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Break ou the rulers....

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Found this tonight while surfing the web...How about it folks, lets hear the numbers!
If nothing else, it will be fun to do the measuring.


Get out your measuring sticks. Turns out, size may matter – only not in the way most people think.
Surprisingly, a woman’s ease of orgasm may boil down to her own measurements and not his.
New research from Kim Wallen, a professor of psychology and behavioral neuroendocrinology at Emory University, indicates that the distance between a woman’s clitoris and vagina may determine how easily she climaxes from sex alone.
Length and girth have long been considered when it comes to satisfying sexual pursuits. The Kamasutra of Vatsyayana explains “ideal” sexual unions along the lines of size.
Naturally, equal unions are considered best. And over the years, modern couples have questioned the adequacy of his size if sex is “off” or parts don’t fit well together.
But is it really her size that’s throwing things off?
Modern and early 20th Century research indicates that women with a distance of 2.5 centimeters between clitoris and vagina have the best chances of achieving orgasm from sex alone.
“Téléclitoridienne,” a term meaning “female of the distant clitoris,” was first studied last century. According to “Bonk: The Curious Couple of Science and Sex,” the term was coined in the 1920s by Princess Marie Bonaparte, the great grand niece of Napoleon. This psychoanalyst was considered a sex researcher in her own right.
Unhappily married to George of Greece, a latent homosexual, and suffering from anorgasmia (lack of orgasm), after a number of affairs, Marie worried that she was “frigid” and wanted scientific proof.
So she came up with an anatomical theory that women with the lengthiest distance span between their clitoris and vagina (that of more than 2.5 centimeters) were rendered incapable of climax during intercourse.
To prove her hypothesis, Bonaparte interviewed and measured 243 females in 1924 that were incapable of having an orgasm during intercourse. Working with doctors, she actually measured these women, finding that 21 percent of the sample fell into the téléclitoridienne category.
The 69 percent of women in her sample who could have orgasms during sex had significantly smaller distances between sex organs. These women, referred to as paraclitoridiennes, could almost always climax from sex.
Bonaparte also found a correlation between a woman’s height and the closeness of her sex organs. This was namely that shorter women tended to have shorter spans.
Wallen analyzed Bonaparte’s measurements with modern statistical techniques and found she just might be right.
Wallen estimates that the most easily attainable orgasms from sex are attributed to clitoris-vagina distances that are about the size of a thumb. Anything over that is likely to require a little more technical assistance, which it seems the vast majority of lovers will require.
In researching the matter himself, Wallen’s preliminary findings show that no more than approximately 7 percent of females consistently reach climax from sex alone.
 
Here are some comments and numbers on this subject excerpted from Baker (1996) which do not involve "clitoris to vagina" measurements.

From p. 177 in Chapt. 8, "The Climax of Influence:"

"Women differ considerably in their response to intercourse. Some nearly always climax during intercourse, some never do. These differences are an important part of the overall picture of human sexuality. Taking women as a whole, it is more common to fail to climax with a penis in the vagina than to succeed. On average, just over 60 percent of routine sex episodes (from the beginning of foreplay to the ejection of the flowback) involve the woman having an orgasm. Even when they do, she usually climaxes during foreplay (35 percent) or postplay (15 percent), not during intercourse itself. In fact, only 10 to 20 percent of routine sex episodes involve the average woman climaxing while the penis is in her vagina."

[Note: "routine sex," as used by Baker, means more-or-less regular intercourse between a woman and her partner.]

From p. 194, same chapter:

"So what is this link between infidelity and the frequency of [female] nocturnal and masturbatory orgasms if it is not simply sexual excitement? And why, if they are a response to anticipation of infidelity, are these orgasms more likely to occur just before sex with the partner than just before sex with the lover?"

"It is because whenever a woman anticipates sperm warfare [meaning, competition between the sperm of her partner vs. the sperm of a lover], she more often than not has some preference over who should win. Usually, that preference is for the lover, not the partner — otherwise, she would not risk all the potential costs of infidelity (Scenes 8 to 11). In this scene, just as in Scene 6, we have watched a woman who, in anticipation of sperm warfare, subconsciously prepared the battlefield to favor her lover's [sperm] army."

[Note: the "scenes" in Baker (1996) are subsections of the chapters.]

From p. 197, same chapter:

"These differences mean that on the whole not only does a partner encounter a stronger [cervical] filter than a lover, but he is also less likely to receive help in bypassing that filter. On average, the advantage enjoyed by a lover in sperm warfare is relatively large. When a woman is *not* being unfaithful, she helps her partner to place a large sperm army inside her on 55 percent of occasions. When she *is* being unfaithful, she helps him on only 38 percent of occasions, but she helps her lover on 65 percent of occasions — nearly twice as often."

"The really impressive part of a woman's strategy, however, is the way she manages to engineer a strong bias over sperm retention in favor of her lover without betraying any hint of infidelity to her partner. First, she keeps the frequency with which she climaxes during or after intercourse with her partner the same (22 percent of intercourses), whether she is being unfaithful or not. Second, her main weapon against her partner is to increase her frequency of masturbation and nocturnal [orgasms], but because these orgasms are secret, the change passes undetected by him. Third, her main weapon to favor her lover is to have fewer nocturnal and masturbatory orgasms before, and more bypass orgasms during, sex with her lover than with her partner. Yet again, her favoritism cannot be detected by her partner."

[Note: one can see how this seemingly murky "sperm favoritism" by a woman works by reading Baker (1996).]

Reference:

Baker, Robin, Ph.D. 1996. Sperm Wars: The Science of Sex. BasicBooks (A Division of HarperCollins Publishers), 319 pp.
 
Women's Orgasm

Well, All the statistical data is interesting. In the Grinch's post the lack of comntact with the clitoris is sighted, Which causes me to look into the history of man and how the primitive people mated. The 'face to face' commonly called Missionary position (for a definate reason) is not considered to be the most effective position for a womans pleasure by sociologists. Primitive prople very likely mated just as the animals they lived with, in what we would call 'Doggy' or 'Pony' position, meaning from behind. The distance away of the clitoris would make liittle diference because the man's testicals would be bumping and stimulating it.
Personally, I have wondered where the statistics have "lost their way" most of my life. If they were right, 50% of the 15 or more of the women i have had sex with would not have had an orgasm. In reality All 15 have consistantly had orgasms more than 50% of the timeAll had orgasms the first time, but long term, they didn't(of the 15, I have had 'long term relationships' with 4)Strange, that in the research sited by 'Grinch' there is no mention of the 'G' spot, located inside behind to the clitoris
 

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