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I need Advice...bad

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I am new to this forum, and wanted to introduce myself, my situation and ask for advice.

I am 47, and my wife Karin is 36. We have been married for 12 years, do not have children and have been exploring a Female Led Relationship (FLR) for about three years. Things evolved slowly at first, but are going quickly and perhaps beyond what I had expected. I am trying hard to deal with many conflicting feelings and having trouble.

About four years ago I found some websites that explained how exciting and fulfilling a FLR can be. I realized that this would be perfect for us! My wife is naturally very competent, and is a leader in virtually any group she participates in, and I am much less a leader. I introduced my wife to the concept, and after over a year of slow progress, she had me doing almost all of the housework, and she had included many of the concepts from the Female superiority websites in our marriage. She still asks my opinion, but the final decision is hers alone! We do not argue any more, and I recognize her as the superior person she is! Her happiness is the most important thing in my life. Some of those sites stress that sex is for the pleasure of the woman, and that is often achieved with the man’s tongue licking the woman’s pussy. That became the norm for us, and I am allowed to cum only when told to masturbate with Karin watching and given permission.

There are parts of our relationship that others may consider odd, but I do not care! Over time, she began to indicate to our friends that she is in charge. That was to be expected. Recently, she has been obvious to the point of embarrassing me. When she has a girl friend over I am expected to serve them both. A couple of months ago while Karin was out of the room, her friend, Gail, said to me “I understand that when you do the housework, the only thing you are allowed to wear is a frilly apron”. I didn’t know that Karin had told anyone about that!

This has all been background. When we began exploring our FLR, I mentioned to my wife that I get really distracted by her beautiful boobs, and if she dressed a little more provocatively in public, that she would see that others would also demonstrate their appreciation. For a time Karen did not believe me. Finally she said something like “You say you want this FLR, but you are pushing me to do something that is a turn on for you, not for me.” I had to think about that one for a while. A couple of weeks later I said “I know that you enjoy attention from others. If you showed more cleavage, you’d get a LOT of attention and positive feedback”. She thought for a while and said “You have a point”.

Well, she bought a couple of tops that showed lots of cleavage, and arranged with Gail to go to a bar in another part of the city. That night when she came home (and it was REALLY late), she was excited. It turns out that several guys hit on her, and she enjoyed it a LOT. That started the ball rolling. Her wardrobe changed dramatically. Tops were more revealing, skirts shorter. Pants tighter! She began to wear revealing clothes to work, and within a week, one of her co-workers, Paul, had invited her for drinks after work. She told me all about it! Shortly after they sat at the bar, his hand brushed her leg. Karin said that she encouraged him by saying “I like”. One thing led to another, and although they did not get a room, Paul asked Karin if she would like him to get a room later in the week. She quickly agreed.

Karin informed me of all this, not asking if it was OK, just telling me. She also said “I plan to fuck him good.” As it turned out, that’s exactly what happened. While she was telling me this I could feel myself getting hard. She told me that she was going to dinner with Paul on Thursday, and that he would arrange for a room for them for after dinner. Thursday night late, around midnight, she returned and told me that he had come twice, once in her mouth, and once in her cunt. Karin then said “Let me show you.” She takes my hand and places it on her wet pussy. “Lick me clean!” she demanded. Of course I quickly complied. I was hard the entire time, not that I got to fuck her.

I asked Karin why she let Paul fuck her while I was limited to using my tongue. She replied “Well, to start with, he is bigger than you are, and I do still like a hard fuck. You’re just not all that good at it any more.” That really hurt!

Now here is what I’m asking for help about. I feel turned on thinking about Karin being fucked by other men, but I also want some of that action. Perhaps I am envious of Paul, but I am really mixed up right now. Is all this normal? Karin has said in no uncertain terms that she will not be limiting herself to Paul, but that she will not even ask for my opinion about who she sees. What should I do from here?

One For Sure
 
Sex is for the pleasure of the woman, and that is often achieved with the man’s tongue licking the woman’s pussy. That became the norm for us, and I am allowed to cum only when told to masturbate with Karin watching and given permission Most ridiculous statement. Sex is for the pleasure of the woman. Same as: sex is only for the pleasure of men, men have to have pleasure at fornicating, to fuck women as often as possible so women get often pregnant. Women do not have to have pleasure at the act, they only have to get children. She began to indicate to our friends that she is in charge. Recently, she has been obvious to the point of embarrassing me. She is not living FLR live-style, she has what Dale Carnegie calls: “The craving for the feeling of importance.” She bought a couple of tops that showed lots of cleavage, she went to a bar and that night when she came home (and it was REALLY late), she was excited. It turns out that several guys hit on her, her wardrobe changed dramatically. Tops were more revealing, skirts shorter. Pants tighter! She began to wear revealing clothes to work, This craving for the feeling of importance is that important to her that she takes on the image, or dresses like a **********.
 
comfort zones

I disagree wholly with enser (no surprises there!) and think that if you have an understanding of a female led relationship, and you certainly demonstrate that in your message, that you seem to be doing okay with it all!

The definitions and boundaries within a loving female authority relationship vary from couple to couple and you have been slowly finding yours. Knowing what I do about them (not as much as some and more than others!), and living by their general principles myself, I understand that your complicit agreement to being humiliated is in all likelihood a huge part of what turns you on, and of course a woman may well be "craving a feeling of importance" within a MUTUALLY AGREED FLR!!!!!! otherwise it's not worth the paper it's written on hey ;)

I also think that having encouraged your wife to dress as a hotwife, and her doing so (which by your own admission turns you on) seems like that is clearly another part of the progression of your relationship, and NOT the symbol of a wife dressing like a ********** (which is both a cheap shot and a gross generalisation!).

The issue seems to be one of how fast you progress your desires and how much you can fully embrace them. There's nothing wring with trying to put the brakes on a little to find your comfort zone OnrForSure, though whether or not you can put the genie back in the bottle (to borrow one of Custer's great sayings) is another matter.
 
Here we go again. I agree with the Goddess, you can’t push the genie back in the bottle. You had it and you had a wife. There are leaders and there are egoistic dictators that would never think of or consider the needs of others. [/font Dictators are not liked, they are considered a cancer and wars have been fought and are still fought to get them hanged.
MUTUALLY AGREED ????
Things are going quickly and perhaps beyond what I had expected. I am trying hard to deal with many conflicting feelings and having trouble.
My wife and I did the housework together, we shared not only the bed, we shared sorrows and fun. Goddess youshould try it once with yours husband, ask him what he likes.
Man you have to learn how to say “NO”. “NOMORE” things that you do not want to do, Do not want to do any more, you have to refuse to do.
 
enser said:
Here we go again. I agree with the Goddess, you can’t push the genie back in the bottle. You had it and you had a wife. There are leaders and there are egoistic dictators that would never think of or consider the needs of others. [/font Dictators are not liked, they are considered a cancer and wars have been fought and are still fought to get them hanged.
MUTUALLY AGREED ????
Things are going quickly and perhaps beyond what I had expected. I am trying hard to deal with many conflicting feelings and having trouble.
My wife and I did the housework together, we shared not only the bed, we shared sorrows and fun. Goddess youshould try it once with yours husband, ask him what he likes.
Man you have to learn how to say “NO”. “NOMORE” things that you do not want to do, Do not want to do any more, you have to refuse to do.

for once we agree enser! Nowhere do I suggest that anyone should go ahead with things they absolutely don't want to do. When someone acknowledges that they are trying to deal with conflicting feelings, this is normal! Sheesh I have them all the time; about work, my kids, my house! As for my husband, it is not your place to comment! I'll let him speak for himself save to say that ours is a loving, respectful relationship based upon trust, communication and a great deal of TENDERNESS! He may call himself a sissy from time to time but he is no pussy that's for sure and I adore him!!!!!!
 
Dominant Goddess and enser,
Thank you BOTH for your comments. They ARE appreciated. Getting comments on what I have said helps me work through things.
Enser, you may not agree with how Karin and I are living our lives together, but it works for us. I am much happier when I focus on making her happy. That is both in the bedroom and in public. I do not see her as a dictator. She is setting the direction in our marriage. I do still have influence. After all, I did mover her towards being a hotwife.

Goddess, Thank you for your support. I am turned on by being humiliated. Karin knows that, and there are times that she pushes the envelope! I do not want to put the genie back in the bottle, but there is part of me that is selfish (I guess) and wants my cock in Karin's cunt. It turns me on that Paul has cum there first, but I would like my cock to feel that wet pussy.

I so much want (and get hard when I think about) Paul fucking Karin, and I want to fully support that, but I need to get over these selfish feelings.

Oh, by the way, Karin told me that she is flirting with one of our neighbors. She said that he will be next. I'm really glad about that because after reading in this forum, I know that if she is seeing only one bull, she may form emotional attachments. I think more than one is best for all of us

One For Sure (When I set up this account I fat fingered the "One" and typed Onr)
 
Your wife has you on the right track.... you're doing well.

OneForSure,

I think your wife has you on the right track. In becoming your boss cuckoldress, she is properly exerting her rights and privileges as a married woman. To see this, I suggest reading the contributions by Eno to the thread that starts here:

http://www.cuckolds.com/forums/general-cuckoldry/11085-how-all-started.html

(if you haven't already). I also suggest reading the article by Susan Gower recommended by Eno, which is quite good:

The Science of Cuckoldry « Cuckold Couple

You are, I would say, doing well as your wife's submissive cuckold. Some feelings of embarrassment (for instance, when your wife's friend told you your wife had mentioned to her she requires you to wear only a frilly apron when doing the housework), and jealousy (regarding your wife's trysts with her lover — soon to become lovers, it sounds like) are to be expected, especially early-on — but you appear to be handling it well. I encourage you to hang in there.... I think you will find yourself gradually becoming accustomed to, and more satisfied with, your new role as your wife's cuckold — which is to provide the physical (i.e., housework and cooking) and emotional support she needs while she enjoys her lovers.

Best regards—

Custer
 
If you really want some action the just tell her that you need it every now and again. She can either give it to you on her terms, let you see another woman or you can divorce her for adultery!!
 
Denied cucks

Many denied cucks are seeking other cucks to suck them off for the release they need, many arrangements are even being made by their wives as a reward to the cuck for allowing the wife their freedom.
 
Thanks for the advice.

Custer, I will read the thread and article. I appreciate the encouragement! While I DO get embarassed, I enjoy pleasing Karin, and she likes to dominate me. I DO NOT like these feelings of jealousy. I am concerned that rather than fade, they will grow!

Paul, I've thought about tellinh Karin I need some, but would NEVER agree to let me see another woman, I would NEVER consider divorcing her, and so much of our relationship is about her dominating and denying me, I just don't think she would give in.

One For Sure
 
Safety concern

I'm asking...how much should I worry about STD's? :confused:

Karin says that Paul used a condom, but should I indicate that it's really important to do that? Telling Karin what to do never works for me, so I'll need to couch the issue in terms of what's the best thing to do.

It sounds like many on this forum do not worry, but perhaps I'm reading posts by the folks who are discussing their fantasy. I would have thought that if it's real life (like with me), there would be a real concern.:)

One For Sure
 
You should, of course, take this risk seriously....

OneForSure,

OneForSure said:
I'm asking...how much should I worry about STD's?

Your wife and you should, of course, take this risk seriously.

OneForSure said:
Karin says that Paul used a condom....

Good. Your wife chose a responsible man to make you her cuckold.

OneForSure said:
.... but should I indicate that it's really important to do that? Telling Karin what to do never works for me....

I suggest bringing it up with Karin in conversation, but don't belabor it or push it if she seems to be getting annoyed or impatient — partly for the reason you state, and also because, when she is with a lover, what she does will be up to her. When the action is in progress, you will have no influence over what happens.

OneForSure said:
It sounds like many on this forum do not worry....

You're right, there isn't much concern with STD protection around here.

OneForSure said:
....but perhaps I'm reading posts by the folks who are discussing their fantasy.

Some are, some aren't, I would say. "Truth ambiguity" is the nature of this as well as other anonymous forums.

OneForSure said:
I would have thought if it's real life (like with me), there would be a real concern.

Yes, you would think that. I suggest being concerned. A way to improve your wife's odds, therefore your odds, would be to take responsibility for making sure Karin always has several condoms in her purse. In addition to providing her with protection, this may also increase her love for you by causing her to realize you care about her, and are concerned about her need to avoid unplanned pregnancies as well as STDs. (If she isn't on effective birth control, e.g. the pill or an IUD, of course she should be — but these forms of birth control don't provide STD protection.)

Condoms are easy for you to buy, since you're a man, but Karin may feel somewhat awkward about buying them, since she's a woman. Thus, if you take responsibility for that it will — I would guess — increase the probability she'll always have them with her. This would include checking her purse to make sure she always has a sufficient number of them, and perhaps asking her to remind you when you should buy another box, if she needs more but you don't seem to have noticed her supply is low.

—Custer
 
I agree!

OneForSure said:
I'm asking...how much should I worry about STD's? :confused:

Karin says that Paul used a condom, but should I indicate that it's really important to do that? Telling Karin what to do never works for me, so I'll need to couch the issue in terms of what's the best thing to do.

It sounds like many on this forum do not worry, but perhaps I'm reading posts by the folks who are discussing their fantasy. I would have thought that if it's real life (like with me), there would be a real concern.:)

One For Sure

from a Dom woman's perspective (if it helps) I agree with Custer that you are right to take this issue seriously and have every right to raise it with your wife. My ownp oint of view is that fantasy bareback is great but that in real life, I would NEVER risk my health, that of my partner or risk any of the other issues involved in going bareback with strangers. My partner and I discuss this as a VITAL part of our negotiations and clarity. I have no right to play with his health even if I were inclined (which i'm not!) to play with my own. You have the same rights which are not the same as telling her what to do.

If she were to say (for instance) that she was willing to take that risk, then it would be up to you to find your own boundaries therefafter. We are all conscious adults after all...

Best of luck with all of your negotiations OFS,

~DG~
 
New developments

Dominant Goddess and Custer,

Thank you for your responses! I will discuss with Karin, and from the way things are going, that will need to be very soon!

There were new developments this evening, so here goes!

Tom, the neighbor I mentioned in a previous post called this evening saying he needed to borrow some tools. I said “Fine, come on over.” A few minutes later, the doorbell rang, Karin rushed to the door, opened it and said something like “Hi, handsome, you’re looking like you’re ready for action.” Tom saw me behind Karin, and was obviously taken aback. He stammered something like “Well not right now, maybe later.” to which Karin replied “If you don’t act when you have a chance, you may never get another one.” and walked away. I also need to mention that Karin was wearing a top with only the bottom 2 buttons buttoned, and skimpy shorts. I stood there red faced, :eek:and Tom had this shocked look on his face. :eek: I said “Let’s go to the shop to get those tools”.

As I was getting the tools, Tom said “Karin is really hot.” I replied “Well, I’ve encouraged her to dress to turn some heads.” :cool: “Well, with the way she talks some folks are going to do more than turn their head.” “Yeah” I replied, “but she’ll have lots of fun”. Tom looked hard at me. “Are you telling me that you’re OK with Karin fooling around? I would never think about suggesting Kristy (Tom’s wife) dress like that, talk like that and I would NOT be OK with her fooling around”. “Well,” I said, “you may have noticed that Karin is in charge in our marriage, and I’m doing whatever I can to allow her to enjoy herself.”

Well, the conversation continued. Tom was shocked, did not understand, and seemed to draw back. He saying things like “Why not encourage her to enjoy sex with you?” and “That’s not how things work at my house.” And “I just can’t get over this”. He ended it up with “I’ll give you a call at work tomorrow.”

Now, I just couldn’t bring myself to tell him that Karin doesn’t think I’m good in bed, or that I’m not well endowed (4 ½”). Karin obviously wants him, although it would be like her to make him wait since he did not jump at the chance tonight. I would rather not tell Tom more, but I get hard thinking about Karin and Tom fucking. What should I do?
 
Getting Involved

Here's a bit of advice and you can take from it what's useful. First, have a conversations that praise your wifes leadership of your house. Then remind her that good leaders are measured by the results, in this case the satisfaction of those she leads - namely you.
Let he know that while you are all about having her be satisfied and enjoying herself, demonstrating herself as a true woman in charge will extend beyond your door. (She was clearly testing this when she told the neighbor now or never at the door.)

Let her know that she should demonstrate her power by bringing men home to have them in the marital bed, and that she should make you sit in the closet and watch. That it would truly be demeaning for you to see her taken in your bed and for her to make you watch. You can let her know that if she is not yet sure enough of herself to deliver such a humiliation to you, you will wait untill she is better, but you look forward to her developing her control over men.

It will get you more involved, and you can continue to ask for what you want as a test of her ability to "flex" her womanly power. I would think that she would jump at the opportunity to "rub your nose" in it by making you watch.
 
Not the best idea since the invention of the light bulb, but....

OneForSure,

OneForSure said:
Thank you for your responses! ...

You're welcome — on behalf of Ms. Dominant as well, since she has not yet replied.

OneForSure said:
I will discuss with Karin, and from the way things are going, that will need to be very soon!

Excellent. Your wife is moving forward rapidly as your boss cuckoldress....

OneForSure said:
Tom, the neighbor I mentioned in a previous post called this evening saying he needed to borrow some tools. I said “Fine, come on over.” A few minutes later, the doorbell rang, Karin rushed to the door, opened it and said something like “Hi, handsome, you’re looking like you’re ready for action.” Tom saw me behind Karin, and was obviously taken aback. He stammered something like “Well not right now, maybe later.” to which Karin replied “If you don’t act when you have a chance, you may never get another one.” and walked away.

Hm.... that seems a bit like the sledgehammer approach. Most men, believe it or not, need slightly more subtlety than that — especially if it's a neighbor, and the woman's husband is standing behind her, and he has no idea what sort of agreement (if any) the two of you may or may not have with respect to this sort of thing.

OneForSure said:
.... Well, the conversation continued. Tom was shocked, did not understand, and seemed to draw back. He said things like, “Why not encourage her to enjoy sex with you?” and “That’s not how things work at my house.” And “I just can’t get over this”. He ended with, “I’ll give you a call at work tomorrow.”

Karin hit Tom cold pretty hard, I would say. Even if he were inclined to respond under other circumstances — say, meeting her in a hotel bar while out of town at a meeting — there is the detail of you being his neighbor. If he makes an enemy of you in a way that could be serious — perhaps very serious — you will still be his neighbor.

OneForSure said:
Now, I just couldn’t bring myself to tell him that Karin doesn’t think I’m good in bed, or that I’m not well endowed (4 ½”).

There's no need to belabor details like that with Tom. There's nothing he can do about the size of your cock. Besides, has it occurred to you or your wife that his cock may be even smaller than yours? In any case, Karin must think you have some redeeming qualities.... I mean, she married you, didn't she?

OneForSure said:
Karin obviously wants him....

Ah, you've identified the most relevant point. There is, however, a fly in the ointment. If Karin starts fucking Tom, how will Tom's wife respond to that? Clearly, Karin will sow the seeds for immediate intense dislike followed by long-term animosity between herself and Tom's wife, and quite possibly you as well for acquiescing and giving Tom permission to be unfaithful (as it sounds like you're going to do).

OneForSure said:
.... What should I do?

If I were you, I'd think carefully about what you're going to say when Tom "calls you at work" tomorrow. But, also keep in mind he may have said that to enable him to get out of what he obviously viewed as an awkward situation. This isn't the sort of thing most people can, or want, to discuss on the phone "at work."

You might also want to spend some time discussing with Karin the implications of this vis-a-vis Tom's wife. I hafta' tell ya', what she has in mind doesn't strike me as the best idea since the invention of the light bulb.

Suppose, on the other hand, Tom AND his wife were interested in some sort of sexual arrangement with you and Karin. Now, that would be a different matter....

—Custer
 
Custer,
Thanks again for the response. I appreciate your well thought replies.

Karin had flirted with Tom previously, and he had never borrowed tools from me before yesterday. Karin had told me about the flirting, and had said something about him being next, so I figure that he had responded favorably. I think that Tom was coming over to scope things out a bit more, or maybe to warn me about the way Karin was flirting. I'm not sure which.

It's true that I won't be able to say much at work, but I think Tom wanted to talk to me without Karin hearing. I am wondering what he'll say.

As far as Julia, Tom's wife, she is really submissive from what I've seen. It's amazing to see how much he dominates her. I know that Tom goes out most nights, since he has asked me to join him several times, and mentioned how often he goes out, and evidently Julia doesn't mind.

Thanks again for the advice!
 

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