with all the hatred , bigotry, vitriol, directed against gay or bi men the real problem lies with the hater of those men the real racism and bigotry is force, manipulation, and fear projected on to these people. any pleasurable act between consenting adults voluntary and non-cooercive is positive ,to give and receive pleasure [orgasms] is a counter to the death culture of america and the world at large. more later. art69xxx