.
I would also be shocked if she has not spoken to him as of late.
It's a no brainer to not expect anything and keep your desires invisible tonight other than to provide comfort...if she wants some erotic fun she'll lead you there.
 
  • #851
I came home to some leftovers and a note that she'd again gone off to her sisters. Apparently they are now realizing that there's a lot of legal stuff that needs to be tended to.

I was going to call Paul but I think, at least for right now, Peak you are correct that until she and I talk a little bit, I don't want to impose something on her that maybe she's already planned herself. I do think Paul could have come to the visitation/viewing, but he did not. I think him coming to our house and finding our kids and I to be "there" was a surprise enough for him that he perhaps didn't want to get closer. I also think it could have made Sue feel weird seeing him there and causing conflicting feelings, etc., so personally I think it was better that he didn't attend.

I'm hoping for some fun tonight with her. I think it'd be good for her to return to "normalcy" a bit and to start to shed some of the doom and gloom. I will also say that I know that soon if not now/already, that she is going to want and even need a good fucking that will shake the last of the funk out of her. I know in the past after difficult times, she's really "needed it" so to speak. Right now it's quite erotic to think/know it won't be me doing it to her this time.
 
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  • #852
A good choice I think and good luck tonight.
 
  • #853
I would suggest if no one but the two of you are in say on a Friday, invite Paul over for Pizza and beer as a way for the two of you to connect, and if she shows up ... she can take the action if she desire it ... if not if he drinks to much ... a good host will offer a free room to sleep in :)

As for the legal and other aspects ... I have seen that happen with my grandparents and other older relatives in action, and yes ... it is a tremendous amount of effort especially if you have to involve PoA and other things ....
 
  • #854
She surprised me last night when she came in from her sisters and said she still wanted to do our "Wednesday routine" if I wanted to. I laughed at her for thinking I wouldn't want to.

The other surprises came when, as I was starting to stroke away, she shared that she wanted to be sure I would be okay if Paul came over this weekend. Not staying the night, but coming over after his golf game on Saturday and "staying late", when I asked how late she giggled and said "might as well be all night" as far as where I'd be sleeping, etc.

We talked about it and she said that it was him that had setup plans for Sunday morning that he didn't want to change and didn't want to wake/bother her and I really early Sunday morning wanting us to enjoy this weekend as much as we can relaxation-wise after last week. I told her that was up to her but that I was okay with it. She asked me if I wanted to be there - implying to watch them, and again as she well knew but likes to hear, I told her I surely would. She was talking quite openly and it was her who said that "it might get a little physical.... just so you know" and I simply nodded my head as I surely do know.

But she also said something to me about whether I would ever tell Paul more of how I feel and it was her who said that it might be good for the 3 of us to be more open about everything and she looked at me and said "after all baby, things are going to change a little bit for us soon".

Just the way she said it had my cock rock hard and dripping away which clearly made her smile. She said that she was sorry we'd had to delay getting things started but that she admitted that she'd "been very horny this week" and said that was a good sign for her that she was feeling more normal again (which made me laugh inside). She asked me "are you still ready for everything we'd talked about?" and I nodded and gave her a genuine 'yes' and I told her that these past few weeks, while they'd been hard on her and us, were also good and I shared with her my thoughts on how it was maybe better to have eased into it this way. She reached over and held my hard cock over my own hand and stroked it a few times with me and she told me that she wanted to be sure we'd had time tonight "for this" and she said she wanted to always share this with me and how she liked how it made her feel about us with me wanting to share it with her. She commented on how she'd even like to watch me more sometimes when she is in the right place (as opposed to the other night) and she giggled that "you'll get to watch me this weekend, won't you". I told her that I thought it was good that Paul wasn't truly spending the night as for me "and for you" that I told her I thought we should both start more slowly with this.

So, as you can imagine, this was just a really comfortable conversation to be having and while we are still moving ahead, she was totally ahead of me with how she was feeling and agreeing to "starting slowly". Needless to say - I was totally into stroking away (and yes, I've kept it shaved mostly - I am letting it grow in a little bit above my cock but from the base of my cock down, I'm keeping it bare for her) - and I swear it felt bigger than ever. And I can share the thoughts in my head at the time - on another website there's a page with a picture on it of a huge bare cock with a caption of something like "being big doesn't mean it needs to be used" and I thought about how erotic it was that my cock was hugely erect in front of her and for both of us to know that it's not going to be used either.

I was stroking away enjoying the moment when she turned her head up to look at me and she said softly to me "baby..... do you ever think about telling Paul more of what we're doing?". I guess she noticed my rhythm of my stroke changed and she said "do you?". I stayed stroking but slower and more deeply and I turned to look at her. I told her that I too had been thinking about it and I asked her both what she'd told him as well as what she was thinking I would tell him. I also asked her as we talked how she thought he was going to be and how he was going to feel about everything.

Now we only talked for maybe 20 minutes total from start to when I finally orgasmed with her and we weren't/couldn't talk at times as I got closer so we only talked in generalities - and agreed that it wasn't going to happen this weekend, although I did say that maybe I'd start to say something to him this weekend. Regarding what she's told him - she's told him about my ED situation and that a lot of the time I find it easler to simply not deal with sex rather than have to take Viagra or something like that and how I'm working with my doctor on alternate medications that might be affecting it - so he has an understanding that I haven't been wanting to underperform and that I have been okay with her pretty much only having sex with him. She's also told him that she's "enjoying" her newly found menopause-pregnancy-safety and that she wants sex a lot more than she did in the past. (so I guess that sort of explains what he must be thinking about her attitude/desire). As far as what she'd like me to tell him - first she said "whatever you are comfortable with" but she then added that she thought it would be easier on us all if I could be more honest with him about what I wanted instead of what she is telling him that she (and in turn, I) want. She told me that she thought it would be easier on me - again going back a ways, if it "didn't feel like I was fighting it" and she looked at me and said that even though she "knows" it's what I want to do/try/happen, that even she says that she still feels some apprehension from me and she actually said that if I came out and told him more, that she thinks it would change how I feel. I noticed she didn't answer my question about she thought he was going to feel about it so I asked. She smiled at me and she said "baby, he doesn't really care - he knows you love me and he thinks that this is all great" and she proceeded to tell me that over the 2+ years they've been together, that he has pretty much gotten-used-to how it is with me and he knows that I enjoy him having sex with her even if I can't bring myself to tell him. And in that she said that "he'd probably think no different other than maybe understanding more of what is going on". Whcih did make me think..... And I concluded that I'm still not ready to tell him everything - but that I also told her that I was sure that if things proceeded as she hopes they will, that I thought it would only be natural that over time, I tell him most everything.

It wasn't that intense of a conversation - it was light-hearted and she'd continued to tease me telling me at times "looks like that's turning you on to think about". As the time began to go by, she turned the conversation back towards sex and turning me on. When she started to tell me again how she'd been horny and she cooed in my ear about how "wet I've been sometimes" I was rock hard and ready again. And again the earlier thoughts about that caption of being big doesn't mean it is going to be used, it so turned me on. I came just after she whispered how she was looking forward to "feeling him again".
 
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  • #855
Couldn't really have gone better Steve. Glad all went well and you are both going into a Paul 'Lite' weekend so much on the same page.
 
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  • #856
Steve, It would seem that everything went great on Wednesday evening. It would seem that you and Sue are generally in agreement on the direction and with you being much more open with Paul about your desires along with your mutual preferences. I would agree with Sue with regard to the belief that you would likely begin to feel less apprehensive once you open up to Paul about it. Safe travels on your shared journey.
 
  • #857
Seems very good that Sue is almost reading on your thoughts about conversation with Paul.
 
  • #858
Good point Raks. Steve, do you know whether Sue is still in touch with her 'advisors' on the internet as she was a few months ago? If so there is a good possibility that through them she IS reading your thoughts...
 
  • #859
Raks/Peak - I agree, curious timing on her part but it has been something we discussed - although not in great detail other than my continuing thought of how to be more comfortable around him. And I also believe she is communicating with others online who are likely reading what I am posting and shared, perhaps intentionally, perhaps not. Whatever the source of her ideas, her timing of asking/telling me about them was quite well planned (if it was) as she clearly knows when I am most vulnerable and susceptible and, of course, receptive. I was also wondering but haven't figured out how to ask her but thought maybe this was part of what she'd said about finding ways of making Wednesday's and other times better for me. So not sure of her intention overall yet.
 
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  • #860
Curious kind of feedback loop possibly isn't it. I mean it could any one of us.... not me obviously but it could be ...

Jokes aside I do hope her advisors use restraint if they are sifting the tealeaves here and even more important, I really hope everything goes well for you this weekend. I say you because I'm pretty certain that Sue is going to get exactly what she wants. Have fun with it. Just remember she's all yours in the morning.
 
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