Non-monogamy gaining social acceptability...

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The concept of mutually agreed-upon non-monogamous marriages — if not necessarily cuckold husband / hotwife marriages, per se — seems to gaining social acceptability. A new website has been established for married couples who openly (not secretly) seek sex partners outside their marriages. See:

“Is there such a thing as ‘ethical cheating’?”

by Katherine Rosman

New York Times, 26 July 2015,

here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/27/fashion/ethical-cheating-open-minded-dot-com.html?_r=0

(or, google the headline).
 
Slowly Custard....slowly. Though we've seen a rise, and signs, that more people are getting onboard (through articles, scenes on TV and movies), I still don't think this is the subject you just openly admit to being a part of when you're having a beer or two with the neighbors in your backyard. We've come some distance, but much has yet to be done. Acceptance is very much still in its infancy, and that by no means suggests it's a safe topic or discussion just yet. One only needs to conjure up the nightmare that some have gone through for being outed so-to-speak to see that 2015 is not yet the safe haven we one day wish to see. For now, in the majority of instances, this remains a time where you do what you do, privately, and hope to not get caught, and draw support from either someone with equally liberal views in the real world, or online through forums.
 
Ethical is about being right (not wrong) in the eyes of the beholder

We've been married for 27 years and he'd been pestering me to do it with Black guys instead of him since we were on honeymoon, so when I started cuckolding my husband nearly 19 years ago is was ethical in his view.

The next test was when we told our relatives and friends about 7 years ago. We'd been very careful and kept it secret up until then but the increasing number of near misses convinced us that it would be better to tell everyone rather than wait to be caught. Although my father was not best pleased everyone's main concern was that we were heading for a divorce so they we quite happy when we told them that I'd been cuckolding him for over 10 years already and because we were enjoying it so much it was the last thing on our minds. We didn't go into detail but this gave me the freedom to meet guys openly and bring them home so it soon became common knowledge that it was Black guys I was Cuckolding him with. We didn't take a vote on it but no one has openly criticised us and although a few of Rob's friends do tease him in public in private most are either curious to find out what goes on or in the case of my close friends several told me that they wished they were brave enough to do it to their husbands. So since it was obvious that my friends stayed over night it was rumoured that the we must all be in the same bed so it was necessary to let everyone know that my husband moved into the spare room when I had someone staying over and of course I advised my friends to make sure it was what they really wanted before doing anything and to make sure that there husbands were happy for them to do it with other men instead of them.

So as far as our relatives and friends are concerned it is ethical for me to Cuckold my husband.

So on a personal level it can and will be see ethical for couples but I doubt that it will be seen as ethical by everyone collectively - that is "the general public" because although they might agree on it for themselves or their friends they are not going to stand up in public and be counted.
 
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Thanks for your post, Ms. KarenMWSlut4Blacks. Good to hear from you again!

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
Ethical is about being right (not wrong) in the eyes of the beholder.

Ain't that the truth...

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
We've been married for 27 years and [my husband had] been pestering me to do it with black guys instead of him since we were on our honeymoon, so when I started cuckolding my husband nearly 19 years ago, it was ethical, in his view.

Nice...

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
The next test was when we told our relatives and friends about it, about 7 years ago.

That was very bold. Arguably, though, the best way to increase the sexual liberation of women, through broader recognition of the "cuckold husband / hotwife" style of marriage, is to do exactly that — tell your friends and relatives that's how you live, and treat it as totally normal and legitimate, and decline to be intimidated by their expressions of disapproval.

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
We'd been very careful and kept it secret up until then, but the increasing number of near misses convinced us that it would be better to tell everyone rather than wait to be caught. Although my father was not pleased...

I would imagine that's an understatement (just guessing)...

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
...everyone's main concern was that my husband and I were heading for a divorce, so they we quite happy when we told them I'd been cuckolding him for over 10 years, already, and because we were enjoying it so much, divorce was the last thing on our minds.

So, your friends and relatives felt the "bad outcome" of you regularly taking young black men as lovers was better than their supposed alternative "bad outcome," which was you and your husband getting divorced. That's very interesting...

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
We didn't go into detail, but this gave me the freedom to meet guys openly and bring them home so it soon became common knowledge that it was Black guys I was cuckolding my husband with. We didn't take a vote on it, but no one has openly criticised us and although a few of Rob's friends do tease him in public in private most are either curious to find out what goes on or, in the case of my close friends, several told me they wished they were brave enough to do that to their husbands.

Ah... so it became apparent that many of your woman-friends were aspiring cuckoldresses. It sounds like the only thing holding them back was, their husbands aren't bold enough to come right out and tell them they want that, like your your wanna'-be-cuckold Rob did, in your case...

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
Since it was obvious my lovers stayed overnight, it was rumoured we all must sleep in the same bed. It was necessary to let everyone know that my husband moved into our spare bedroom when I had a lover staying over.

Clarification was reasonable...

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
...and, of course, I advised my woman-friends to make sure it was what they really wanted before doing anything, and to make sure their husbands were happy for them to [start fucking] other men.

All good words of advice to your aspiring-cuckoldress woman friends...

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
So, as far as our relatives and friends are concerned, it is ethical for me to cuckold my husband.

Bringing it out in the open and treating it as totally normal has gone a long way for you and your cuckold...

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
On a personal level, it can and will be seen as ethical for couples, but I doubt it will be seen as ethical by everyone collectively - that is, by "the general public," because although they might agree on it for themselves or their friends, they are not going to stand up in public and be counted.

The need to be seen as conforming to societal and religious expectations is strong...
 
Custer Laststand said:
Thanks for your post, Ms. KarenMWSlut4Blacks. Good to hear from you again!

Ah... so it became apparent that many of your woman-friends were aspiring cuckoldresses. It sounds like the only thing holding them back was, their husbands aren't bold enough to come right out and tell them they want that, like your your wanna'-be-cuckold Rob did, in your case...

No quite - since it because common knowledge that I was cuckolding my husband several have been pestered to let their husbands watch them doing it with a Black guy - so it is something the husbands fantasize about - presumably when they are masturbating.

BUT it is a different thing to actually do it and that is where there is a lack of trust. It never bothers me to know that I'm often referred to as a Black cock slut when my husbands friends tease him and it is no surprise for me to find out that their wives are wary when these same guys pester them to do it with Black too.

If a wife and mother (in one case grandmother) is going to do it with another guy she needs to be sure that her husband is always going to be there for her and not change his mind after he's tired of her doing it or his friends find out and he heads to the divorce court.

I started doing it with Black guys when our youngest was three and we have had a happy marriage and brought up our family at the same time as I was cuckolding my husband. He was happy for me to be doing it with Black guys and if occasionally one of them wanted to show off to him it was no problem because I loved him to see how much I was enjoying it just as much as he loved to see the guys Black cock fucking into me. It was what he'd always fantasized about and he was happy for the guy to know that he'd not fucked me since I started doing it with Black guy and that he'd be thinking of him doing it when he went to the bathroom to masturbate.

As I understand it my friends husbands have rarely bothered about having sex with them since they'd had all the kids they each wanted so there not having sex with their wife again is not likely to be an issue and of course they would no longer need to hide the fact that they masturbate instead of doing it with her.

Unfortunately the real issue is that my friends do not have confidence in their husbands - they are worried that they will change their mind after they have done it and that instead of enhancing their marriage it will bring them into conflict.

I can't say that I gave it much thought when I decided it was time to cuckold my husband, it was something he'd always told me that he wanted and after we had the kids seemed to be the right thing to do.

I guess it could have gone badly for us but thankfully it has perfect for us and now that I am in my mid fifties it is so flattering to have young Black guys come on to me and to be seen with them in public by my friends. Our kids are 22 & 26 now and it is not an issue that most of the Black guys I date are younger than them, they both think they have a cool mom. Also what a young guy lacks in technique I can teach him the important thing for me is that they all have so much energy.
 
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KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
Not quite - since it became common knowledge that I was cuckolding my husband, several [of my woman friends] have been pestered [by their husbands] to let their husbands watch them doing it with a black guy. So, it is something their husbands fantasize about, presumably while masturbating.

Ah... I see. Thanks for the clarification, Ms. KarenMWSlut4Blacks.

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
BUT, it is a different thing to actually do it, and that is where there is a lack of trust. It never bothers me to know that I'm referred to as a black cock slut when my husbands friends tease him...
During a recent heavily-attended talk here in my town, Gloria Steinem said she always tries to refer to people in the way they(s) want to be referred to. Since you accept that you are a "black cock slut" and like being labelled as such, that very positive in the sense that it effectively insulates you from attempts by others to insult you in that way...

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
...and, it is no surprise for me to find out that their wives are wary when these same guys pester them to do it with black men too.

Presumably, your woman friends are not equally accepting of being called "black cock sluts" by others...

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
If a wife and mother (in one case grandmother) is going to do it with other men [say, black men], she needs to be sure her husband is always going to be there for her, and not change his mind if he gets tired of that, or if his friends find out and start giving him a hard time, which [if he's sensitive to that,] may result in him heading for divorce court.

Yes, I agree. Also, quite a few women who are encouraged by their husbands to become hot wives are reluctant, it seems, because they suspect their husbands are secretly planning to use that as an excuse to start pursuing and fucking other women, thus destroying their marriage... which, of course, they don't want.

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
I started doing it with black guys when our youngest was three. We had a happy marriage, and brought up our family at the same time I was cuckolding my husband.

It seems positive for children to be raised knowing it's proper and appropriate for a married woman to enjoy the pleasures of a variety of lovers, black or otherwise, while her husband remains faithful as her cuckold, and plays a strong role in cooking, other housework, and raising her children, so she will have sufficient time and energy to date, seduce, and fuck her lovers — all as demonstrated by the behavior of their parents.

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
He was happy for me to be doing it with black guys, and if occasionally one of them wanted to show off [by fucking me in front of my husband,] it was no problem, because I loved for my cuckold to see how much I was enjoying it, just as much as he loved to see a black lover satisfying me.

All good. Thanks for expanding on your strongly-sexual style of marriage, and the nature of how your friends and relatives respond to that...
 
Custer Laststand said:
It seems positive for children to be raised knowing it's proper and appropriate for a married woman to enjoy the pleasures of a variety of lovers, black or otherwise, while her husband remains faithful as her cuckold, and plays a strong role in cooking, other housework, and raising her children, so she will have sufficient time and energy to date, seduce, and fuck her lovers — all as demonstrated by the behavior of their parents.
I didn't bring guys home until a few years ago and they were in their late teens by then. Up until then I would meet guys who came here on business trips at their hotel and stay over or if I went clubbing and the guy did not have a place it had to be the restroom or car park.

After we'd told them and all of our relatives and friends everything was more relaxed and everyone soon got used to seeing me with Black guys and knew that I would take them home with me. The kids thought it was funny when they realised their Dad used to spend the night in the spare room if I brought a friend home and occasionally tease me about being noisy during the night.

Once it was common knowledge their friends would occasionally tease them about their Dad not being up to it and my doing it with Black guys instead but they just asked them if there was a problem with that and thy soon stopped wasting their breath.

My daughter is 26 now and still lives at home her only issue is that her Dad spends so much time in the bathroom masturbating and tells him that he always seems to be jerking when she wants to use it.

As far as I'm concerned they both think that I'm a cool mom and our daughter thinks it would be great if she could also find an older husband who would agree to let her cuckold him when she's had their kids.
 
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Saraha said:
The Best Man was susposed to be the Reserve to step in after three years if hubby proved to be infertile.

Three years...? Or, the day of the wedding, soon after the ceremony, with the new bride still wearing her wedding gown, if it turned out she found him attractive...?
 
An understanding between a husband and wife that it is ok for her to date other men is up to the two of them. Since they both know what is happening it is not cheating. Chris has a steady boyfriend she goes to casinos with, often over night. It is interesting to see the looks I get if I ever go to one with her from the staff that know what is going on.

Mike
 
Well, than do not forget "the ethical slut" by Easton & Listz
 
Hi Ms. Karen,

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
I didn't bring guys home until a few years ago and they were in their late teens by then. Up until then I would meet guys who came here on business trips at their hotel and stay over or if I went clubbing and the guy did not have a place it had to be the restroom or car park.

I'll hafta' say that meeting your lovers in restrooms and car parks sounds rather... well... teenager-like. Bringing them home to fuck them, even at times when your husband is home, sounds greatly preferable...

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
The kids thought it was funny when they realised their Dad used to spend the night in our spare room if I brought a friend home; occasionally they would tease me about being noisy during the night.

Well, children need to grow up with an appreciation that their mother fully sexual, not some sort of "virgin-Mary-like" woman. It sounds like you've properly educated them...

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
Once it was common knowledge, [my children's] friends would occasionally tease them about their dad not being up to it and me doing it with black guys instead. But, [my children] just asked them if there was a problem with that, and thy soon stopped wasting their breath.

That was an excellent response. In that way, your children educated their friends about their mother (you) — and, by implication, women in a broad sense — having strong sexual needs, and in that way brought them to acceptance of that concept... or so it seems.

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
My daughter is 26 now, and still lives at home. Her only issue is, her dad spends so much time in the bathroom masturbating. She tells him that he always seems to be jerking when she wants to use it.

Hm... it sounds like your cuckold's masturbation habit has gotten out of hand. You might consider letting him know sweetly... in a suitable setting... that because of your daughter's complaints about his excessive use of your bathroom, you've decided to take ownership of his penis. When he protests that you're the only woman he has, respond with something like: "No, sweetie-buns, I mean I'm going to take exclusive ownership of your penis. You're going to wear a cock cage for me, and I'm going to become your sole key holder. Soon, you will masturbate only with my permission. If you displease me, you may find my permission will be infrequent."

Before doing this, however, I suggest considering the possibilities and perhaps even going ahead and ordering a cock cage for your cuckold without his knowledge or permission. See, for instance:

Wife led husband in chastity device (reviews & pics of different devices):
http://secretchastityhusband.blogsp...-devices-queens-keep.html?zx=71d5497f1d0576c5

Or, if you google "chastity devices for men" (without quotes), you'll see there are quite a few alternatives out there. They seem to be becoming gradually more popular among married women and women in LTR's.

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
As far as I'm concerned, [my now-adult children] both think I'm a cool mom. Our daughter thinks it would be great if she could also find an older husband who would agree to let her cuckold him when she's had their kids.

Well, as I said, it sounds like you've raised your now-adult-children with the right attitudes toward women vis-a-vis their husbands and LTR partners. When you put your cuckold in his cock cage... if you choose to pursue this course of action — and, I mean, why not? If you're hesitant, you could view it as an experiment "for science"... then, he will almost certainly come to realize he needs to obey and please your daughter, as well as you, since displeasing your daughter will translate into displeasure on your part (hence, longer lockup times for him).

Ergo, this should enable your daughter to become accustomed to being the secondary head of your household (you being, of course, the primary HoH). This, in turn, should enable your daughter to feel more at ease and comfortable with becoming her husband's cuckoldress after she marries. I suspect you would find the results positive in an all-around sense.

Re. your daughter not yet having found a suitable cuckold-to-be among the local marriage possibilities: you might suggest she begin advertising online in a suitable forum, stating exactly what she's looking for. If she does this, I suspect she will find there are a lot of men out there who are not only willing, but want to become her cuckold husband. And, there will be no need for her to defer her pursuit of other men as lovers until after she has had their children.

Your daughter will, however, have to establish careful screening mechanisms — something best done, most likely, with your assistance.

— Custer
 
Hi Ms. Karen,

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
I didn't bring guys home until a few years ago, and they were in their late teens by then. Up until then I would meet guys who came here on business trips at their hotel, and stay over. Or, if I went clubbing and the guy did not have a place, it had to be the restroom or car park.

I'll hafta' say that meeting your lovers-for-the-night in restrooms and car parks sounds rather... well... teenage-like. Bringing them home to fuck them, even (or especially) at times when your husband is home, sounds greatly preferable...

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
The kids thought it was funny when they realised their Dad used to spend the night in our spare room if I brought a friend home. Occasionally they would tease me about being noisy during the night.

Well, children need to grow up with an appreciation that their mother is fully sexual, not some sort of "virgin-Mary-like" woman. So, it sounds like you've properly educated them re. the birds and the bees.

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
Once it was common knowledge, [my children's] friends would occasionally tease them about their dad not being up to it and me doing it with black guys instead. But, [my children] just asked them if there was a problem with that, and thy soon stopped wasting their breath.

That was an excellent response. In that way, your children educated their friends about their mother (you) — and, by implication, women in a broad sense — having strong sexual needs, and in that way brought their friends to acceptance of that concept... or so it seems.

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
My daughter is 26 now, and still lives at home. Her only issue is, her dad spends so much time in the bathroom masturbating. She tells him that he always seems to be jerking when she wants to use it.

Hm... obviously, your cuckold's masturbation habit has gotten out of hand. You might consider letting him know, sweetly and seductively and in a suitable setting, that because of your daughter's complaints about his excessive use of your bathroom, and because you aren't pleased (pretend to be displeased) about him masturbating whenever he feels like it, without your permission, you've decided to take ownership of his penis.

When he protests that you're his only woman, I suggest responding with something like: "No, sweetie-buns, I mean I'm going to take exclusive ownership of your penis. You're going to wear a cock cage for me, and I'm going to become your sole key holder. Soon, you will be playing with your weenie only when I give you permission to do so. And, if you continue to displease our daughter and me, you may find my permission will be infrequent."

Before doing this, however... and in order to follow through in a timely fashion... I suggest considering the possibilities in advance, and perhaps even going ahead and ordering a cock cage for your cuckold without his knowledge. See, for instance:

Wife led husband in chastity device (reviews & pics of different devices):
http://secretchastityhusband.blogsp...-devices-queens-keep.html?zx=71d5497f1d0576c5

Or, if you google "chastity devices for men" (without quotes), you'll see there are quite a few alternatives. They seem to be becoming gradually more popular among married women and women in LTR's.

KarenMWSlut4Blacks said:
As far as I'm concerned, [my now-adult children] both think I'm a cool mom. Our daughter thinks it would be great if she could also find an older husband who would agree to let her cuckold him when she's had their kids.

Well, as I said, it sounds like you've raised your children with the right attitudes toward women vis-a-vis their husbands and LTR partners. When you put your cuckold in his cock cage... if you choose to pursue this course of action — and, I mean, why not? If you're hesitant, you could view it as an experiment "for science"... then, he will almost certainly come to realize he needs to obey and please your daughter, as well as you, since displeasing your daughter will translate into displeasing you (hence, longer lockup times for him).

Ergo, this should enable your daughter to become accustomed to being the secondary head of your household (you being, of course, the primary HoH). This, in turn, should enable her to feel more at ease and comfortable with becoming her husband's cuckoldress after she marries. The results, I suspect, would be positive in an all-around sense.

Re. your daughter not yet having found a suitable cuckold-to-be among the local marriage candidates: you might suggest she begin advertising online in a suitable forum, stating exactly what she's looking for. If she does this, I suspect she will find there are a lot of men out there who are not only willing but want to become her cuckold husband. And, there will be no need for her to defer her pursuit of other men as lovers until after she has had their children.

Your daughter will, however, need to establish careful screening mechanisms — something best done, most likely, with your assistance.

— Custer
 
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Hi Ms. Karen,

I see my previous post is inadvertently posted twice. Sometimes that happens when one hits "post," but one's comments don't post. If one hits "post" again, they end up posting twice, after a time delay. Why this happens is among the forum mysteries.

Anyway, sorry about that. I really wasn't trying to "doubly emphasize" my comments.

Regarding my suggestion that... in principle... you could solve the problem of your cuckold tying up your daughter's and your bathroom excessively by using it for excessive masturbation, by seducing him into wearing a male chastity device for you, with you his sole key holder:

It occurs to me you may be thinking something like: "why doesn't he [Custer] mind his own business, anyway...? I want to maintain a marriage that appears 'normal' in all respects, except that I want my cuckold to accept that I fuck young black men with large cocks. And, I've attained that, thank you anyway, Custer..."

If so, I suggest considering you're already well beyond having a "normal marriage," what with having informed your and your cuckold's relatives and friends that that's what you do, and having found all of them accept that, which is very impressive. You're a bold woman, Ms. Karen....

And, if so, I also suggest that if you forge ahead with my suggestion, you may find that will actually improve your marriage, for the (probably implausible-sounding) reason that your cuckold secretly wants you to take control of his penis and his masturbation habit. That is, I suggest that seducing him... after some initial protests, no doubt... into submitting to wearing a penis cage for you will cause him to feel closer to you, and you to him, because secretly he wants to be required to meet with your approval before you unlock his cage and allow him to masturbate (when it pleases you), thereby demonstrating your authority, which he secretly wants to submit to — but, of course, it would be "unmanly" to admit that, so he hasn't.

I mean, hey... why not give it a try? If it works out badly after some suitable time period (probably at least a month), you can always abandon the experiment...

— Custer