Soon,
Thanks for your description of your teen years, which I find very interesting — in part, perhaps, because I have always been among those who find it awkward and embarrassing to admit I jack off. This, of course, despite knowing intellectually that over 90% of boys and men do (and the rest are lying, as the saying goes).... and an apparently smaller but still substantial fraction of girls and women do; perhaps on the order of two-thirds (and many of the remainder are lying, presumably).
SoonToBe said:
The mention of self-sucking brings back memories. I was able to self-suck until I was about 15 years old at which point my body just grew too much that I could no longer reach. Unfortunately, I was never courageous enough to bring myself off that way.
Now, 30+ years later, it's only a dream as I was pretty scrawny way back when to be able to do that.
What?! You never continued to orgasm? Jeez.... that's unfortunate. Anyway, "scrawny and a lot more limber way back then" would have been a better way to put it. Maybe it's just as well. As one person put it, if men were flexible enough for that the sidewalks would be covered by men lying on their backs with their legs in the air, sucking their own cocks.
SoonToBe said:
I think feeling humiliated is very subjective.
Yes.... and it's a function of societal mores. If there's a broad consensus that a person is *supposed* to feel humiliated by [ — fill in the blank — ], and especially if others tend to laugh or sneer when they observe or hear of someone in that situation, then there's a strong tendency for one to be humiliated if caught exhibiting that behavior or in that situation.
SoonToBe said:
.... me and my gf masturbated all the time together - she'd watch me, I'd watch her. I never felt humiliated at all and after the first time, never felt embarrassed either.
That's very cool.
SoonToBe said:
My gf's younger sister was home one summer; her parents told her to "spy on us" while they were at work. Well, we knew she smoked cigarettes and that was only surpassed by drugs on the list of things her parents would freak about so we had our leverage against her tattling on us doing sex-stuff all summer.
Hah! That was good leverage. Parents can be very naive about their ability to keep track of what their teenagers are doing. I say this knowing my wife and I are parents and we both worked; when our son (now in his mid-twenties) was a teenager he of course had free access to our house in the afternoons, while we were working. I mean, he lived with us, right? We never made demands, though, re. what he "could and could not do" at home when he was there but we weren't. Instead, at a suitable age I took him out for a drive and spent some time talking with him about the importance of using condoms.... then told him how to get them for free at our local public health center, if he didn't want to pay for them at pharmacies.
SoonToBe said:
Our comfort - or rather, my comfort with masturbation with my gf got out in conversation with my gf's girlfriends. To the point where one afternoon me, my gf and 3 of her friends were hanging around and my gf (after we'd all drank a bit of wine) came out and asked me to masturbate and let them all watch!
That sounds deliciously erotic.... and, of course, humiliating.
SoonToBe said:
One of [my gf's girlfriends] ran out when my gf pulled down my shorts. Another ran off before I squirted but after I'd been stroking for a bit - but the 3rd, Julie, she hung around until I blasted off all over the place. She stayed till the very end - eagerly watching me.
That was a very good filter of their comfort level with sex. Obviously, only one of the three was sufficiently curious, interested and guilt-free to hang in there for your entire show.
SoonToBe said:
Well, this time she must have been in a pissy mood because when I asked her to suck me, she said "why don't you cum in your own mouth!" or something like that.
She may not have been in a pissy mood at all. Rather, the idea of demanding you do something humiliating in front of her — jack off into your own mouth and swallow your own cum — may have appealed to her in an erotic way, so she decided to try it.
SoonToBe said:
I don't remember all the specifics but a minute later she was holding my legs up over my head and encouraging me to masturbate! I probably should have felt humiliated but instead I felt so turned on that I remember vividly stroking myself until I was just about to burst, then she said "do it". So I did. I opened my mouth and let her help me masturbate and I swallowed my own load. I think she came herself from just watching me do that.
Ah.... so at an early age, you became accustomed to the concept of engaging in a "humiliating" sexual act for the viewing pleasure of an assertive woman, at her request. Good for both of you! That was an important aspect of your sexual education, I would guess.
SoonToBe said:
Before the summer was over [my gf] asked me to do that several more times and. At one point, again after a lot of wine one afternoon when no one was home, her younger sister and her friend Julie were there watching me do this for them, too.
So you performed your humiliating act for all three women, at the request of your assertive gf. Excellent! Good for them, and good for you too. This was another important step in your sexual education.... clearly, you demonstrated you were a man with promise.
SoonToBe said:
Funny thing, I never felt humiliated or embarrassed at all. ....
If you had, you probably wouldn't have done it....
SoonToBe said:
A 17-18 year-old guy being asked by his gf to masturbate in front of her younger sister and a friend should have been humiliating; what with cumming in my own mouth it should have been incredibly humiliating.
Definitely. No doubt this was part of, if not much of, the fascination for them.... the idea that your gf had the ability to demand that you, a young man, "humiliate yourself" for the viewing pleasure of all of them, and you did it.
SoonToBe said:
As I've long mentioned, Sue loves to watch me masturbate and now enjoys teasing me with aspects of her time with Brad to spur me on.
Good for your wife....
SoonToBe said:
And my wife wonders where I got my sexual perversions.... Having too much time as a teenager, for sure!
I suggest you would be "sexually perverse" from your wife's point of view even if you hadn't had too much time as a teenager. But hey.... surely your wife has "sexual perversions" you can tease her about...? How about wanting you to watch her fuck her lover in front of you...? Since you find you're somewhat queasy about that idea; i.e., you aren't automatically attracted to the concept, surely it must be "perverse."
—Custer