My name says it all.

[am_I_a_cuck?]

After reading these posts I kinda agree with creamy and anglebaby. Creamy may have really hit the nail on the head. When I say I am hurt, I can't even explain it unless you have been through it.

Sure I had some fantasies about it, but as some others have said, once a real dick has been in her all bets are off and it becomes real and it aint so fun...at least to me. She has had 5 dicks in her, several times over...what the fuck is that?

When it first came out, and even when I suspected it but she always denied it, she's say, "you pushed me to it". So it was my fault because we had been fighting and going through a rough patch. I NEVER cheated on her. Did I think about it? Sure, but I never crossed the line into really doing it. She did, 5 times over.

I learned on a infidelity website that adultery is NEVER, EVER warranted. 50% of our marriage problems were mine, (I will even own up to a 75% as I was a worse husband than she a bad wife, but she was no picnic)...and I was the one who put her in the state of mind where she thought having sex outside the marriage was the only option. However it was 100% HER FAULT that she made those piss poor decisions. I had no choice in the matter, she didn't ask me for approval or what I thought about it. She has to "own" the fact that I had nothing to do with how she chose to handle our marital problems.

She is just now understanding this. I tried to explain it to her like this: Your boss doesn't like you, personally. He fires you for no real reason, you have not job, no money. You're hungry so you rob a bank and get caught. You tell the judge that isn't not your fault that you robbed the bank, your boss fired you and you were hungry.

What is the judge going to say? You should've gotten another job, borrowed money, got unemployement insurance, etc, etc. Robbing a bank is the LAST thing you would want to do.

Just like our marital problems....counseling, divorce, umm pretty much anything other than sex outside our marriage....and now our marriage of 30 years could be down the crapper because of her poor choices.

Actually I have an appt tomorrow at the therapist, and she has one on Sat..so hopefully this will help, but I dunno.

 

[AngleBaby]

Except you still love her, so you will fight to keep things going.
Give her a chance to change her ways. To become an honest woman. Take her up on the ultimatum and make her choose instead of making you choose; make her choose between loosing you and her bfs.

 

[creamy]

Dear Alicia & Jorge,
Look, you are a cuckold, you have no say when your wife gets fucked. So you kid yourself that its a good thing, a lifestyle, the way a woman should be. My own G/F often reminds me a womans got 3 holes to be used and occasionally wants them filled. But its with respect, agreement, love and above all honesty! This woman is not honest. She`s not even a slut, she`s a fucking tart! You can`t cuckold someone behind their back, that`s defeating the object. That is being a selfish, lying, bitch.
The guy isn`t happy being treated like that. If he were a cuckold he would be waiting in nervious excitement at his wifes latest sexual encounter, knowing she was being used, not being able to do anything about it and yet proud she is so attractive and horny. But this is different, he doesn`t like it. He doesn`t want it and he can do something about it...Get rid of her!
Life is not a rehersal, you only get one chance. You can`t be happy every day but you can try. And with a good woman he will be happy. It took me years to find the right one, only married once, she was great at the time, but nothing like this one ( my G/F) He needs to move on. Finding a woman? Where do I start? There are so many places, mediums, ways. Have you not got an immagination?
Or is that a cuckold thing? You don`t have an immagination, that`s why you let other guys use theirs, while you accept the situation and just eat your cream-pie like a good little cuck!

 

[mimi27406]

Sometime we do not see the forest for the trees.

We do have some counseling scheduled in the next few days, its mostly for me my wife says. I am very slooooowly coming to accept it, but I still have not and it will take a while.

I really do not have a choice, other than divorce and I can't do that.

My mind isn't where you said yet Jorge, in time I will be a full cuck, a willing one I suppose? Not now though.

Yes you are a cuck, and you have accomplished something many couples never do, and that is established an open line of communication. Your wife was concerned over your reaction to learning she was having sex with other men. At this point you have to quit beating yourself and her over this. She has been honest and you now and it is understandable, seeing the turmoil it has created, why she keep it a secret for some time. I expect now she feels free to tell you anything, and you her, and that is worth a lot. One cuckold benefit I have found, that no one has mentioned that I know of, is the cuckoldress takes better care of herself, makes sure she looks her best, and is quite able to look after herself.

 

[Jorge88]

It was not exactly that way

Dear Creamy:

In our case, things did not happen exactly that way. Alicia had never been with a man before me (She was a Virgin). She did not even want to Cuckold me.
I had to convince her that it was something good for our relationship.
It took me 6 years to finally convince her.
And before she does anything we always discuss if it is ok for our relationship.
In her case she will choose someone she likes, from all of the men that normally are after her.
Then she will tell me about him and we discuss everything beforehand.
Most Cuckolding couples do not do this. But this is understandable because our case is special in that we started when we were very young.
Unfortunately most couples start out later in life, so that the wife may have already cuckolded her husband behind his back.
But in our opinion this is no problem.
Things can still work out.
Of course love has to exist, for it to work.

So to answer your commentary:
I (Jorge)do not accept Cuckolding because she Cuckolded me and I have no choice.
I accept Cuckolding because it is the best thing for a couple.
We have discovered this after 30 years of studying Cuckolding.
She did not want to do it and I had to convince her.

Creamy: If you have never tried Cuckolding you are missing out on a great thing.

Best Regards:
Alicia and Jorge

 

[Jorge88]

There is a Reason

Dear Mimi:

About this:

" One cuckold benefit I have found, that no one has mentioned that I know of, is the cuckoldress takes better care of herself, makes sure she looks her best, and is quite able to look after herself".

You are absolutely right.
There is a reason for this:
1) One of the first things I noted in Alicia was that she looked prettier, her walk was livelier, her walk more seductive.
All of this is caused by hormones (Estrogen).
It makes her skin, her hair prettier.
Also it works in her brain making her behavior more seductive.
This has an unconscious effect in all men around her.
(You may have noticed this)

2) Because of changes in her brain, she will take more time and care in her clothes, hair, shoes, makeup etc.
This makes her sexier and prettier.

My question is:
Who would not want a wife like that?

Best Regards:
Alicia and Jorge

 

[Saraha]

The Queen Mother said that problems in a marriage should never be discussed in public, and she was very upset that Prince Charles and Princess Anne admitted adultery and discussed their problems to reporters. She supported Princess Dianna and Princess Fergie in many ways, but wished sincerely that their problems could have stayed hidden from the public Eye. James Hewitt was more than a cad, he simply betrayed Dianna and sought to profit from telling the media - he fucked her and sold his story for money gain.

Many successful marriages have "hidden the truth" from the public. In fact they were not successful at all, but the couple decided to keep up a pretense in public, so as to allow each to fuck others behind the scenes.

Humans have the same primal desires as animals, but we have higher intelligence and have formulated the "one man, one woman per marriage persona" so all humans have a reasonable chance of expressing their sexuality.

In the Second World War, 20 million Russian soldiers were killed by the German armies, so this caused a massive distortion of the chance for every woman to become married.

I have been surprised by the emerging culture amongst young women, now that religion has been ****** to step back, that a wife should definitely be allowed to top up her sex life with Bulls of her choice, if her husband honestly can't give her sufficient sex. This is not an attempt to create opportunities for divorce, but rather claiming what their bodies need (for a happy life).

Wedding vows are a contract, and many brides-to-be are writing their own version of the wedding vows to align with their desire to have lovers during the marriage. Their intended spouse is more than willing to agree to these "alternative vows" in order to get a wedding ring on her finger.

 

[Jorge88]

About Your Bank Robbery Analogy

Dear AIAC:

Your bank robbery analogy is very interesting.
But it does not apply to your wife.
Because of this:
Bank Robbery is not hardwired in our brains. It is not an instinct.
So when a person in the United States is fired from his or her work, they will not die of hunger.
What is hardwired in our brains is hunger and the search for food.
So in the USA there are several possibilities to assuage that hunger.
From looking for a job, to rummaging in the trashbins, to going to a soup kitchen or simply begging.

On the other hand Reproduction (Copulation) is a natural instinct.
It is hardwired in our brains.
But it is hardwired in a very special and particular way.
(Different in men compared to women)
But in general the normal urge consists in looking for variety and also the best possible partner to pass on your genes.
(This is an instinct)
People in the United States satisfy this normal urge the following way:
1) Not marrying and having multiple partners, one after the other or at once.
2) Marrying and being unfaithful secretly.
3) Marrying and then divorcing when the normal urge comes on.
4) Being Celibate and unhappy.
5) Remaining unhappily married (Controlling the urge) and being so unhappy that you make your partner miserable with your continous bickering.

or

6) Understanding the normal Reproductive behavior in men and women.
Talking it out with your spouse.
Listening to other couples that have gone through this.
Discuss with your spouse.
And Cuckold in loving agreement.

What do you think AIAC?

Please read this analysis of your bank robbery analogy with your wife and tell us what she thinks.
Because her opinion is also important.
Yours of course is also very important.

Best Regards:
Alicia and Jorge

 

[creamy]

Hi Jorge,
I`m glad cuckolding works for you, but it seems you believe in a different lifestyle to that explained to my G/F by a would-be bull. He basically wanted to take her away from me, fuck her, then hand her back and watch while I cleaned her. He wanted to do this so he could humiliate me and therefore they would both dom me. Next he wanted to sub her by fucking her with my knowledge, but not my consent, he said I wouldn`t have a say anymore. He also told her he would find a new cock for her each month, he would own her and hand her back to me while he was not around.
Needless to say we fucked him off out of it...creep!
So good luck Jorge, the sex sounded very horny, but the lifestyle never!

 

[Jorge88]

You are right

Dear Creamy:

You are definitely right. An abusive relationship has no place in Cuckolding.
In our case Alicia likes men to be especially gentle with her.
She likes them to be courteous and treat her very kindly.
She does not tolerate harsh treatment.
That is just the way she is.

But having said that, let us tell you that in some Cuckolding couples there is also an element of S/M involved.
This is not necessarily bad as long as both agree to this.

Also part of the excitement of Cuckolding is in the images or fantasy of humiliation.
For example:
Part of the sexual excitement of Cuckolding is in imagining your wife being possesed by another man.
For example imaginig her in submissive positions (Like Doggy Style).
Or imagining her on her knees fellating her lover.
This is very exciting.

But if you stop and think: This can all be done without abuse.
In my case (Jorge) I have been lucky enough to be able to see Alicia fellating her lover. Let me just tell you it is a sensation like no other.
But the important thing is this:
When it starts the male (her lover) is dominating.
But after a while and at the end, the male (Her lover) just melts and ends up whimpering and almost crying from pleasure.
Alicia has that effect in men.
(So that erases any image you may have of abuse from him).

Again thank you for your opinion:

Alicia and Jorge

 

[mimi27406]

cuckoldry is complex and it means different things

This thread started with a sincere individual trying to come to terms with a very depressing and frustrating situation. I've always taken the position that true cuckolding was NOT a desiring and comfortable situation for the male part of the relationship. To redefine the original definition of a word makes conversation about it almost impossible. One person using a word in a sentence, which has totally different definition or meaning to others, is, in the least, confusing, and could be totally dangerous.

Why do I bring this up now ... again? I guess it is because of the way my 2 kids talk. They use words and word injections, that make carrying on a conversation with them annoying to me, anyway. I know, when they are with their own peers, they rattle on like nothing is wrong, but if you're not in the flow of their lingo, you want to whack 'em upside the head.

Anyways, here's a blog I ran across which explains Cuckolding, Hotwifing, Wittols, etc in a more understandable "historical vs. modern" discussion. At least, by reading this, it makes the discussions in these threads a bit more understandable. Certainly they've spent more time thinking about this than I have. Mac

I Love Cuckoldry

I've always taken the position that true cuckolding was NOT a desiring and comfortable situation for the male part of the relationship.

I feel this statement gets to the heart of cuckoldry. Yes many men desire their wives to cuck them, maybe they lke men too, or feel it is a way to keep momma happy. Either way it is not comfortable, but who says a cuck, especially a sissy cuck, does not seek the humilation and erotic feelings associated with his wife being with another man. Many times it goes farther than he wanted, but it is too late and he is hooked.

 

[marys_pet]

Anyways, here's a blog I ran across which explains Cuckolding, Hotwifing, Wittols, etc in a more understandable "historical vs. modern" discussion. At least, by reading this, it makes the discussions in these threads a bit more understandable. Certainly they've spent more time thinking about this than I have. Mac

I Love Cuckoldry

I love the distinction the blogger makes between monogamy and faithfulness. I do not require my wife's monogamy, and it would be silly of me to try since I'm not going to get it, but I absolutely do require her faithfulness. If I thought for one second that I didn't come before all the other men (and women) in her life, the ones she's more inclined to share her bed with, then I would be gone in a heartbeat.

 

[mimi27406]

I for one

Dear Mimi:

About this:

" One cuckold benefit I have found, that no one has mentioned that I know of, is the cuckoldress takes better care of herself, makes sure she looks her best, and is quite able to look after herself".

You are absolutely right.
There is a reason for this:
1) One of the first things I noted in Alicia was that she looked prettier, her walk was livelier, her walk more seductive.
All of this is caused by hormones (Estrogen).
It makes her skin, her hair prettier.
Also it works in her brain making her behavior more seductive.
This has an unconscious effect in all men around her.
(You may have noticed this)

2) Because of changes in her brain, she will take more time and care in her clothes, hair, shoes, makeup etc.
This makes her sexier and prettier.

My question is:
Who would not want a wife like that?

Best Regards:
Alicia and Jorge

Who would not want a women like that?

 

[Jorge88]

Absolutely Right

Dear Mimi:

You are absolutely right.
When a woman starts Cuckolding she becomes the woman any man would just love to have as a wife.
So the least one can do (The husband) is give her everything she desires.
If it is possible, and it is compatible with your personality (Submisiveness)
then become her slave.
If this is not agreeable with your personality, then work very hard to give her security, or if that is not possible, then help her with houework.
Or simply and plainly give her all the love you can possibly give.

Best Regards:
Jorge

 

[Jorge88]

You have us worried

Dear AIAC:

Well, we are worried because you have not posted again.
We do hope you have not taken the very wrong decision of divorcing her.
Please, at least let us try to convince you not to take that step.
Of course the decision will in the end be yours, but please, at least give us the opportunity to explain why divorce is not the best road to take.

We hope that everything will turn out allright.

Sincerely:
Alicia and Jorge

 

[am_I_a_cuck?]

No we are not divorcing, I am just being abused by her, mentally and physically. She continues to see other men, one in particular, even though it causes me pain and hurt. I do not get as emotional now as I did when it first came out, but I still cry after she leaves. She comes home whenever she wants and isn't shy about what she was doing.

I will say we still make love, although I am the more loving and caring of her lovers. I am attentive and perform oral on her until she is satisfied. Im sure her lovers only want to fuck her, but they probably fuck her hard and stuff like that. Its passion that she doesn't get from me I suppose. I am slower but attentive and she says she needs and wants that. But she has other needs. What about my needs?

I am embarrassed to say this but she is doing something to me that we used to do a long time ago. Spanking. We did it long ago, but stopped. Now she uses it again if I mess up or don't do some things she wants me to do, but she also uses it when she is going out on a date and I have an "attitude" about it. I will say it seems to straighten me out, even if for only a bit.

But when she is gone I get sad again, and then I realize thats its my life, I can't do anything about it.

 

[mimi27406]

The true free spirited woman all cucks desire

She continues to see other men, one in particular, even though it causes me pain and hurt. I do not get as emotional now as I did when it first came out, but I still cry after she leaves. She comes home whenever she wants and isn't shy about what she was doing

.

The above quote brought out something I noticed long ago and even wrote of it on Club Sissy, that a woman once she becomes a cuckoldress, regardless of who intiated the relationship or how it came about, is much more brazen and takes on the personna of a stripper, ***** and tells her close friends and family what she is doing and cares not in the least what anyone thinks, or at least does not show it, while the poor cuck agonizes over his family, friends and coworkers finding out. She is seems to even gain respect in some quarters and the mousy females fear she will take their man. The hot woman never seems to lack for men.

 

[am_I_a_cuck?]

You hit the nail on the head I think. Some of her friends know, but she says she hasn't said anything to them. But I sense something from them, and get a different look...Pity? I dunno I but can tell a difference. I suppose they have been out together, (wife and her b/f's), with some of her g/f's, so they have to know she is sleeping with him.

I am so embarrassed over this and I do worry what my male friends would think or say, about me mostly. Like how can I not do anything about it, etc.

I feel so powerless.

When we go shopping, and as normal I follow her around, (my co-dependence), I see men checking her out all the time. She wears tight jeans a lot, or form fitting skirts and heels. I think she has power over men, by doing this. She knows she has me, Mr. Reliable, always there, doing whatever she says, accepting whatever she does. And she can pick and choose hot guys to have sex with, knowing she will not lose me, with me even learning to accept it.

I dunno what to do, my heart still hurts everytime she goes out. I wonder whats next? Thank god she hasn't tried to do it in front of me, as I've seen that lots of guys here want that, or THINK they want it.

As myself and some others have said, its a fantasy, having your wife fuck other guys, but when reality strikes, and she actually does get another mans cum in her, whenever she wants, it doesn't feel so good. I have no power. I have no self esteem...nothing. It sucks!

 

[Bradley]

well,

based on that last post, yes, you are a cuck.

You know, it's strange that women really do like men to fuck them hard and selfishly. It goes back to the whole high school cheerleader wanting the footbal star. Like it or lump it they want it. And we're no better. We always want the hot one.

I've learned it the hard way, (well, not as hard as some), be the man god-dam-it. That's what I've learned. Be an ass. Tell someone exactly what the fuck YOU want. No one will do that for you. If they don't like it, fuck 'em. If they want you, they'll call. And if they don't, well, get over it.

You know what a woman wants? She wants to be fucked hard, to have her hair pulled, her ass spanked, and her poor pussy pounded. And they don't want you to ask or for them to have to ask. Trust me, they'll tell you if they don't like it.

Now, how do you become that man for her? Well, therein lies the first problem. How do you become that man for you? Who the fuck do you want to be? Are there kids invovled? Do you want to watch football all day on Sunday? Do you want women to drool over you? What do you want? And once you know that, how do you get it? If it's women that you want, get the fuck off the computer and spend every g-d minute in the gym. You think women aren't visually stimulated? They're worse than we are....

So there's a take that you can take or leave.....

 

[alabull]

Credit is due to AngleBaby, for trying to give an emotionally ensnared member of a 30 year marriage one last shot at maintaining "the meaning of life as he had known and accepted it" for his first 49 years. By accepting the ultimatum, by continuing to pathetically compare your futile attempts to better her extracirricular sex, and by, now, submitting yourself to corporal punishment for not accepting her dominance, you have proved your willingness to be unwilling; by your actions you are accepting your status as a cuck.

By the way, the spiral down does not end with her pressuring you to clean up her freshly used pussy. While that is certainly on the the itenerary on your way to doing so willingly, even with fervor, you will rationalize to yourself that you are only do so in the hope that she will still share some form of her sexual prowness with you.

This is not an attempt to shock, ridicule, demean or cajole.....just an educated prediction, in the interest of disclosure, from a long-time married 49 year old, with a more open and honest marriage.