Next steps?

[peakmb]

Careful Will, you almost sounded human there.

 

[will2112001]

Believe what You like. It really is how I feel. We each have our rolls to play. They are all vital.

 

[Jaxunman]

Will, good, thoughtful reply.

 

[raksdeer]

I think Frank's main sin is that he put friendship above pussy. I think Steve and Sue both knew that deep down when they agreed he would make a good affair partner for Sue, because he was safe and just coming out of a bad marriage getting his guts torn out. Frank was their friend first.

As long as Frank did not know that Steve was in loop he was just a fuck buddy for Sue, but as Steve extended his relationship with him as a friend who gladly offered his wife, he became much more. Sue wants her lover to take possession of her, while Frank is acting like a real friend who is thankful to Steve that he has offered him his prized possession. So what's wrong with Frank!

Sue desires above all now that her lover should want her so much that he should object even her talking to her husband on Phone too much. Now that Frank or even someone whom Steve knows could possibly do. In my opinion Sue and Steve should be open with Frank too. They should tell him that while he is and will remain a friend, he should take more aggressive role in his relationship with Sue - to the point of denying Steve, because that's what both of them want - Sue's lover denying Steve! May be permanently. I think if they are open in communication, they will get what they want and more with the safety of being in relationship with a well known friend.

 

[dana007]

Raksdeer

i do agree with you.

but i do not know if frank will step up to do or be what sue is looking for i do not think so.

 

[will2112001]

As long as Frank did not know that Steve was in loop he was just a fuck buddy for Sue, but as Steve extended his relationship with him as a friend who gladly offered his wife, he became much more. Sue wants her lover to take possession of her, while Frank is acting like a real friend who is thankful to Steve that he has offered him his prized possession. So what's wrong with Frank!

Sue desires above all now that her lover should want her so much that he should object even her talking to her husband on Phone too much. Now that Frank or even someone whom Steve knows could possibly do. In my opinion Sue and Steve should be open with Frank too. They should tell him that while he is and will remain a friend, he should take more aggressive role in his relationship with Sue - to the point of denying Steve, because that's what both of them want - Sue's lover denying Steve! May be permanently. I think if they are open in communication, they will get what they want and more with the safety of being in relationship with a well known friend.

Relationships end at some point. Sue and Frank have come to that point. From Steve's writting Frank no longer kindles the fire in Sue. As One or two have pointed out Frank was asked to be something He was not. They maybe right. I maybe be wrong. I'm not so Kindly in what I think about Frank. (I feel He could have treated her better) But either way He is not what Sue is looking for Now. However Sue ends it is up to Her. ( You are so right on this Harry).

 

[Harry2614]

"In my opinion Sue and Steve should be open with Frank. They should tell him that while he is, and will remain a friend, he should take a more aggressive role in his relationship with Sue, to the point of denying Steve, because that's what they both want. Sue's lover denying Steve! Maybe even permanently.
I think if they are open in communication, they will get what they want and more [from Frank] with the safety of being in relationship with a well known friend."

From all that we have learned from Steve and his quotes of Sue, Frank knows very little about cuckolding, or of Steve's fantasies. He has been curious, but Sue has shared little, so she could enjoy her time with him more.

He is, of corse, aware that Steve is sharing Sue with him, and he is OK with that. From Sue's description, Frank is willing, and able, to do what she desires well enough that she gets great pleasure, but he will not be 'possessive' or 'demanding', of her. Yes perhaps he would play the part, if asked, but it is not his nature to do so.

Sadly It is apparently too late to, 'mold' Frank into the lover Sue wants, and now needs. Perhaps, if Frank were her first lover, and all he knew was, that he was in a 'clandestine sexual relationship' with Sue, she may have liked it enough to not seek more. But of corse, it didn't happen that way.

Yes, they should be 'open', and explain to Frank, that Sue's needs are beyond what he is giving. Perhaps if his sex with Sue were infrequent, say 1-2 times a month, he would be desirous, and aggressive enough to keep Sue as a sexual partner, but she will still want a man that "wants her more." And so it is!

Cheers, Harry

 

[SoonToBe]

Crazy week at work - coupled with not much to tell from here.

But wow - you guys are really helping me see what I haven't been able to think about or focus on this week.

I should have more time tomorrow, but my thoughts right now is that Harry has it the closest to what I think is in her head. I think you all have important points too and have made me see that I don't think Frank can fulfill the type of role that Sue now seems to want - as many have said, he (and we in return) consider him a friend. I also just don't think he has it in him to sustain it - even if he could fulfill that role at times. But I"m also going to say that I don't think she wants it to be him to fill that role. She has told him, perhaps not in your face directly, but she's told him and expressed it enough that he should either know what she wants - or that he's just not that kind of guy. I never took him for any sort of dominant or controlling kind of guy.

A bit of a tangent - but one thing that Sue and I have felt - both about us and about life in general is that things should happen of their own accord, and not have to be coaxed or led into. What that means is that - in a relationship (whatever word you want to use) - that actions need to happen of their own. At a simple level - if 'she' wants to try out scuba-diving, then 'he' should be open to trying it of his own desire and not to have to be coaxed or persuaded. At something of a relationship level - I'd say that she feels that if Frank did somehow take a more aggressive/dominant/posessive role, that she would feel he is only doing it for her and not a something he wants. Right or wrong, it is how her mind works at times.

She is planning on going out once more this Friday night. A few of the girls she'd hung out with had asked her if she was going again. No, none of the guys did - but I don't think I'd expect that, at least not just yet. I told her to just be careful. But we have some snow in the forecast for Friday night so that will surely keep her home.

 

[peakmb]

STB,
Wise words. Does that mean Frank knows he's not going to get anothet visit?

Do you think Sue may try a little teasing tonight prior to Friday?

Not sure whether Sue may stay in due to snow. Seems like the perfect excuse to stay in town overnight to me! Or could that be another tease? Have fun.

 

[will2112001]

Just wondering? How long will You two go on like this before You try other things?
Have You thought of other ways of going about this? This seems very "Hit Or Miss"

 

[Harry2614]

"Just wondering? How long will You two go on like this before You try other things?
Have You thought of other ways of going about this? This seems very "Hit Or Miss"

Will, your last post you said: "However Sue ends it is up to Her. ( You are so right on this Harry)." (meaning about Frank)

Steve has realized in the past year, that Sue is in control. Obviously then, Sue will decide when and how to proceed.

Cheers, Harry

 

[SoonToBe]

Well, she surprised me this morning by saying she was going to stop by and see Frank this evening. I was surprised to say the least as I thought it was over (not sure why, but in my head I hadn't thought she would be seeing/fucking him). I asked her what was up and she said that she wanted to clear the air with him and "let him down gently". I asked her again whether he was that stupid that he couldn't see what was happening. She and then said that she'd told him that she wouldn't be seeing him as much and that he seemed to accept it but that she wanted to be sure things were on a good note between them - and she giggled and added "besides, it's been a while since I've been with him". A few minutes later she turned to me and said "you didn't think I wasn't going to sleep with him again ever, did you?" which she followed by saying that she thought she'd always have a "soft spot" (which made me giggle) for him and that she thought she'd perhaps see him every now and then in the future. So, as Harry stated - she is in control. It's weird to think but it's true.

Will - what would you suggest in terms of other ways to go about things and not be hit-or-miss? I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. I don't know that either of us truly knows what we want either now or for the future other than what we do right now. I believe our journey is much more influenced by the experiences we have rather than the thoughts about the future.

 

[will2112001]

Will, your last post you said: "However Sue ends it is up to Her. ( You are so right on this Harry)." (meaning about Frank)

Steve has realized in the past year, that Sue is in control. Obviously then, Sue will decide when and how to proceed.

Cheers, Harry

Does She know all the tools and options she has open to her?????

When The only tool You have is a hammer. Everything looks like a nail.

 

[will2112001]

Will - what would you suggest in terms of other ways to go about things and not be hit-or-miss? I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. I don't know that either of us truly knows what we want either now or for the future other than what we do right now. I believe our journey is much more influenced by the experiences we have rather than the thoughts about the future.

I understand what you saying about experiences and how they make a person look at things. I just look at My Own Life and How I look at things.
I do have a suggestion for You. PM and I will give it to You. I know I rub people the wrong way. I don't mean to. To those people I'm sorry. My Life Experience. People were direct and told the truth. You alway knew where you stood. As I have said more than once. I will tell you what You need to hear. It may not be what You want to hear. I mean no malice. Steve like i said if Your interested PM Me. I will give You Idea's. I just don't want anyone second guessing them. You will also need to keep an open mind.
Lets get one thing out of the way. None of My idea's Have Sue and Me Dating!!!!!! So No One has to bring that up!!!!!

 

[Harry2614]

"Well, she surprised me this morning by saying she was going to stop and see Frank this evening. I was surprised as I thought it was over (not sure why, but in my head I hadn't thought she would be seeing/fucking him). I asked her what was up and she said that she wanted to clear the air with him, and "let him down gently". I asked her if he was that stupid, that he couldn't see what was happening. She said that she'd told him, that she wouldn't be seeing him as much, and that he seemed to accept it, but that she wanted to be sure things were on a good note between them, and she giggled and added, "Besides, it's been a while since I've been with him". A few minutes later she said, "You didn't think I wasn't going to sleep with him ever again, did you?" which she followed by saying that she thought she'd always, have a "soft spot" ..... for him and that she thought she'd perhaps see him every, now and then, in the future."

I can understand. From what she has said that 'she will always want a [extramarital] lover. Right now Frank is the one. That may change, but she will not forget him.

Cheers, Harry

 

[SoonToBe]

Sue did see Frank last night. Yes, she did fuck him too. I was kind of disappointed that she did as I thought she was more committed to putting things on a hiatus - but she explained to me that she thought it would be easier to talk about after they'd had sex. Surprisingly, she said it was easier. As she put it to me last night - after they'd fucked and were lying in his bed she rolled over to him and said that they needed to talk.

She said that she did take him a little by surprise when she said that she wanted to continue talking about what they'd already started talking about. She said that she made it clearer that while she did cum with him and enjoy the sex with him - that she wasn't feeling as much from it as she'd wanted - or more aptly - didn't feel as much from it as she used to. Apparently he did the whole "I can change" thing and she said she held her ground and said that she didn't want him to change.

I was proud of what she said next - that did the whole "it's not you, it's me" routine which she said he begrudgingly accepted. But she said she continued and told him essentially what I'd said in my own earlier posts. Only how she said she explained it to him made it seem that she cared/felt enough for and about him that she couldn't accept him in the kind of role she felt she wanted.

I was kind of concerned that she'd burst his bubble too rapidly until she said that he felt better when she said "I just want to make it a bit more spontaneous for us and to try to make it a bit more exciting instead of being so 'regular'". She looked at me and said "I had to try to figure out what to say to him....". I told her that she'd done good and had let him down gently and that I thought she'd left it in a good place and I joked with her again that she'll always have that soft-spot for him in her heart (as well as between her legs!) and I told her that I thought it was okay that she'd maybe still enjoy being with him from time to time. I bit my lip a bit when she said "well, we'll see...." which I inferred that it may be fewer sooner.

The snow has started in earnest here so she's home for the evening when she gets home from work - they're being sent home early so she should be home within another 30-45 mins as 3pm was the early-out time.

I think she's both trying to let Frank down gently and prepare him for what she may want for herself in the future - but at the same time - to leave it open with him as maybe some sort of FWB thing in the future. I have to say that appeals to me as it may not be as much of a strain on our fledgling friendship - I've said all along that I'd have no qualms about her fucking him in the future as an FWB - I genuinely like Frank and would like it if things could evolve to maybe become that instead of this rigid weekly sex schedule.

Fortunately I decided to work from home today so it's onto another conference call in a bit. We talked so much last night about what went on that we didn't do anything sexually and I'm wicked horny for her for tonight.

 

[Cuck-Rick]

Steve,
I'm a little confused. In your post # 90 from Monday you mentioned that Frank sent Sue an Email asking her to come by on Thursday to "talk". At that point I assumed that she would go. From your later post it seems you didn't think she would. Why didn't you?
I thought it was good that he finally asked something from her. I was curious as to what he wanted to talk about. It sounds like Sue did all the talking.
As I said in an earlier post, if Sue can find a guy who fills what she is looking for, and you maintain a friendship with Frank, She might end up cucking both of you.

 

[will2112001]

As I said in an earlier post, if Sue can find a guy who fills what she is looking for, and you maintain a friendship with Frank, She might end up cucking both of you.

I'm not trying to be funny or making fun of You. But You find this Idea Shocking????

 

[Cuck-Rick]

I'm not trying to be funny or making fun of You. But You find this Idea Shocking????

No Will, I don't find it shocking. In some ways I find it erotic, and in some ways funny. I picture Steve & Frank sitting watching a ball game and waiting for Sue to come home from her date.

 

[will2112001]

Truthfully I always thought of Frank more as a Cuckold than a Bull.