Is This The Start Or The End?

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WOW! You have really had a time of it!
Glad to hear they were able to save your penis and hope all goes well with the wound specialist.
Doesn't really sound like your Wife is seriously considering giving up her sexual escapades. In fact, I'm willing to bet that after a few more weeks of going without because of this Chinese virus thing, she'll have worn out her toys and be climbing the walls for the real thing.
Especially since, in your current condition, you're even of less use to her than usual. Although, when you're up for it, she'll probably start giving your tongue a workout. :p
 
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Just an interjection to clear up grave misunderstandings:

Coronavirus isn't a 'Chinese virus'. It's been around for probably million of years. It isn't the flu or a cold. In fact, about 25% of the time you get symptoms of a cold, you've caught one of the four common coronaviruses that are already out there.

Look on a can of Lysol. It says something there I remember from when I was a kid, forty years ago: 'Effective against coronavirus'. This shit isn't brand new--it's just a variation of one of the older ones.

This coronavirus, COVID-19, is a mutation of another one. It was passed over from bats, most likely, because some Chinese like their meats freaky, didn't cook a bat well enough, or something similar. It incubates for up to two weeks before symptoms show, so people end up spreading it much easier than the flu.

It's also ten times more deadly than the flu, on average. Children seem to get much milder versions. If you're over 50, it's tougher. Over 70--it has a 15% mortality rate if you end up with the severe version.

Self-quarantining, sequestering, 'flattening the curve'--since it doesn't show symptoms for 14 days and during that time you could be spreading it, you hole up for two weeks so as to slow the spread. Most people who catch it will barely show symptoms. 80% or so. But if millions have it at the same time, that 15% who need to be hospitalized will overload the hospitals in your community and nation. You may think that 'hey, I'm healthy, I don't need to go to the hospital'...but what about transplant patients? Gunshot or accident victims? Dialysis patients? People who need medical for non-coroanvirus reasons won't be able to get it, because every intensive care bed will be filled with a likely elderly patient on a respirator to keep them alive.

Stay home. Stay healthy. Survive this. Help our nation and the world get through it, too, economically, too. Things are bound to get tough with so many restaurants and stores having less customers. Remember what FDR said, 'there is nothing to fear but fear itself'.
 
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Also--2wheel, I've been here since 2018, and been reading your updates since then. I'm grateful to you for them. I'm not married anymore, and while I'm 51, my ex is 17 years younger than me. She's a sex addict to a lesser degree than your wife, but unlike yours, she could never come clean and admit her many infidelities. She's also bipolar, so that had a lot to do with it. I suggested the cuckold lifestyle to her to help things, because I did truly love her...but her issues were too great, and we went our separate ways. Shit, I still love her. But we couldn't work out. I still hope, at my age, to meet another woman who will embrace the lifestyle, because my personality is all sub, all eager to watch, and a plain, normal relationship just won't cut it anymore. So I wish you and your wife the best, and hope both your health continues, coronavirus or not.
 
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willsrv said:
WOW! You have really had a time of it!
Glad to hear they were able to save your penis and hope all goes well with the wound specialist.
Doesn't really sound like your Wife is seriously considering giving up her sexual escapades. In fact, I'm willing to bet that after a few more weeks of going without because of this Chinese virus thing, she'll have worn out her toys and be climbing the walls for the real thing.
Especially since, in your current condition, you're even of less use to her than usual. Although, when you're up for it, she'll probably start giving your tongue a workout. :p
Thanks for your concerns.

She gives me whiplash, I attribute it to the cognitive issues resulting from her 5 strokes. even if she wanted to stop her sex drive is driven by the PGAD she lives with. I find the PGAD gives me mixed feelings, consider to not be in control of your sexual urges, to be in a constant state of arousal. We occasionally watch a 'real life' re-enacted TV show, "Sex Sent Me To The ER", there was episode where the female partner had uncontrollable orgasms, at 1st you'd think WOW, wish that was me, then realize that she wasn't able to function, an orgasm would hit her at any time, while driving, talking on the phone, cooking, walking the grocery aisles, etc.

HWR's PGAD is similar, but there is no overtly visual or physical to contend with. Bottom line is I agree with you she's not giving it up so quick and though she enjoys her toys, there's nothing like the real thing. You're right I'm not of much use, but my tongue works fine. By the way the urologist told me this week that the new non-invasive 'sound' ED treatment is shown to be 75-80% effective.

By the way don't listen to a specific politician who calls it a Chinese virus, Coronavirus has been around since before it had a name, this is just a new variation.
 
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cravingheruse said:
Just an interjection to clear up grave misunderstandings:

Coronavirus isn't a 'Chinese virus'. It's been around for probably million of years. It isn't the flu or a cold. In fact, about 25% of the time you get symptoms of a cold, you've caught one of the four common coronaviruses that are already out there.

Look on a can of Lysol. It says something there I remember from when I was a kid, forty years ago: 'Effective against coronavirus'. This shit isn't brand new--it's just a variation of one of the older ones.

This coronavirus, COVID-19, is a mutation of another one. It was passed over from bats, most likely, because some Chinese like their meats freaky, didn't cook a bat well enough, or something similar. It incubates for up to two weeks before symptoms show, so people end up spreading it much easier than the flu.

It's also ten times more deadly than the flu, on average. Children seem to get much milder versions. If you're over 50, it's tougher. Over 70--it has a 15% mortality rate if you end up with the severe version.

Self-quarantining, sequestering, 'flattening the curve'--since it doesn't show symptoms for 14 days and during that time you could be spreading it, you hole up for two weeks so as to slow the spread. Most people who catch it will barely show symptoms. 80% or so. But if millions have it at the same time, that 15% who need to be hospitalized will overload the hospitals in your community and nation. You may think that 'hey, I'm healthy, I don't need to go to the hospital'...but what about transplant patients? Gunshot or accident victims? Dialysis patients? People who need medical for non-coroanvirus reasons won't be able to get it, because every intensive care bed will be filled with a likely elderly patient on a respirator to keep them alive.

Stay home. Stay healthy. Survive this. Help our nation and the world get through it, too, economically, too. Things are bound to get tough with so many restaurants and stores having less customers. Remember what FDR said, 'there is nothing to fear but fear itself'.
I agree.
 
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cravingheruse said:
Also--2wheel, I've been here since 2018, and been reading your updates since then. I'm grateful to you for them. I'm not married anymore, and while I'm 51, my ex is 17 years younger than me. She's a sex addict to a lesser degree than your wife, but unlike yours, she could never come clean and admit her many infidelities. She's also bipolar, so that had a lot to do with it. I suggested the cuckold lifestyle to her to help things, because I did truly love her...but her issues were too great, and we went our separate ways. Shit, I still love her. But we couldn't work out. I still hope, at my age, to meet another woman who will embrace the lifestyle, because my personality is all sub, all eager to watch, and a plain, normal relationship just won't cut it anymore. So I wish you and your wife the best, and hope both your health continues, coronavirus or not.
HWR had 1 infidelity during our 'non hotwife' years that I'm sure of. She denied it, then admitted it, then recanted. Now we're on a whole new level. I consider it a miracle we got here. Think about how few men would engage in this, how few women would engage in this, the low percentage of an intersecting axis, AND actually making it a reality. If I were ever to again be in the position of 'seeking' another wife, this lifestyle would be the driving factor for selection, but like a needled in the haystack, what would be my success?

Thank you for your concerns.
 
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2wheel said:
Thanks for your concerns.

You're welcome.

2wheel said:
She gives me whiplash, I attribute it to the cognitive issues resulting from her 5 strokes. even if she wanted to stop her sex drive is driven by the PGAD she lives with.

I understand the cognitive issues as my Wife also suffered a stroke (in childbirth) that affects her memory, especially short term. We often have the same conversation repeated numerous times in the space of an hour, sometimes less. Luckily, she doesn't suffer from PGAD- her sex drive is high enough as it is! As I am now experiencing ED more often than not, having a perfectly functional tongue is a good thing!


2wheel said:
By the way the urologist told me this week that the new non-invasive 'sound' ED treatment is shown to be 75-80% effective.

More on this, PLEASE!


2wheel said:
By the way don't listen to a specific politician who calls it a Chinese virus, Coronavirus has been around since before it had a name, this is just a new variation.

I don't go by politicians, I go by what the medical community originally called it and the historical naming of diseases according to the geographical area it was discovered or originated: Spanish Flu, German Measles, West Nile Virus (which is a variation of Japanese Encephalitis), etc. As this strain of Coronavirus was originally referred to as the Wuhan Chinese Virus, that is what I refer to it as.
If the next variation of Measles originates in Hoboken NJ, that's how I'll be referring to it: the Hoboken Measles.
 
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Monday 3/23 HWR's RSD flare-up from her failed gangbang is almost gone. The PGAD has now taken front seat. Being in lockdown and the concern for CV19 has put every part of our lives on hold, like you. Remember she has Lupus, though in remission, which is an autoimmune system deficiency, so being immune compromised we're taking no chances. And for the record the drug that was supposedly pushed thru FDA approval, hydroxychloroquine (brand name Plaquenil) has been part of her medication regimen for 20+ years having been approved by the FDA in 1955.

She's been in phone contact with Mr. commuter, the bartender, who is now on 'furlough', Mr. commuter's work associate and Mr. commuter's black colleague. Some have contacted her, some she has contacted. So much for her considering giving up hotwifing. And of course her bestie, Gayle, who has been in CT for the last few weeks, visiting family as she's a new grandma

Since contact is off the table she's been masturbating several times a day. I love her orgasms and have been enjoying them as much as she has. Though she likes me to watch when she's fucking she seem to want to masturbate in private only allowing me to watch under duress, this is also a new development as she generally didn't mind me watching. She's not subtle about it, into the bedroom telling she be out in a while and shuts the door. But it's still so surprising that she'll let me watch her fuck and suck anyone but not masturbate. Boggles the imagination.

Not sure if she's online during her 'alone time'. I'm not very techie but offered to try and setup a video line for her to one of her regulars thinking it would be fun for her. The video might have been fun but the argument the ensued wasn't. So after getting my ass chewed out, figuratively, I dropped the idea.

Anyway I'm still not 100% and even if I were I can't take the place of either her toys or her partners. ED is my enemy. But there is hope, "Gainswave", high frequency, low-intensity soundwaves to improve blood flow to the penis. My MD says it has been 75%-80% effective. But I still have hurdles to overcome before I'm a candidate.

So we wait until CV19 has passed to resume our activities.
 
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Glad to hear you are both on the mend. Thanks for the info about "Gainswave", I'll have to look into it.

Since she's into toys, have you ever tried using a strap on with your Wife? If not, that might be a way for the two of you to share some "quality time" together until people can start interacting closer than from six feet away again.
You can have whatever size penis she is in the mood for, not worry about it going soft and last as long she needs. Well, at least until you collapse from exhaustion! :D
 
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willsrv said:
Glad to hear you are both on the mend. Thanks for the info about "Gainswave", I'll have to look into it.

Since she's into toys, have you ever tried using a strap on with your Wife? If not, that might be a way for the two of you to share some "quality time" together until people can start interacting closer than from six feet away again.
You can have whatever size penis she is in the mood for, not worry about it going soft and last as long she needs. Well, at least until you collapse from exhaustion! :D
Years ago I got her a ' Venus Butterfly'. She didn't like the harness. She also never wore garters. Same reason. Of course that was her wearing not me. That being said I've come to understand that the harness is distracting for her. What do I know?

So I had looked into a sleeve. You insert yourself into the sleeve and wrap a band around you scrotum to hold it on. Problem is if you can't get hard you have nothing to insert. But I heard and saw a photo of a different sleeve. (Note these a primarily for size enhancement not ED) It was so designed that you squeeze it expelling the air, then put it over the head of your penis and release, the vacuum supposedly sucks you in and it remains there by vacuum, doesn't make a difference whether you're hard or not. Bonus, no harness. But after a lot of internet research I didn't find it nor did the poster of the toy respond to my request for the source.


Yes I'm sure that might help short term and maybe even long term. Of course I can't use it until I've completely recovered. I have no idea how she would respond to it but I'm willing to try.
 
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2wheel said:
... That being said I've come to understand that the harness is distracting for her. What do I know?

Maybe you could try doing some role play and dress up in character, say like you're a Doctor and get some "scrubs" to wear to cover the harness while you give her a thorough check up.
Maybe something as simple as wearing a pair of boxers over the harness might be enough to make her forget it's there or maybe blindfold her so she doesn't see it and she can fantasize her favorite actor or whatever is doing her.


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So I had looked into a sleeve. ....
Yes I'm sure that might help short term and maybe even long term. Of course I can't use it until I've completely recovered. I have no idea how she would respond to it but I'm willing to try.

No, you definitely don't want to be sticking yourself in a sleeve or anything that could impact your healing. Even if you do your best to clean it as close to sterile as possible, once it's on and moisture starts to build up in it, it's just an incubator for whatever bugs are about.
Best of luck finding something that works for both of you until people can get together again.
 
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willsrv - thanks for the response
 
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2wheel, just checking up on you and your wife. Wow, sometimes it seems that you can't catch a break. Anyway, I see that you both are slowly coming around, as with you I have been laying a little low in the weeds myself until this situation improves. GTR
 
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gatorrdw said:
2wheel, just checking up on you and your wife. Wow, sometimes it seems that you can't catch a break. Anyway, I see that you both are slowly coming around, as with you I have been laying a little low in the weeds myself until this situation improves. GTR
Thanks.

I also feel that we live behind the 8 ball

We are only leaving the for needs not wants. Food & medical
 
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Monday 3/30, this past week was another masturbation week. The exception was Wednesday 3/25, HWR must have been extra horny as she actually came to me for sex, almost a red letter day as I can't remember the last time she came to me. Since I am not fully recovered my dick was off limits for both of us. Even if I was OK the likelihood of getting into her was slim to none. Anyway she was ready when she called me into the bedroom. She was naked, so often I've seen her this way but the scenario is waiting for another guy to fuck her. She has Big John, one of her glass dildos and lube all ready to. I stripped anyway, for effect I think.

She starts to use Big John on her clit and asks me to lube up the glass dildo, she says plenty of lube, I did as instructed. I slowly slid it into her, she tells me deeper, in all the way it slides. I lean over and kiss her, her #1 turn on and it shows as she's breathing hard and faster and gyrating her lower body. I suck on a nipple, it's like a switch as she tells me to fuck her with the dildo. Orgasm #1, 10 minutes.

She tells me to wait a sec and turns Big John off. I obey.

In a few minutes I go back to fucking her with the dildo as she returns Big John to her clit. She tells me to rotate the dildo, I do as she instructs and go back to sucking a nipple. Orgasm #2, 5 minutes.

Again she tells me to wait a sec and turns Big John off.

A minute or so later I go back to fucking her with the dildo as does she with Big John, I make sure to hold the head of Big John and the dildo transferring the vibrations to the dildo. Orgasm #3, 2 minutes. I hold on for dear life as she's in the throws, literally.

She says enough, I don't listen and go down on her licking her clit while fucking her with the dildo. The tells me to just wait a few minutes and tries to push me away, I continue, her protest turn to moans. A minute later is Orgasm #4, 2 minutes.

As soon as the waves subside I go back to her clit she again wants me to wait I don't and continue. Orgasm #5, 1 minute.

I try to kiss her, she pushes me away saying the lube tastes terrible. I didn't think so as it was flavored lube and mused to myself that she's taken gallons of cum in her mouth and is pushing me away because of lube. It's OK.

I give her a few minutes reprieve then I go back to her clit, she tells me she lost count but only 1 more. Orgasm #6, 3 minutes. I hold as she squirms all over the place.

Then we were done. I was a wonderful sexcapade, they only drawback was my lack of orgasm.

Friday 3/28
Back to our 'incarceration'. She continues to masturbate and shuts the door behind. So I decided to broach the subject.

ME: "What's the deal with closing the door?"
HWR: "I don't know."
ME: "Sure you know, you're just not sayin', c'mon give it up. What's the deal? Is it because you're sexting or video calling the guys?"
HWR: "The guys? You make it sound like they're part of our friends circle."
ME: "They're more, honestly they're part of our life aren't they?"
HWR: "That's kinda fucked up."
ME: "Yeah it is but so is you being a hotwife."
HWR: "What's so fucked up about that?"
ME: "You don't really think it's normal or run of the mill do you?"
HWR: "Well there's Gayle, and Carol & Eileen almost. I'd say it's kinda mainstream."
ME: "Let's do some math, including you that's 4 out of how many women, men & couples do we know? Hundreds, so the percentage is probably less than 1% of 1%, if that."
HWR: "That's where your argument falls apart. we don't know what goes on in anyone else's bedroom do we. Just look at the people that we associate with on this block, for all we know Matt & V, Dick & Heidi, Frank & Maureen, are into playing like we do and then there's Nat, Maxine & Barry, you don't think Barry is just there to take care of Nat do you?"
ME: "You have a good point. Let's get back to my question."
HWR: "I don't remember what that was."
ME: "You shutting the door when you masturbate."
HWR: "Oh yeah, I don't know why."
ME: "Full circle. Let's do this differently."
HWR: "OK."
ME: "Are you on the phone with anyone while you play, sexting or video chatting?"
HWR: "Sexting, sometimes, video, absolutely not, and any sexting are picture less. I really don't want to talk about this."
ME: "I know you don't but I love to watch you masturbate and cum and I feel left out when you close the door."
HWR: "Masturbation is a solo act that makes you an intruder."
ME: "So is fucking but I'm not an intruder."
HWR: "That's different."
ME: "No it's not."
HWR: "I think it's because I don't want you to feel bad as I'm on the phone. I'm sparing your feelings."
ME: "You're kidding me right, you're sparing my feelings when you're on the phone playing but not when you got someone else's dick in you."
HWR: "yeah I guess so."
ME: "Truth, time. Are you getting any emotions and you don't want me to hear or see what saying to them?"
HWR: "Absolutely not. If I were they'd be history, that is something our relationship will not tolerate."
ME: "OK, please don't shut the door. My feelings are secure, no need to worry about sparing them.
HWR: "Done."

She got up from the chair went into bedroom, leaving the door open, striped, got on the bed and went to town.
 
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Glad to hear you got to share some intimacy together for a change and are making some headway about the door closures.
Hopefully she will be enlisting your assistance more often!
 
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willsrv said:
Glad to hear you got to share some intimacy together for a change and are making some headway about the door closures.
Hopefully she will be enlisting your assistance more often!
Yesterday, again. Eureka!
 
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Keep up the good 'work '!
Hopefully, you'll be healed up enough soon so you can enjoy some stimulation yourself.
 
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It's Monday 4/6. HWR gives new meaning to the term chronic masturbator. Anywhere between 3-6 times a day. She's no longer shutting the door. I suggested that maybe she wants to bring a few toys out into the great room so she can enjoy herself while we watch TV. She was reluctant, that she's more comfortable in bed.

I was again the recipient of her horniness last Monday 3/30. I started out between her legs and kissing her to get her in the mood. I'm still amazed at how aroused kissing gets her. I licked her body all the way to down to her magic pussy and licked her to orgasm. She did give instructions to lick around her clit. I'm funny about instructions, it's all about how it's said, I'm sure you guys understand. If it's about what I'm doing wrong, I'm not with it, if it's about doing better I'm OK, if it's about giving more pleasure I'm 'on it'. Anyway this time I was 'on it'. So I followed her instructions (which is, by the way, rare for us both) she had her 1st orgasm of the day. I moved to again to continue kissing and giving her nipples a little attention. I repeated my licking back down and licked her to another orgasm using the suggestions she made.

When it subsided I took lube and lubed up my finger and slide it into her magic pussy as she placed Big John on her clit. Orgasm #3. I thought she'd gyrate me of the bed. After her plateau period I went at it again with my finger & her using Big John until orgasm #4.

She told me that's enough for now. I 'convinced' her she had 1 more in her. And rubbed her clit gently as I tried to talk her into it, in moments I no longer needed to convince her as she was asking me to make her cum. I obliged with #5.

As she recovered she said she wanted to rub my cock but was afraid of hurting me. I'm not yet fully recovered. I tried something. I used Big John on the head of my cock and within 2 minutes I was cumming. The 1st time in months, even ejaculating on her stomach. She rubbed my cum into her.

I got her a wet washcloth and she wiped her pussy of lube.

As a bonus for everyone I was able to get a photo of her magic pussy. This is immediately after 5 orgasms. By the way it's seen 1 child, several dozen different toys over hundreds if not thousands of uses and hundreds of cocks and thousands of couplings. And it's 67 years old.

Notice her red nails, she calls them FMR, "Fuck Me Red". In my experience the redder they are the hornier she is at the time she gets them done. This was shortly after she told Mr. commuter that she'll try gangbang again.

the magic.jpgSunday 4/5 HWR headed into the bedroom, I had a pretty good idea why, it's become a regular thing. I asked if she'd like me to join her. I don't think it came out exactly as she wanted but once said it can't be unsaid and we all know first comment are generally the most honest.
ME: "How about I join you?"
HWR: "What for, you can't fuck me anymore so I'd rather use a dildo."
ME: "That's harsh."
HWR: "I didn't mean for it to come out that way."
ME: "Make sure brain is engaged before putting mouth into gear."
HWR: "You're right I'm sorry."
ME: "You can be really mean sometimes."
HWR: "I'm sorry, let it go"

She's right of course. ED is cruel. Though I can fuck her, but it's always sloppy seconds. Yeah we tried a dildo followed by lube to simulate ss, I guess there's nothing like the real thing.
 
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Tuesday 4/14. Well another week of self-imposed incarceration. Another week of HWR's continuous masturbation. Sorry to say it can get kinda boring, the same old same old. She's using the same dildo and vibe, same position, missionary, same location, in bed. On Wednesday I suggested that she may want to change it up. She reminded me in no uncertain terms that she "Jill's off for her pleasure not mine". First time I'd ever heard her use that term.

Mid-afternoon Thursday she apparently took my suggestion. She came to her easy chair in the great room with a towel, a different dildo & a different vibrator. She striped, laid down the towel, sat down, spread her legs and masturbated. It was nice to see she took my suggestion, but not nice the way she 'put me in my place', it could have, should have gone completely differently. As usual she was giving her pussy a good workover and I heard the sound of leaf blowers, the landscapers were busy doing our house, and we have open blinds in the great room. I mentioned they were here, she said she heard them and if I didn't care neither does she. I told her to continue. By the way the community has a strict rule on landscapers, if they look into a window they're unemployed, YES, that rule has been enforced, also I figured chances are they can't see in anyway as we have 'coated glass' windows. My attitude is, if you take a peek "have a good look & enjoy it".

Anyway several orgasms later she told me that I can lick her to another if I wanted. I got on my knees between her legs, I had my phone in my hand in an effort to sneak a pic, she told I don't need my phone, I told her sorry, force of habit and put it down. Photo opportunity gone. I did lick her to another orgasm, when it subsided she just sat there with her hand on her pussy gently petting it.

If you've read our story you know she's crazy about photos. While cleaning out my desk (a lot of time on my hands) I came across a photo of us, circa 1995-2000, I can't actually date it, I cropped to her image, nobody here is interested is seeing me.
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