thank you subchard.... commenters on this site is few and far between.... more than once I wonder why I keep doing this.... especially with my "old threads" doing far better than here.... I really think the time is getting closer to hanging it up.... been at this 10 years or so... started when the kids were real young...... oldest just got a car!.... even started watching some tv with everyone here lately instead of on here gathering pics!..... enthusiasm definitely slipping!...... and anymore I spend more time looking for sites rather than saving pics.... everything seems to be old!.... I get to the point I just give up and fill some kind of a imaginary quota!