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HI,

A number of women and men have asked me about my experience in this lifestyle. I thought this might be a good forma to tell you of mine and my husband’s Sam experiences, in hopes that it might help you.

I can only speak of my situation, but maybe it will give you some insight. First of all, my marriage has never been better or stronger. However, be clear in my situation my husband, Sam, did not want to participate or have sex outside of our marriage. His desire was to give me my sexual freedom and by that I mean his permission to have sex with other men and afterwards come home to him and not leave out any details it was such a turn on for both of us that we usually spent the rest of the evening in bed fucking like rabbits. lol

Something like this just did not happen overnight, but it took a lot of time for me to get use to the ideal. When Sam first suggested that maybe it would be fun for me to have sex with the pool boy, I was really pissed off because I could not comprehend that, on the one hand, he said he loved me and on the other he wanted me to have sex outside her marriage.


How in the world could you have both? Even though the thought did turn me on, and I am sure you understand that a woman wants sex as much as and I really think sometimes really more than a man. Nevertheless, I was in a dilemma as to whether he really felt that way or was it just a fantasy? One Big Fantasy?

While it was a great turn on for me to think about doing that, but I was very hesitant. I guess because I did not really believe he would continue to love me if I did something like that.

I also thought that if I had sexual relationships with other guys that would give him permission to have sex with other women. That would be the last thing I wanted. I know that seems selfish but that just happened to be my situation, your wife's situation, and yours may be different I just don't know.

I know for sure I have enjoyed multiple sexual relationships over the last 7 years and my marriage has never been better. Sam has never had sex with another woman, but he has watched me have sex a few times. Most times he might be in another room, or he will do video of it. Either way is a turn on for both of us.

Anyway back to the point, he talked about it over and over how great it would be for me to have sex with another man. As I said before is something that the more he talked about it the more I really wanted to do it.

One of the first things we did, which was not intimidating to me, was to place a personal ad in one of the online services. It read something like “a lonely housewife looking for an adventure, outside my marriage”. We did not use our real names but got tons of letters that I could answer. Sam knew everything and it was a huge turn on for both of us. It also kind of broke the ice.


Another thing that broke the ice for us was Sam would have me dressed up in sexy and somewhat revealing cloth and walked through either Wal-Mart or something like Home Depot, with him following. It's amazing the looks; I would get from other guys and even some girls. This was a small start but also a turn on and gave me trust in what my husband was telling me.

We also from time to time would go out to a club and dance on a number of occasions. I would sit at a table by myself and Sam would either sit at the bar or at another table. On a number of occasions guys would come up and ask to talk to me, and I ended up flirting with them and then buying me drinks.

On one occasion, I get the opportunity to dance with a guy. Sam, being my first, I had never held another guy close feeling another guy against me and knowing Sam was looking, and not getting pissed off, it was also a huge turn on for me to feel the guy get hard and push into me. Just another step in my sexual freedom.

After I was completely comfortable with the idea of having sex with another man Sam one Saturday morning told me that he would like for me to go to the club that night, by myself. I was really scared at first but with his encouragement, I said ok. I was also so turned on by the idea and at this point trusted him in what he was telling me. I was also so happy that he was letting me go by myself, I am 100% sure I would have never done anything with a guy if he had been there. Later that would change, but that took some time.

That evening after I had gotten dressed up in my best looking tight jeans and halter top, He said “Beth I want you to go and find someone that will either fuck you tonight or some other time, like when you got to know each other better”. He said he couldn't wait until I got home, so we could have glorious sex.


Well, to make a long story short I went to the club and met a guy that I knew from work. We danced and had a few drinks then he took me to a hotel and fucked the hell out of me. It was a night that I will always remember, not because of him but because of the sex that Sam and I had when I got home.

The most important thing, I believe in your case, is I would have never done that if Sam had been there.

Not at least for the first time. It was just too intense. Nevertheless, again that completely shattered the ice and for the first time in my life, I felt I had sexual freedom.

Be sure you understand and this is important, because I think that most wives may feel the same way that I do, she may never want her husband to have sex with another woman. If that should ever come up I would only suggest giving her assurance that's not what it's all about.

Tell her you just want her to have her sexual freedom, and that you love sloppy seconds. However, most important that it makes you happy, and that you are very proud of her.
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There are 1 million little things that you can do, but it’s one step at a time. It may take you a year or more to even get her to consider it. However, believe me once I was convinced it was not his fantasy but a real it has been certainly worth it.


Like I said my marriage has never been stronger or more exciting. I hope this has not been too long and helpful, that's one reason I joined this site.


Beth
 
What a great story it's so nice to read about people that are more like me and what i want. To many on here are way to far out for me and I venture to say most are made up stories. You two sound very real and I wish I could do what you are doing, I am like Sam in that I don't want another Woman mine is so hot and would be even more so if she were like you. I think what you do keeps him from cheating on you because it is such a turn on for him to have you fuck other men that he don't need to find a thrill eleswhere you are it. Whenever I feel like I need something eles I get on here read stories and hold out hope that my wife will come home some day and tell me there is a guy that has been flirting with her and she wants to go out with him.
She did so many years ago and I have told her I would like her to do it again with the right guy but I don't know if she would, she never gives me an answer.
Anway thanks for sharing your story, again it was nice to read about a more normal couple and not these stupid stories about things no normal couple would do posted by far out freaks .
 
Hi Ms. Beth,

Welcome to the forum!

msbeth said:
HI, a number of women and men have asked me about my experience in this lifestyle. I thought this might be a good forum to tell you of mine and my husband Sam's experiences, in hopes it might help you.

Yes! THANK YOU!

msbeth said:
I can only speak of my situation, but maybe it will give you some insight. First of all, my marriage has never been better or stronger. However, to be clear re. my situation, my husband, Sam, did not want to participate or have sex outside of our marriage. His desire was to give me my sexual freedom. By that, I mean his permission to have sex with other men....

Your husband Sam sounds very progressive.

msbeth said:
....and, afterwards, come home to him and not leave out any details. It was such a turn on for both of us that we usually spent the rest of the evening in bed fucking like rabbits. lol

That's important. Thank you for making that point.

msbeth said:
This did not just happen overnight; it took a lot of time for me to get used to the idea.

The posts on this forum, over time, suggest that's true of many of the married women who eventually make their husbands their cuckolds.

msbeth said:
When Sam first suggested that maybe it would be fun for me to have sex with the pool boy, I was really pissed off because I could not comprehend that, on the one hand, he said he loved me and on the other, he wanted me to have sex outside our marriage.

I think many married women respond in that way. My wife certainly did.

msbeth said:
How in the world could you have both? Even though the thought did turn me on, and I am sure you understand that a woman wants sex as much as and I really think sometimes really more than a man.

YES! THANK YOU for making this point also.

msbeth said:
I also thought that if I had sexual relationships with other guys, that would give him permission to have sex with other women. That would be the last thing I wanted. I know that seems selfish but that [was just how I felt about it]. ....

Well yes, certainly. As a self-respecting married woman, you of course do not want your husband out there fucking other women. I mean, it would look like you don't have him properly under control. This too is an important point.

msbeth said:
.... [Now] I have enjoyed multiple sexual relationships over the last 7 years, and my marriage has never been better.

Cool! Good for you.

msbeth said:
Sam has never had sex with another woman, but he has watched me have sex a few times. ....

And that, of course, is as it should be.

msbeth said:
Anyway, back to [my story]. [Sam] talked about it over and over, how great it would be for me to have sex with another man. As I said before, the more he talked about it the more I really wanted to do it.

It's very commendable that your husband persisted in ways that did not turn you off, but rather gradually turned you on to the concept of becoming his cuckoldress.

msbeth said:
One of the first things we did, which was not intimidating to me, was to place a personal ad in one of the online services. It read something like “a lonely housewife looking for an adventure, outside my marriage”. We did not use our real names but got tons of letters that I could answer. Sam knew everything and it was a huge turn on for both of us. It also kind of broke the ice.

Yes, I would think so. Did you respond to any of them? If so, how did you go about filtering out those you didn't want to go to bed with, and selecting those you wanted to fuck?

msbeth said:
Another thing that broke the ice for us was, Sam would have me dress up in sexy and somewhat revealing clothing and walk through either Wal-Mart or something like Home Depot, with him following. It's amazing the looks I would get from other guys and even some girls. This was a small start but also a turn on and gave me trust in what my husband was telling me.

Great! It's not amazing, though, that you got a lot of "looks." You are a gorgeous woman, for sure.

msbeth said:
We also went out to a club and danced on a number of occasions. I would sit at a table by myself and Sam would either sit at the bar or at another table, [and observe]. And, on a number of occasions, guys came up and asked to talk with me and I flirted with them. They bought me drinks.

Very good! That sounds like an excellent way to proceed. It's not at all surprising, of course, that you attracted men as an apparently-single hot-looking woman, as you are.

msbeth said:
On one occasion, I danced with a guy. Since Sam was my first, I had never held another guy close, felt him against me, and — knowing Sam was looking, and not getting pissed off — it was also a huge turn-on for me to feel the guy get hard and push into me. It was another step toward my sexual freedom.

Good, good.... you sound very responsive, and you responded well to your husband Sam.

msbeth said:
After I was completely comfortable with the idea of having sex with another man, Sam, one Saturday morning, told me that he would like me to go to the club that night by myself. I was really scared at first, but with his encouragement I said ok. I was also turned on by the idea, and at this point, trusted him in what he was telling me. I was also very happy that he was letting me go by myself. I am 100% sure I would never have done anything with a guy if he had been there. Later that would change, but that took some time.

Thank you for clarifying the close coupling with your husband that was needed, and which Sam supplied, to enable you to finally move forward, so to speak.

msbeth said:
That evening, after I dressed up in my best looking tight jeans and halter top, he said “Beth, I want you to go and find someone who will either fuck you tonight or some other time, like after you get to know each other better.” He said he couldn't wait until I got home, so we could have glorious sex.

So, you were on your way....


msbeth said:
Well, to make a long story short, I went to the club and met a guy I knew from work. We danced and had a few drinks, then he took me to a hotel and fucked the hell out of me. It was a night that I will always remember....

Great! You scored!

msbeth said:
....not because of him but because of the sex that Sam and I had when I got home.

Well, maybe it was just a little bit because of the guy you had hot, "forbidden sex" with at the hotel....?

msbeth said:
The most important thing, I believe, for others to realize is: I would have never done that if Sam had been there.

Here, you have made another important point.... that for you to cut loose with another man, your husband had to back off and trust you by yourself at the club. That's interesting.... I suspect this point isn't widely appreciated.

msbeth said:
At least, for the first time. It was just too intense. Nevertheless, again that completely shattered the ice and for the first time in my life, I felt I had sexual freedom.

Excellent! Good for you.

msbeth said:
Be sure you understand [this point], [because] this is important. I think that most wives may feel the same way I do. They may never want their husbands to have sex with another woman. If that should ever come up, I would only suggest giving her assurance that's not what it's all about.

Thank you again for stressing this point, Ms. Beth. That's an important aspect of the cuckoldress ethic.

msbeth said:
Tell her you just want her to have her sexual freedom, and that you love sloppy seconds. Most important, that it makes you happy and you are very proud of her. There are 1 million little things you can do, but it’s one step at a time. It may take a year or more to even get her to consider it. However, believe me, once I was convinced it was not his fantasy but real it has been certainly worth it.

Like I said my marriage has never been stronger or more exciting. I hope this has not been too long and helpful, that's one reason I joined this site.

Congratulations, Ms. Beth, for stepping up, stepping out and becoming a genuine cuckoldress. And, thank you again for your insights into how married women think about these things and how your husband guided you, finally, to acceptance. (And, your post is definitely not "too long." It is of very reasonable length. More important, it is the right length for you to say what you wanted to say.)

Best wishes to you and Sam—

Custer
 
Ms Beth

Thanks for the post. It's great to have a woman's perspective.
 
Outstanding post

I think you have posted one of the most intelligent, thoughtful and real posts I have read on one of the cuckold web sites. It is well worded, and scores a 10 in my book.

I have to say without hesitation, I would have no problem having my wife, and we are a real cuckold couple, read your post. It is so refreshing to see someone be open, and honest about the lifestyle. I love the way it came across so matter of fact.

Thank you very much, and please continue to post as I look forward to more of your words of level headed experience, insight, and wisdom.

Thank you Ms Beth:).
 
Cuckolding is not a Lifestyle

Dear Beth:
I definitely agree your post is one of the best I have seen. You have expressed perfectly everything about Cuckolding from a woman's viewpoint.
I have been studying Cuckolding for the past 30 years and my conclusion is that Cuckolding is not a Lifestyle. Rather I think that Cuckolding is a basic aspect of human nature and is a basic need in all normal Human Beings.
Also I think that if used correctly it is a powerful and effective way to ensure that a couple will have a fulfilling and loving relationship forever.
Because it would be too long to explain why I think that Cuckolding is a basic Human need, I will just explain in a basic way the most important points.
Basically Cuckolding is a basic human need because of three different aspects of Human Reproduction:
a) A Hormonal or Physiological basis of Cuckolding.
b) An emotional or Psychological basis of Cuckolding
c) Because the reproductive response in a woman is very peculiar and different from a man.
I would love to discuss with you how your story expresses pefectly every one of these three aspects.
Also with any of the other persons that write and share their experiences in this great forum.
Best Regards Alicia and Jorge
 
Alicia and Jorge,

You have made some good points. Regarding:

Jorge88 said:
I have been studying cuckolding for the past 30 years and my conclusion is, it is not a lifestyle. Rather, I think it is a basic aspect of human nature and a basic need in all normal human beings.

This view emerges, I would say, in:

"Sperm Wars: The Science of Sex," by Robin Baker, Ph.D. (1996, BasicBooks, 319 pp. [hardcover])

although Baker does not say it in so many words.

A detail: I would not go so far as to describe cuckolding behavior as "a basic need in all normal human beings." Rather, I would be more inclined to describe it more along these lines: "a basic need in a fairly large percentage of women, acknowledged as such in a fairly large percentage of men."

Best regards—

Custer
 
Well here we go

At the risk of sounding like a cynic, here I go.

The beauty in Ms. Beth’s post was it’s simplicity. The basic every day real life facts and observations. It was so real, but here we go in some extended babble of what makes a human brain do what it does????

Likening it to the thrill of a roller coaster ride. It is a fucking blast to get the rush of the ride, period. Let’s not cloud it with lessons of physics, friction, gravity, material evaluation, fear, adrenalin, and what amusement park that coaster is in.

I do understand some need to over think the phenomena but please, leave the beauty be in the broad strokes of this real woman’s explanations of what she feels on the ride.

Again no slight to anyone but, use the old adage, K.I.S.S., (keep it simple stupid)

Ms. Beth please continue to post as it is so nice to put a human face to the reality of cuckolding, if we wanted it analyzed we could go to a shrink or at least read another one of the multitude of posts trying to figure the who, what and why my life turned into this non traditional thing called cuckolding.

If I ruffled feathers, sorry but let’s let one of the best posts in a long long time stay what it is, real.

My2cents; Sit down do not stand, strap in, keep your arms inside the car till the ride comes to a complete stop, and ENJOY!!!!!!
 
Cuckolding is a basic need

Custer:

Thank you for the excellent reference.
Well I think that it is a basic human behavior for these reasons:
1) Marriage and Monogamy are relatively recent in human history.
So concluding that a Monogamous Marriage is the normal human behavior is wrong.
2) The closest we can get to natural human behavior would be very primitive human tribes. Or another indirect way would be the behavior of Bonobo Chimps (That are very close genetically to humans).
Neither of these exhibit monogamous behavior but rather very promiscous sexual behavior. (Cuckolding).
3) Cuckolding produces a very intense sexual excitement in the three parties involved. The Cuckoldress, The Cuckold and the Bull also.
So this alone indicates that this behavior must be hardwired in our brain.
(There is of course scientific evidence for this now).
So for all these reasons I think that Cuckolding is not a simple lifestyle or preference. Much less a deviation.
But rather it is a normal Human behavior.
Cuckolding of course has been branded abnormal by society and it's relatively recent social mores and rules.
This is unfortunate.
Thank you again for the great reference, and we would appreciate your opinion.
Of course we follow and enjoy your great contributions in other parts of this forum.
Best Regards
Alicia and Jorge
 
Mecca410:

Please forgive us for over-analyzing.
You are absolutely right. Beth's story was beautiful in its simplicity.
But it was also beautiful in that it expresses exactly what a woman feels and goes through in this hard and complicated process.
Yes her story is simple. But Cuckolding itself is not that simple.
I say it is not simple, because precisely the main objective of her letter is not simple enjoyment or sexual pleasure for those that read it.
But rather help for those women who are starting. Also for those women who are finding it difficult to take that complex and difficult step.
I (Jorge) of course understand her perfectly, because for Alicia this first step was extremely difficult and complicated.
So again please forgive us for overanalyzing. Our purpose was not to overcomplicate, but rather to make a simple point:
That Cuckolding is not something bad, nor is it a deviation.
But rather it is a simple and normal human behavior.
So in analyzing we are just trying to put forward scientific evidence that it is not something bad or deviant.
Of course we admire those like you that simply accept it, and need no convincing. That is good.
But some women, and some men need help in taking that step.
Beths letter is excellent because of this.

Best Regards:
Alicia and Jorge
And thanks Mecca410 for you contribution, we have of course enjoyed it also.
 
A macho man tries to own his wife and control who can be her friends - and is very jealous if she talks to men........maybe macho = insecure control freak.

When divorce became legal, thousands headed for the divorce courts to "escape marriage".
 
Some thoughts....

Alicia and Jorge,

Jorge88 said:
Custer: thank you for the excellent reference.

You're welcome. I agree; it's very good. The scientific version of Baker's book, if you're interested, is (apparently) "Human Sperm Competition" by Robin Baker and Mark Bellis. I say "apparently" because I haven't read it (it costs over US$200). It's been cited over 200 times, though, according to Google Scholar. That's pretty good for a scientific book.

Jorge88 said:
I think cuckolding is a basic human behavior for these reasons:

1) Marriage and Monogamy are relatively recent in human history. Thus, concluding monogamous marriages are normal human behavior is wrong.

2) The closest we can get to natural human behavior would be very primitive human tribes. Another indirect way would be to observe the behavior of Bonobo Chimps, who are genetically very close to humans. Neither of these tribes/species exhibit monogamous behavior. Rather, they exhibit very promiscuous sexual behavior (i.e., cuckolding).

3) Cuckolding produces very intense sexual excitement in the three parties involved: cuckoldress, cuckold, and bull. This alone indicates this behavior must be hardwired in our brains. (There is, of course, scientific evidence for this now.)

For all of these reasons, I think cuckolding is not a simple lifestyle or preference, much less a deviation [from normal behavior]. Rather, it is normal human behavior.

I agree with you on all of these points. I suggested the "slightly less-inclusive view" in my previous post because some women really do reject the idea of cuckolding their husbands. If the husband tries to gently and gradually "bring them around," they just get more-and-more upset and angry. In a sense, this seems consistent with a sentence near the top of p. 303 in Baker's book:

"Compared to men, women are incredibly varied in their sexual characteristics."

Note that prior to "Scene 36" which includes this sentence, the previous "Scene 35" (p. 288) is entitled: "Men Are All the Same" (!).

Jorge88 said:
Cuckolding, of course, has been branded abnormal by society with it's relatively recent social mores and rules. This is unfortunate.

Yes. This seems due, in large part, to the advent of patriarchal society, which originated (I gather) with the teachings of Aristotle. Patriarchy was subsequently adopted by what became three of the world's major religions: Judaism, Islam, and Christianity. (I'm not sufficiently knowledgeable to comment on Hinduism and Buddhism.) As you fully appreciate, I'm sure, a strong aspect of these ancient religions was that women were literally owned by their husbands. Another aspect was that since wealth and property were passed from fathers to their sons, men wanted to be confident their sons were indeed sired by them (and if a man couldn't be confident his daughters were sired by him, neither could he be confident his sons were).

Ergo, cuckolding by women of their husbands became socially "taboo." Now, as you also appreciate, I'm sure, two of the fundamental purposes of (seemingly every) religion are to perpetuate patriarchy and also to ensure the "historical values" of the past are carried forward to the present, thereby perpetuating patriarchy and, with it, the oppression of women.

As an aside: note that religious values change slowly so they don't lag too far behind contemporary values.... because if they didn't, almost everyone would come to view religion as irrelevant to their lives and to society. This change occurs very slowly, however. Arguably, something like a century is required for most religious "values and traditions" to change substantially. Much more time is required for some religious "values and traditions" to change.

In contemporary western society, of course, women are no longer "owned" by men. But, among many people, that ethic is still present just barely below the surface. Consider, for example, that in large organizations (corporations, the military, etc.), men are expected to keep their wives "under control." Consider also that in Islamic societies, women are to this day explicitly "owned" by their husbands (or, prior to marriage, by their fathers and brothers). [In connection with this, note that the so-called "War on Terrorism" is arguably, more than anything else, a "War For the Rights of Women." This is the issue that underlies everything else.]

These, in my opinion, are the main reasons cuckolding has historically been, and remains today, "socially unacceptable" despite there being no support for this view in the longer-term — i.e., evolutionary — history of the human species. There may be other reasons.

Best regards—

Custer
 
Alicia and Jorge,

The above line of thought was outlined in an earlier thread I initiated after a member posed the question: "Why is it that strongly-sexual women are thought of in derogatory ways as "sluts" (etc.), while strongly-sexual men are thought of in complimentary ways as "manly studs" (etc.)?" (The person who posed this seemingly-simple but actually complex, interesting, and highly-relevant question has apparently not followed up with subsequent posts.) See:

http://www.cuckolds.com/forums/cuckolds-news/13669-negative-views-female-sexuality-origins-i.html

That thread, however, degenerated into verbal combat with two forum members who appear to be religious fundamentalists.

Which reminds me of a joke:

An American, traveling in Europe, became friends with a European. As they enjoyed beers at a sidewalk cafe, he asked her:

"Why is it, here in Europe, you don't have all the problems with religious fundamentalists we have in the U.S.?"

His friend replied: "Because they all emigrated to America."

This, in turn, brings to mind a comment by Garrison Keillor (host of the long-running U.S. public radio show, "A Prairie Home Companion"):

"My ancestors were Puritans from England. They arrived here in 1648 in hopes of finding greater restrictions than were permissible under English law at that time."

—Custer :D
 
Excellent post!!! Thank you very much for it!! It's great to get a wife's perspective like that.
 
hi

hi msbeth, great tips. I'm sure these will be very useful to a lot of people on here.

how long did it take though from when Sam first mentioned it to when you finally went through with it, having sex with another guy? 2 years? less, more?

cucky
 
A very good question, it took a while. It was more of a process than anything else. By that I mean it started while having sex Sam, he would ask me " how do you think the pool boy would feel inside you?" or "think of me as, Joe, your friend at work do you like me fucking you" It made me so hot to hear those words.

I know I wanted to become a Slut for him, but was worried if he really ment the words. That process went on for maybe 3 or 4 months. Then Sam, with my agreement, put an ad on an online site, That say Wife looking for an outside lover. Now that was hot because we got tons of mail, and we would talk about the guy and the pictures they e-mail me. That went on for maybe 2 months.

Then we started going out to clubs and Sam sitting at the bar while I fluted with some guys. At that point, I was so ready to have my sexual freedom. I guess after I kissed a guy while dancing with him and Sam was watching that as well as watching the guy feel me up and not getting pissed off convinced me that he really wanted me to fuck other guys and come home and tell him about it. Then fuck like rabbits for hours.

So the process of convening me that he was really serious was like about 10 mouths.
I have talked to a number of other women that have their freedom as well, and it took them about the same amount of time. However, it did take a few up to a year but not very many.
 
hi

cool. that's not unbearably long I guess. I'm sure a lot of guys that have been married for years that would like a hotwife/cuckoldress could live with that.

I think the key is not to be overly forceful with it but to be more subtle and move at a pace she's comfortable with.
 

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