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MP's cuckold sign shocks Portugal

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A costly gesture: Mr Pinho's "cuckold" insult lost him his job
Portugal's Economy Minister Manuel Pinho has resigned after making a rude cuckold gesture at an opposition MP.

Mr Pinho placed his index fingers on his head, imitating the devil's horns.

The gesture was directed at Bernandino Soares, leader of the Communist parliamentary group, who had challenged the government about a mine's future.

Mr Pinho's action came during a state-of-the-nation debate in parliament. The Socialist PM, Jose Socrates, said "nothing justifies this gesture".

"This was just an episode. One that shouldn't have happened and that affects the government's image, but which has now been corrected this way [with Mr Pinho's resignation]," he said.

Mr Pinho had been questioned about his handling of talks at the troubled Aljustrel zinc mine in the south of Portugal.

Finance Minister Fernando Teixeira dos Santos will take on his portfolio temporarily, until the general election on 27 September.
 

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Follow up on cuckolds

BBC NEWS | Europe | Cuckolds, horns and other explanations

Cuckolds, horns and other explanations

By Janet Williams
BBC News



It looks insulting - but what exactly does it mean?
It is never a good idea to make rude gestures in parliament. Especially if you are a member of the cabinet.

Angry and frustrated during an important debate, Portuguese Economy Minister Manuel Pinho decided to show an opposition MP exactly what he thought of him.

He put his hands to his head and pointed at him with his thumbs and index fingers outstretched.


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In Portugal, and many other countries, it was a highly insulting gesture. It implied that the opposition MP was a cuckold.

But what exactly is a cuckold?

The word derives from old French for a cuckoo ("cucu"). The females of some species of cuckoo lay their eggs in other birds' nests and leave them to bring up the offspring.


For she was wild and young, and he was old, And deemed himself as like to be a cuckold

Geoffrey Chaucer
So, with that whiff of unfaithfulness, the carefree bird gave us the word "cuckold", which came in the Middle Ages to mean a husband with an errant wife.

But there are more subtleties in that rude gesture. The word "cuckold" also implies that the husband is ******* of his wife's infidelities. And he might only find out on the arrival of a baby - palpably not his. Which takes us back to the cuckoo.

References to cuckolds abound in English literature. In centuries past, marital infidelity was good for laughs. Such as in Chaucer's The Miller's Tale, in which a young suitor comes up with the most convoluted scheme to entice his young lover away from her suspicious, elderly husband.

"For she was wild and young, and he was old, And deemed himself as like to be a cuckold."

Shakespeare loved cuckolds - many of his characters suspected they had become one. Cue anger, jealousy, murder and, of course, comedy. The word was also an excellent insult... "crooked-pated old cuckoldy ram" is one of the more colourful.

Failure in the bedroom

But that gesture - the hands to the forehead, finger and thumb outstretched. How has that become to mean "you are a cuckold"?

There are dozens of explanations.

One of the earliest comes from the Roman era.

Back then, returning soldiers were given horns, symbolising success on the battlefield. But the horns also came to imply failure in the bedroom, and that it was never a good idea to leave a Roman wife alone for too long.

A more common explanation is that a horned beast cannot see its own horns. And husbands are often the last to know about their partner's infidelities.



Berlusconi was "only kidding" when making this gesture in an EU photo
Whatever its origins, the link between horns and infidelity remains deep-rooted. But in some countries that gesture made by Mr Pinho it is a lot more insulting than in others.

In Britain, the word "cuckold" is old-fashioned. But youngsters still love to stick their fingers up behind their friends' heads in photographs, to make them look silly.

But in the Caucasus, any sort of "you have horns" gesture is staggeringly offensive, and can only be answered by violence.

In Italy, it is a very common gesture. Although it is definitely not polite, it does not usually end in a duel at dawn.

The BBC's Rome correspondent, David Willey, who has lived in Italy for many years, says making the horn-gesture - "fare le corne" in Italian - is understood throughout the Mediterranean.

"People here like expressing themselves with lots of body language, as well as verbally," he says.

"For example, there is a whole lexicon of hand gestures in Sicily, with a huge range of meaning."


It is a great thing to do if you want to start a fight

Francisco Almeida Leite
Political editor, Diario de Noticias
Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, always the joker, was caught on camera making a variant of the Portuguese horn-gesture behind the Spanish Foreign Minister, Josep Pique, in an official EU photograph of 2002.

Afterwards, he said he was "just kidding".

Whatever, it does appear that men in the more macho Mediterranean and Latin countries are more likely to be riled by the gesture.

Francisco Almeida Leite, the political editor of the daily newspaper Diario de Noticias in Lisbon, agrees: "This is a Latin country. If you say to someone, your wife did this, it is humiliating.

"It is a great thing to do if you want to start a fight."

But he points out that in Portugal, the horn-gesture had another meaning, which comes from bull-fighting.

At times, the matador almost makes fun of the bull, pulling it this way and that with a swish of his red cape.

So, says Mr Almeida Leite, Mr Pinho's gesture implied that his opponent was a lightweight, whose arguments were not worthy of consideration.

Whatever the meaning, it was not acceptable behaviour in the Portuguese parliament. Mr Pinho has been replaced by Fernando Teixeira dos Santos.
 
Personal aspect

My wife cuckolded me on our honeymoon while I was away in Barcelona at a bullfight. We hadn't consumated our marriage for 10 days of the honeymoon.

My wife had picked up this local guy in the bar and later he fucked her on the beach then in our bedroom. The following day in the bar the barman, who spoke practically no English, made a little sign of bulls horns to me. I smiled and told him yes I'd been to the bullfight the day before, he looked perplexed and did it again and pointed to my wife, I said no she hadn't gone she'd stayed behind, he looked frustrated and left it.

I knew nothing then of cuckoldry or a cuckold's horns, I wonder if he was really telling me my wife had presented me with the horns of the Cuckold the previous day?
 

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